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Post by sammy on May 9, 2007 21:34:13 GMT -5
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Post by ppy18 on May 9, 2007 22:27:14 GMT -5
yep. there is an article somewhere on that site about morgellons and another that notifies people that the rense.com web site is down.i wrote a post to the author of the morgellons article but she never responded.
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Post by skytroll on May 9, 2007 22:38:46 GMT -5
Lymernick,
from your link:..." stealth-adapted viruses contain numerous needle-shaped crystals composed of lipids"...maybe = Baculovirus, and the other viruses involved in Bacteriophages that make up Sleeping Beauty or the Piggy Bac..." damage to human connective tissue cells: clusters of foamy vacuolated cells commonly became heavily pigmented with pigmented material coalescing into solid particles, flat ribbons, and long thin threads. "Vacuolated cells - could be the coccoid part, a vacuole is created to tranfect or transform the DNA Solid particles - could be calcium, dead cells(Apoptosis) Flat ribbons and long thin threads - could be DNA itself or protein, flagella, prions unfolding proteins or microtubules...."formation of numerous needle-shaped crystals that formed over several days on an agar plate around a particle retrieved from a patient."...needle-shaped crystals = maybe from BT or BC, silica crystals? carbon? particle - gold particles, aluminum, silver, atom?
...."auto-fluorescent fibers embedded in skin flakes from patients such as those presented at www.morgellons.org"......
autofluroescent fibers: synthetic RFID DNA, or auto flourescent DNA from Jelly fish? flakes = dead cells (apoptosis)
..."skin-derived structures that showed rapid jerky movements of the particles and slow coiling and uncoiling of colored fibers. ..."
skin-derived structures = synthetic skin? movements of particles = electromagnetic fields? by flagella? prions? or Sup 35 S. Cereviseae amyloid prion fibrils, used for insulating nanowires? as conductors in us? Slow coiling and uncoiling of fibers - artificial stem cells? Synthetic DNA, real DNA unfolding?..." bacterial replication of stealth-adapted viruses and bacterial production of ACE pigments. Martin cautioned that viteria infected bacteria pose an important public health issue and may lead to wider spread of stealth-adapted viruses."....Bacterial Replication of stealth-adapted viruses - Baculovirus and Bacteriophages Stealth adapted viruses: = viruses signalling each other to attack certain bacterias? Viteria - virus and bacteria together[/b
Viruses quorum sensing as bacteria does, but viruses open DNA up.
Lymernick, this is excellent, looking at this again, have seen before as have others and are on the Martin protocol, .......but the mention of the CMV puts this right in with the Baculovirus, THe Baculovirus is the initiating brick in the construction of these many varied shapes, self assembling, replicating DNA. Seems this fits right into the link of these constructions. This is building, it brick by brick, and we are uncovering it brick by brick. I think Martin could be onto something about humans and living organisms going from carbon-based, to hydrogen-based. However, it is causing a disruption in the amino acids in humans, and is opening up proteins (DNA) and replacing them. I think......
We need to understand Promoters, Transvectors, Receptors. Coreactors come in there too. But, within the G-protein coupled receptors, is where possibly our DNA breaks down and is replaced. Our real DNA dies, while the new synthetic DNA brought to us by viral bacteriophages, and or the DNA from the viruses and bacteria set the stage initiated by the transfected insects which become the tranvectors. There is an insect connect here, and many drosophilia were infected purposely to change future generations of insects. Not just this fly but many others.
See links at Coz's sites, Lymernick, Hope I am making sense.
But, I do think Dr. Martin has one aspect of this. What gives us energy? Proteins. If altered or proteins carried by viruses and instigated by a supply of bacterias and latent viruses inside humans, like polio or the SV40 which was in polio years ago, and is activated by a bacteriophage carrying virus for a specific purpose, then a reaction will occur. This reaction could be our genes breaking down, and being replaced. Not sure, but, this stem cell business of viral dissemination in insects has a lot to do with it.
More later, but, thanks for putting that up again, I am looking at it new again. After researching so much and trying to understand the DNA part of it, I am beginning to understand.
Skytroll
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Post by skytroll on May 9, 2007 22:50:16 GMT -5
PPY18,
What is up with that?
I could not get the Mike Castle interview either.
skytroll
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Post by ppy18 on May 10, 2007 2:09:17 GMT -5
not sure about what is going on at that site. some interesting articles but the one on morgellons was poorly researched and written. i sent a PM to the author asking her to please investigate a subject before writing an article so she could at least state factual information instead of innuendo and personal opinions. no response, big surprise.
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Post by skytroll on May 10, 2007 2:19:35 GMT -5
That site sure does seem to be going in all directions, but, then they do not take sides there, he just reports, but, I agree some of the reports are speculation with no sound evidence.
Skytroll
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Post by liatris on May 10, 2007 4:11:36 GMT -5
I am not sure what site you guys are referring to .... ?
Skytroll - when you mentioned Martin's protocol - are you referring to his theory or a treatment protocol ?
Thanks,
Liatris
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Post by liatris on May 10, 2007 5:25:10 GMT -5
Ok - After reading more, I see that Martin does have a treatment protocol. Has anyone here tried it ?
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Post by freaky on May 10, 2007 6:07:38 GMT -5
skytroll,
My leg at the hip area keeps getting stuck, I have a sharp pain, & I'm forced to limp until it goes away. I'm guessing this is due to damage of the connective tissue cells. I had a bone scan, & my bone had increased in size. My dr. was excited, & I thought, the cells have gotten heavier, & thicker. I think this could be caused by the foamy vacuolated cells. This has been going on for a year, but I haven't been freaked out until recently, as I'm fearful of loosing my ability to walk. I'm thinking the connective tissue is being destroyed, hence, only bone will be left. I'm not sure if that is correctable, or not. Do you think this is a correct assumption? Do you know what kind of test I could take to find out? They have no idea, at this point, as to h how they would repair damaged tissue, do they? I don't do barium. Nevertheless, if there is no cure, why take a test to find out if my assumption is correct? Do you possibly have any thoughts you could expound on this issue? Anyone else? I don't want to become a crip. I like to dance too much. Appreciate any reply. Thanks, freaky freaked.xo
Does Dr. Martin see patients, or does he just do reserch? Where does he live? I believe he's right on the money.
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Post by liatris on May 10, 2007 8:00:25 GMT -5
Freaky - I don't know if this would be any or all of an answer, but I have had serious hip pain and lack of mobility and when I started taking enough fish oil, it became normal. The only way to get enough antiinflammatory prostaglandins is by taking fish oil - but if it does not state on the bottle that it is free of toxic heavy metals like mercury, then it is too dangerous to take. If you get right kind, it is not cheap and you would need about 2 Tablespoons a day. If is necessary for the heart, the brain - just to name a couple. Also, for connective tissue in general - vit C (dose up to diarrhea tolerance - if you get "D" you back off to where you do not - you add it slowly day by day so you decrease risk of "D")
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Post by beckybailey on May 10, 2007 15:41:44 GMT -5
I understand he is researching various protocols, and is looking for volunteers. See the bottom of the page at this link: tinyurl.com/2wz44wI wrote and asked him if this product would possibly be a remedy, but never heard from him. I just got my order for 2 bottles yesterday. www.scdworld.com/shop/product.cfm?product_id=010103"These brews contain large amounts of various pigmented antioxidant, reducing, energy-donating nutrients (such as carotenoids, anthocyanins, flavonoids, and polyphenols) which are very similar to the pigmented antioxidant energy-donating nutrients called ACE-pigments (alternative cellular energy pigments) found in the body which are produced by cells in the body when their mitochondria (the energy factory for the cell) have been damaged by illness; scientists have speculated in articles in journals that these antioxidant, energy-donating pigments, which they call ACE-pigments, function as alternative sources of cellular energy to help support the damaged cells and take over for their mitochondria. Some of these scientists have named such natural substances "Energy Remedies" and "Energy Medicine". "
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Post by skytroll on May 10, 2007 23:47:54 GMT -5
Increase in calcium cause the extra bone growth, I do not take any kind of calcium. Women have been told over and over to take calcium, well, too much is just as bad as not enough.
This is not Osteoporosis, More like Bone growth, it thickens. You are right. However, I do wonder if MSM will help, I have some, and am thinking of taking it again. My hips either give out, or they lock up as do my knees. But, if we can strengthen the joints which MSM does, that may help us.
Vitamin C can make calcium stones in kidneys too, from what my doc says, so says to watch intake of that. Vitamins A, not every day though, Vit E and Vit D and magnesium can help.
Those antioxidants are supposed to work also.
Fish oil is in Vitamin A, also good is Omega-3. But do not take too much Vitamin A, can effect the heart.
Calcium is so involved with what we have. It could be this disease or the enzymes or altered proteins from the gm foods is following the calcium channels in us.
If proteins are altered in foods and animals we eat, our digestive systems will react. That seems to be what is happening. We either are not processing the protein, or the protein is altering what we do have, and causing more of the wrong proteins, and calcium to multiplied rather than normal dosages By altering any proteins, or enzymes in food, it has to effect our levels and that would most likely be in the digestive track, the liver, the bones, the muscles, connective tissue, cartilage could be hardening. Also, I do so believe that fibrosis is involved.
Skytroll
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Post by freaky on May 11, 2007 3:40:33 GMT -5
Thanks for the information. freaky xo
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Post by junebook on May 11, 2007 22:38:46 GMT -5
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Post by liatris on May 12, 2007 3:11:39 GMT -5
Skytroll - I wanted to comment on some of your statements.
Regarding "fish oil in vita A" - there is very little fish oil in Vit A - that is not the way to get it. Also, not all fish oil is high in Omega 3 and it is unlikely that the kind in vit A is low/free of mercury and other toxic heavy metals. The bottle of fish oil has to state that it is free of them for that to be the case. If it does not state it - it is dangerous and should not be consumed.
Regarding getting kidney stones from Vit.C - most people are chronically deficient in C and really could do with taking it. The RDA is absurd. Linus Pauling wanted to determine what a adequate amount of C would be for humans so he followed primates in the wild and analyzed the amounts of C in the food they ate in one day (leaves, etc) and found that they averaged 19 grams. That is 19,000 mgs. Our diets do not come even remotely close. We should follow the apes around and eat what they eat. Anyway, if your doctor is like most, he probably thinks two measley grams a day would be scary-too-much. If you don't get enough magnesium that can predispose a person to getting kidney stones when taking large amounts of C.
Fats, carbs give energy - not just proteins.
Calcium from pasturized dairy causes calcium to deposit where it should not (lining of the arteries, in the muslces) and it prevents it from going to the teeth and bones. Unpasturized dairy deposits properly.
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