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Post by prevenge on May 20, 2007 1:39:17 GMT -5
just askin a simple question...
IF..
they recognize this.. and study the phenomenon occuring.. the ACTUAL SCIENCE BEHIND WHAT'S HAPPENING...
and find therapy for us.. to eventually cure us...
are you going to say "yeah yeah i'll do anything you want just help me.. thanks!" and be all greateful and forget the torture you endured, having your children taken from you, loosing jobs, income... loosing family and friends, etc... loosing your "life"... being condescended upon, ridiculed.. called crazy.. locked up...
are you going to peruse any reprimands for that?
-M
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Post by friskers on May 20, 2007 2:35:37 GMT -5
I hold no grudges towards any of the doctors ive seen. Yes they are forgiven. Forgiveness is a very important spiritual lesson. When you hang on to grudges you really hurt yourself. But i cant vote yes the way its worded! i didnt deserve torture and ridicule! And thats not how I was treated anyway.
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Post by bugsy on May 20, 2007 7:39:31 GMT -5
I guess it would depend on duration of suffering before an ultimate cure is found. One doc..did his darnest to help me but couldn't (forgiven) One derm doc was smug and an a$$ (not forgiven) One immediate care doc who gave me a DOP...(Definitely not forgiven)
But I guess friski is right...Sometimes when we forgive...the prisoner we set free is ourselves. You can forgive but you do NOT have to forget.
~Bugsy
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Post by skytroll on May 20, 2007 7:58:45 GMT -5
Sure will, especially if they jump on the bandwagon, to join those who are concerned about this and want to fulfill their oath of medical healing.
Skytroll
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Post by jj on May 20, 2007 9:20:11 GMT -5
IF.. they recognize this.. and study the phenomenon occuring.. the ACTUAL SCIENCE BEHIND WHAT'S HAPPENING... and find therapy for us.. to eventually cure us... Pre, Can't address the poll options as written either. "IF.. they recognize this.. and study the phenomenon occuring.. the ACTUAL SCIENCE BEHIND WHAT'S HAPPENING..." ... I think the "they" in this question is key here. Scientists/researchers in particular applicable specialties hold the cards of discovery here. That process (unfortunately) is a long drawn out one. To hold drs of today in our broken medical system solely responcible for our mistreatment isn't plausible (for lack of a better word). They need the guidelines, literature, and science readily at their exposure in order to effectively treat. ..... Maybe I am one of the few lucky ones who wasn't ridiculed or mistreated. ... First doc I saw was in a neiborhood clinic. I was # 65 on his list of patients for that day. He declared I was having an allergic reaction to somethig based on the temp (to touch) of my skin and wanted to give me a shot. I said no way and questioned why he did not consider more thurough testing. I got an "how dare YOU question me in front of my collegues" responce. Well .... his collegues pulled me aside and apologised and refered me elsewhere (I chose not to use that referal). For me to think I would get appropriate care there was my mistake and mine alone. No matter how upsetting the exerience was I forgave and moved on. Doc #2 & 3 was the same derm looking for visible signs of lice or scabies per my request. None found. Diagnosis of folliculosis with no testing for cause just suggestions for skin care. Moved on elsewhere. #4 was an Internal Medicine/GP. Excellent bedside manner, intently listened and did all bloodwork and testing. Perscribed sleepaid and low dose anxiety med at my request so "I could cope". Reffered me to derm collegue who gave a thurough body skin (visual) examination. Derm told GP I don't think we can help her. GP stated (heard him on the phone)"If we don't try to help her no one will". There were back and forth appointments between the two untill the GP stated; "I have exhausted all my capabilites and don't know what else to do. I believe you and agree there is something unrecognisable as well as physical going on. Continue with your research and let me know what you find and I will do whatever I can to treat you." This Doctor I respect and hold in high regard. I believe he did all he could. .... Sorry to ramble with personal experience but from my vantage point I hold none of these drs liable. They didn't have the tools to do the job. Maybe the first one 'someone' would be successful with a case against him because his attempted (rope em up heard em out) caseload no human being could accomplish attiquit care. .... AFTER the science it's a whole nother story ... JJ
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Post by godog on May 20, 2007 9:35:58 GMT -5
I just don't respect them, I don't know about forgiveness. Sure I guess I forgive them their inertica, their ignorance and their attitudes. But I have no respect for the medical community as I know it. When have they cured anything? They're dope pushers for sure. They just want to treat little common things and make big bucks. Even the so called enlightened docs can't cure and charge megabucks. I don't even entertain the idea of trying to come up with the kind of money it takes to see a lyme-savvy doctor. As I have said before, May the pox of a thousands hores fly up their shorts.
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Post by godog on May 20, 2007 9:36:33 GMT -5
Inertia, not inertica.
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Post by Administration on May 20, 2007 10:19:53 GMT -5
Keeping in mind that there are good and bad in every profession, I guess I have never really blamed the general doctors for not being able to help us. If their intentions were to research instead of treat they would have gone into more specific fields. They cannot treat with knowledge that isn't supplied to them. Could some of them be more compassionate toward us? You bet (as with all of mankind), but keep in mind that with those big paychecks come huge risks, outrageous insurance premiums, and foolish/frivolous lawsuits that are responsible for their fees being so high.
I'm with Friski, forgiveness is a spiritual release meant for us and our own peace of mind, not for the people who would anger us. We can let our frustration guide us to move those mountains in our paths but holding grudges only hinders us from inner contentment.
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Post by godog on May 20, 2007 10:48:58 GMT -5
Yes, I could have a more generous attitude towards them. But, honestly, they have done nothing for me except take my money. That is my experience with them. Some had a sympathetic ear, but really didn't even take more than a passing interest. I truly believed they would help or try. They didn't help me one iota. How can I praise them? Yes, I forgive them for being incompetent. So when I go to a doctor I can afford, I will have to convince them I have an illness they say they have never heard of, and then try to "educate" them somewhat and hope they have an open mind and then pay them. I am sorry, but I am not impressed with that scenario.
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Post by reasonable on May 20, 2007 11:17:40 GMT -5
I agree with both Godog and Friski. I have no respect for the med community at large, not the kind they aspire to here in the West. I've seen real docs in countries where they are not paid megabucks just for the title. There people become doctors, because they follow their heart in wanting to heal, not to make $$$ or have prestige.
Keeping grudges and blaming others robs us of our power to help ourselves and to forgive ourselves for our own mistakes, both of which are needed to heal.
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Post by microdot on May 20, 2007 11:21:04 GMT -5
Dear JJ, Thanks for sharing your experiences with your doctors. I too have been fortunate to have a good percentage of doctors treat me as best as they were able to. The question remains though, with no one really acknowledging, WHY ARE THESE “POOR, HELPLESS, JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO HELP YOU” DOCTORS NOT REPORTING THIS AS PROTOCOL REQUIRES THEM TO? Can you really forgive that failure? This is a very big part of why we have not gotten further with this. They are supposed to report strange and unusual symptoms to the CDC and are failing to do this. Forgive all you want but it will not cure or even help our children recover from this. Prevenge, I will take the cure and then think about not suing the ones who caused damage just so I can get on with my life and put this behind me for the sake of my family. Class action for failure of the CDC? In a heart beat you bet! Can’t wait for it actually! microdot
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Post by toni on May 20, 2007 11:35:29 GMT -5
Microdot,
Good point. Can't blame doctors for not being researchers as Admin said...that's a fact. They only "practice" what they know, and that IS what a good doc should do.
Bedside manner, that is a very much based on the individual's personality. I've met doc's I'd NEVER go back to waaaay before Morgellons because I didn't care at all for their "personalities".
But as you said Microdot - they SHOULD be reporting symptoms they've been hearing us all complain about, I definately agree.
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Post by godog on May 20, 2007 11:53:14 GMT -5
There is one of the members here that, If I remember correctly, sold her home to afford a lyme-savvy doctor here in my area. I find that disturbing.
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Post by Administration on May 20, 2007 12:48:09 GMT -5
How can we equate unlearned with incompetency? The next time your child breaks a leg or acquires pneumonia, or when a loved one needs an organ transplant to save their life, don't tell me you won't take them directly to a doctor. They do what they can and some do it better than others, but everyone is basing their opinions mostly on ignorance of a disease that nobody will recognize. Taking into account the number of doctors in this country alone and the fact that not too many of us have seen the same ones, how do we know those who have seen multiple cases of Morgellons haven't reported it? We are assuming way too much here and we can blame all we want but it still won't solve the problem. The entire country needs to be educated and I think we've all given that a pretty good start, it's just going to take persistence on our parts.
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Post by Carrie♥ on May 20, 2007 13:05:21 GMT -5
I hold no grudges towards any of the doctors ive seen. Yes they are forgiven. Forgiveness is a very important spiritual lesson. When you hang on to grudges you really hurt yourself. But i cant vote yes the way its worded! i didnt deserve torture and ridicule! And thats not how I was treated anyway. [/color][/quote]Thank you Friski...I think that is why I so love you. They didn't have to belittle their fellow species because of what they do not know but they did, whatever, it will just make us sicker to hold the grudge. I still don't like or trust the majority of them much especially the ones that snickered...one day they will know and we will be smiling pretty waiting for their puckers for our "red eyes" right Tonisue!?! Now help me convince Boyfriend would you...damn talk about anger and hatred issues for Doctors...oooh ouch.
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Post by godog on May 20, 2007 13:10:57 GMT -5
Yes, they are good at some types of medicine. Emergency treatment. Yes. And the ambulance drivers, them too. The question was, am I going to forgive them. I wish I had some glowing stories about them to relate. Bottom line, I forgive them, but I do not respect the medical community. I have lost faith in them. And yes, I go to them when I have to. Because they are able to get me drugs I can't get on my own. I haven't been to a doctor in almost two years. That's how much I like them. I get sick, I get better. Without them.
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Post by toni on May 20, 2007 13:30:37 GMT -5
Believe me, I could think I hate them all too...really I could, and all of the med community. Which I actually did for awhile - I wanted to blame someone for this, or actually blame them, the doctors for not fixing me...especially after the torture I've lived as you all have too with Morgellons, and spending so much money it's unreal...really it is, and to STILL have my contamination/infection....yes.
But...if you think about it...in another perspective, "maybe" then it helps put reality of their capacity back to light. And I'm only saying this, cause it helped me, so (maybe) it can help you. I realized that "I" am the one going to the wrong doctors...saw it time and time again, over and over, going to other states, seeing every doc I could...to no avail. Well..I opened my eyes...it's not them, it's me...wrong kind of doctors. We need scientists...and we can find them easily on the internet. Some are very compassionate and WILL look at your specimens. All one needs to do is send them out, and not stop trying. And just because one or 10 don't know...doesn't mean they all don't. Still means we're sending specimens to the wrong person. They are out there, and I believe it behooves us to reach out to them, or the media or both, than to "wait" for them to learn about us.
Say for instance you needed a heart transplant. A dermatologist "if that's who you went to"....really couldn't do a thing. Not his field of expertise. No matter if we were out in the middle of an island, and a derm was the only "doctor" available, and we were dying...the dermatologist "still" cannot do a thing.
He doesn't have the first clue what to do. It is "us" then in a bad situation, needing a 'heart doc" and not one is around. So we can't blame the derm doc for not saving the life or knowing what to do...he can't just "know" how to fix that.
That's totally how I see this, us and Morgellons and doctors.
They haven't the slightest inclination of what this even is. None..
And it is CDC who must "give instructions" to them for any kind of a protocol.
And it is us all that needs to contact the news to ask what is happening with CDC and Morgellons. I'm sure they're looking into it, because this is very wide spread, but....they don't have to say anything because that's the way it is...BUT if we keep 'pushing' to hear something "through the media" then I believe they WILL speak up and say something...cause I know not hearing a peep is devastating and wondering ( If ) they are even there is just as bad as suffereing.
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Post by godog on May 20, 2007 13:57:02 GMT -5
Seems like if all the doctors and maybe medical examiners who surely must be seeing something, leaned on the CDC, it would have more meaning or clout or somehting.
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Post by See Jane Crawl on May 20, 2007 13:58:01 GMT -5
I will forgive them their ignorance but not their cruelty toward our suffering!
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Post by randyfocht on May 20, 2007 14:10:05 GMT -5
First of all, Thank you from the bottom of our hearts to the humble doctors that have tried their best, given their time, their money, and risking their profession and health to try and help us.
As to the subject of the other doctors: This is NOT a mistake on the Doctors part. Mistakes I can and do forgive.
However, for many of them (thank God, not all) , it is their egotistical, narrowmindedness, rudeness, and condesention which I cannot forgive. They will continue to look at the sun in all it's brightness, and continue to deny it's existence. Truth? They are blind to truth.
Doctors are paid to try to help and heal the sick, knowing that in some circumstances, trying is the best that they can do. They took our money and did not even try to help us. Those Doctors are the worst of imposters. Their behaviour is condemed and they should be removed from their profession dishonorably like the way they discarded us.
The question is not if I will forgive them, but whether God will forgive them.
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