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Post by jj on Aug 8, 2005 10:50:00 GMT -5
Years ago I came to the conclusion that what we are suffering from might be the result of a genetically modified organisim in our environment. Biopesticides would top my list. I strongly feel that whatever regulations are in place for GMO's they could not possibly protect the environment or human health to the extent it is needed. Regulation (EC) no 1829/2003 & 1830/2003 are in place for the traceability and labeling of GMO's. There is supposed to be a "Full traceability Database." Once a product is pulled from the market for whatever reason (mainly human health risk), does it remain in this database for tracability? ................ My #1 question would be; can these GMO's even be identifed when doing DNA analisis for health concerns? My gut feeling would be; NO. ............. DNA analisis has been brought up several times here and elsewhere with people wondering "what could possibly be the hold up or why is it so difficult". My feeling is that this organisim (the culpret) truely is unidentifiable. The only things that could show up are organisims that are known to inhabit the human body. Which brings me to the question; WHY? ............... Still hangin, JJ
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Post by Orion*** on Aug 8, 2005 22:33:19 GMT -5
For one thing, Monsanto was experimenting with a way to grow artificial cotton via genetically altered bacteria etc. The red fibers and ocasional green are biomarkers.This failed so--did they dump it into the environment? It has also experimented and sold a means of insect control via the Bt-thurungas bacteria, used primarily with corn and COTTON. This bacteria has a symbiotic relationship with a nematode. Go figure? It invades the insect and eats it up inside producing a fiber or caccon. I used it on my lawn a few years back to control the Japanese beatel or grub worm. It did a fabules job.
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Post by bugged1 on Aug 9, 2005 0:08:11 GMT -5
You all want a bone???
I suggest you read, and re-read Orion's post very carefully. There is a class action lawsuit to be had in there somewhere and the answer to the cause of all your problems.
Chem G back in BLACK and ready to take ALL YO FLACK so SEND IT!
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Post by rickndebby on Aug 9, 2005 0:21:11 GMT -5
Hey Chem, I mentioned in an earlier reply that this just may be the road for us....If a class action lawsuit has been established then there just may be some sort of recognition about this somewhere.....Wheather or not it is about our little critters remains to be seen....But lets imagine for a moment that it does name Monsanto as responsible for it's creation....I'd be willing to bet that any suit brought against them has been settled out of court with gag orders till the cows come home...
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Post by jeanne on Aug 9, 2005 2:25:00 GMT -5
Class Action Lawsuit watch it be outlawed in a few weeks! I think the best way to go is self meds, ie, angel and perhaps self hypnosis. a la fear factor. we are most likely getting negative action from indulging in our delusion of getting any official assistance as is my understanding that because of the subtelty of the symptoms compared to cancer and SARS which have a faster and harder morbity rate we have to act out of honesty for ourselves in every moment. This is the era that brings you "Fear Factor" and Morgellons on the same page. I just noticed my genius self ( friggin' finally) that the Oklahoma study was done eleven years ago.? Correct me if I'm hallucinating. So what do you say everyone? Fax and email now for the heck of it because the squeakiest wheels get the oil. In the mean time black walnut and etc.... Or if you have lived a little bit more right than me a Lyme Doctor who can give you the antidote. The power of the mind and a kind word to whatever primemover you relate to, without pathetically petitioning said mover, is applicable but I think. for sure. time is short (only because I know I am) I love everyone I've been touched in my heart by here, which is everyone, but I think we have to scream softly and strategicly now a la bb. Even if it means putting off joking and dating and ...venting (which this remains)until I do a million letters which have already been written for us. Thank you and much respect to all, and I do mean right left and middle, love, jeanne
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Post by TonyM on Aug 9, 2005 11:40:56 GMT -5
Like i said, how many people should we reach about this? Entire public??? Just in order to get the Government to Really do something.
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Post by jj on Aug 9, 2005 15:19:03 GMT -5
"Genetic engineering hazards unveiled". ................ Here's a collection of ways GMO's can affect the environment and our health (It's long). "Horizontal gene transfer of transgenic DNA could potentially create new disease causing viruses and bacteria and spread antibiotic resistance genes to pathogenic bacteria, making infections harder to treat". This statement in itself is applicable BUT THERE'S MORE THAN THAT possibility going on with us. ............... "Genetic engineering hazards unveiled" www.twnside.org.sg/title/mop1d.htm .............. Yep, I also feel there is a class action suit in our case somewhere (someday). I wouldn't be surprised if U.C. Davis and KOO's hands were sticky from the same cookie jar Monsanto has had a hand in. Still hangin, JJ
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Post by Lisa on Aug 10, 2005 1:24:52 GMT -5
Sorry that I'm too tired to follow up on my notes, but I had them in Word and copied them over here. They relate to either Monsanto, genetic manipulation, fibers, whatever......in case anyone is interested in this stuff. Supreme Court of California Limits Mycogen's Recovery in Lawsuits Against Monsanto www.dowagro.com/newsroom/corporatenews/2002/080802.htm www.ers.usda.gov/data/AgBiotechIP/Data/Table01_UtilityPatentsByTechnologyDetail.html www.dorway.com/monsantoandglc.txt companies to look into: - Enviro-Chem Systems, a Monsanto Company - IMC Agrico - Agracetus, Inc - Mycogen Corporation - Ciba-Geigy - Akzo Nobel - ICI Industries - NSC Technologies Look up: - Sorangium cellulosum - Immobilized proteins in cotton fiber - Institute of Paper Science and Technology Prospects for Modification of Fibers through Genetic Engineering of Cotton - U.S. Army Natick Research, Development and Engineering Center Hierarchical Molecular Order in Silk Secretions and Fibers United States Patent 5,135,867 United States Patent 5,281,530 United States Patent 5,286,486 United States Patent 5,882,905 www.nal.usda.gov/bic/Biotech_Patents/1994patents/05277905.html"The verdict does not create a proprietary position for Monsanto, DeKalb, or Delta and Pine Land, and thus does not affect Mycogen's ability to continue developing and commercializing Bt insect-resistance traits through our retail seed businesses or licensing those traits to other companies." www.isb.vt.edu/Here you will find documents and searchable databases pertaining to the development, testing and regulatory review of genetically modified plants, animals and microorganisms within the US and abroad.
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Post by Lisa on Aug 10, 2005 1:38:03 GMT -5
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Post by southcity on Aug 12, 2005 2:11:36 GMT -5
A Little story about NUSPA..... Ok Ill try to keep this as short and to the point as possible. There are MANY things going on with this illness than meets the eye. I have many stories but this one troubles me the most.. aprox. 7 months ago I did a little digging on skinparasites.com (NUSPA) and learned that almost all neighboring post office boxes of theirs were all state and federal agencies. So I posted a letter asking the folks at nuspa why I felt they knew much more about this than they are saying. I had read an old usenet thread that said the people at nuspa were all on the merck payroll. they answer (clue) that they are innocent and it is all in my head. this kept me at bay for around a month. THEN i got another wild hair, cant remember exactly what set me off, and I sent them another post asking where they recieved their funding. My post was not posted and I sent them another one asking why it was not posted again no reply and no post to their page.. I was very perturbed at this point and sent them one more expressing my lack of confidence in their goals and mission concerning this disease... My letter said "I believe that NUSPA is simply a tool for some research group to track and MONITOR the spread of this monster, and by the way where doo you get your funding." this post made it to the board as I monitored it there was 1 read and that reads reply. THIS WAS THE REPLY. MONIKER: Curious.. "DID YOU ACTUALLY USE THE M-WORD? YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO THE HOUSE OF PAIN" ok I'll tell you this reply freaked me out. Litteraly stunned me and I clicked the return button without thinkning to save the thread first and when I got back to the main posting board all referance to my posts and thier answer to me had been deleted. Something is very much wrong with this group Nuspa. IN any event no more than 1 week after all this takes place, My girlfried who had lived with me now for aprox 8 months with no problems or symptoms becomes heavily infested and has been in full blown morgellems hell since then. House of pain is right I mean Ill rather it be me and go through it all over if it meant she wouldnt have to at all.. by the way I contracted this while staying in a hotel for long timeframes while out of town working. so it would have been easy to pick me out for some unethecle research study or experiment. Ill post more info on this at www.nondelusional.com in a few days. Anyone one else had problems like this at NUSPA?
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