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Post by freaky on Sept 8, 2007 18:55:03 GMT -5
Hi Y'all. I was just wondering, as I'm not feeling well at all, not that I usually do, but the sound of fans are swishing in my head if I pick my face, lie in the tub, bend over, etc. It's like tinnitus?, & I have that too, but not as bad as the fans. Basically, I'm just veggie material, & I believe it is due to the above antibiotic I'm taking. But, you have to consider that I'm taking the Fenbendazole tabs, & I'm loosing a lot of stuff. I always see whole parasites, but Carrie says something like when the parasite leaves your body, it shoots out it's insides, & out comes the skin , & some body parts. Well, I get a whole lot of both coming out, whenever they want to, the bloody bugastards, at the mall, and many special places. But, to the point, it could be that they are leaving my body so toxic that I'm making myself sick, so to say, & it's not necessarily the antibiotic. Nevertheless, this particular anti. is very strong, quite like tetracycline. When I tell my doc how bad I'm herxing, she says "Good, looks like it's working well." After crawling to the computer, I just wanted to know what you guys thought. Have you heard of this anti? Is it of any value? I know there is a place I could go , & not bother you'll to find an appropriate antibiotic, but now I gots double brain fog. I have quite a selection of antis. I never finished, in my medical boudoirs, enough to last 2 weeks when I go to Houston for my appointment. Long boring drive. Maybe I should stay on this one though, & be sick. Maybe I would be anyway. Thanks to anyone who might have any info. on the most preferable antibiotic, & I'm crossing my fingers you won't tell me to look it up. I love you guys. Hugs, freaky PS. Where does Cindy live?
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Post by See Jane Crawl on Sept 8, 2007 20:02:52 GMT -5
Hey girl, I won't ask how you are, I just read your post! I found this on the internet about Ceftin:
Uses Ceftin (Cefuroxime) is a Cephalosporin used in the treatment of infections caused by bacteria and works by killing bacteria and preventing their growth.
How to take this medication Ceftin (Cefuroxime) may be taken on a full or empty stomach. If this medicine upsets your stomach, it may help to take it with food. To help clear up your infection completely, keep taking Ceftin (Cefuroxime) for the full time of treatment , even if you begin to feel better after a few days. If you have a “strep” infection, you should keep taking this medicine for at least 10 days. This is especially important in “strep” infections since serious heart or kidney problems could develop later if your infection is not cleared up completely. Also, if you stop taking this medicine too soon, your symptoms may return.
Usual dosage for Adults and teenagers is 250mg to 500mg every twelve hours while it is maximum of 250mg every 12 hours of children up to 12 years.
Side Effects Every medicine can cause side effects, but many people have no, or minor, side effects. Common side effects include black, tarry stools; chest pain; chills; cough; fever; painful or difficult urination; shortness of breath; sore throat; sores, ulcers, or white spots on lips or in mouth; swollen glands; unusual bleeding or bruising (more common for cefamandole, cefoperazone, cefotetan and cefuroxime); unusual tiredness or weakness
Less common side effects include abdominal or stomach cramps and pain (severe); abdominal tenderness; diarrhea (watery and severe, which may also be bloody); hives or welts, itching redness of skin, or skin rash; pain, redness and swelling at site of injection; peeling of skin; seizures
Precautions For patients with diabetes, Ceftin (Cefuroxime) may cause false test results with some urine sugar tests . Check with your doctor before changing your diet or the dosage of your diabetes medicine. Ceftin (Cefuroxime) may cause diarrhea. Do not take any diarrhea medicine without first checking with your doctor . Diarrhea medicines may make your diarrhea worse or make it last longer.
I would guess that the antibiotic is why you feel worse than normal. Where did you get Fenben tablets? I bought some Albendazole on the internet, but I think the Fenben works better & I can't find any pills except on Ebay, but they come from Greece & the shipping takes literally months, I can never afford to buy enough to carry me through until the next order arrives!
I took Cipro a while back & that stuff really kicked my a$$! I had to stop taking it after one week, I was feeling like you, total veg., even Ed McMahon ringing my doorbell with the one million dollar PCH check in his hand could not get me off the couch!
I hope you feel better!
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Post by reasonable on Sept 8, 2007 21:02:11 GMT -5
Freaky, you did not say how long you've been taking these and how much fenben you're taking.
What Carrie said applies to praziquantel, not fenben. Fenben "starves" them, while prazi "nukes" them - well, actually prazi nukes only flatworms.
Anyways, you should take milk tistle with your meds, as fenben may be hard on your liver.
Watch out for dark urine and "white" stools. Together with fatigue and "pins and needles" muscle aches this may be the sign of liver damage. If so, stop taking your meds until these symptoms clear.
I'm also surprized that you take fenben in pill form and under the guidance of an MD. What country is that?
In any rate, if you feel bad, in my book the smart thing to do is to take it easy and miss a dose or two until you feel better.
Also, how is our blood pressure? That swishing you hear may be the sound of your blood.
As for cefuroxime, sorry, don't know much about it.
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Post by freaky on Sept 9, 2007 2:34:35 GMT -5
Seejanecrawl, I am so pleased you are back to your old self. What a babe. I'm going back to the feed store tomorrow, or Monday. It wasn't that expensive last time I got it, & there's 30 Boluses. I'll pick you up a bottle, & send it to you. I know you'll pay me back. My doc doesn't give me the fenben, obviously. reasonable, thanks for the tips. I do take the milk thistle religiously because I have hep C, but I have my priorities. KILL, KILL, KILL THE NASTY MAMA UcKERS. If it were to only paralyze them, & people wanted to do that, I recommend, as I have many times before, but no one was interested, Pagoda Tree Fruit (Melia azadirachta). Maybe I didn't say enough about it. I'd be glad to look it up, if I can find the book now. A dr. from NM stated, if nothing else worked, he would use that on his patients. Darn him, he didn't say why, & I couldn't figure out how to contact him. At least you guys know there is one doc in NM who will treat parasites. If you want the name, I'll go on the big hunt, after the mall tomorrow. I've been on the Cefuroxime about 4 or 5 days, just long enough to make me cranky, & I hate to sleep, which is my only side effect, cept feeling like my Mom who is 89, but she has a stupid doc. I guess I'll keep up . I didn't take one this morning, but I'm going to take one now. What you say makes seance for me to keep on, because my instincts tell me I'm loaded with bacteria, with the quick expulsion of the life snatchers. Bye Bye MaMa Sucker uckers. Name calling feels good for Demonic beings. Not that I'm a sour puss. Not me. Plus, I am a very good girl. It's 2:36, & I'm going to go crash with Bentley, & Bill. I do threesomes. haha Hugs, freaky Thanks again to both you babes for that info. Very, very much obliged. xox Oh, been taking the fenben for about a week. Think it may be getting too close to my eyes, which started the silver flashes? I just bit off an appropriate chunk, & if too many come out, I start taking less. I'm brainy like that.
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Post by freaky on Sept 13, 2007 1:25:27 GMT -5
I wonder if this thread is dead. Hum. I'm wondering, is Praziquantel more preferable than the fenben??? and how does it come? in paste, pills? See Jane Crawl, I'm sorry, I meant to thank you for all the info. you gave me on Cefuroxime. That was really helpful. It's probably what is making me so tired. We ate at 7:45, & by about 8:30 I was passed out until 10:00, or 10:30. What a drag. Then i get up, & drink some coffee to wake up so I can get ready to go to bed, & there's always something. We had washed the sheets, so we had to make up the bed before bed. reasonable, I had gotten my fenben tabs at Petco, or Pet Smart. I get the 2 confused. Then they discontinued them. I was thinking when the thread came up fenben makes you well, that that was the ticket. I guess I should alternate them, but if the Prazaq. only comes in paste, I can't do it. I have this gag response I discovered when I tried the fenben paste. No can do. It seems like if you can't read every thread completely, you become a little lost as to how to treat yourself, & what exactly are the people in the know doing. Hugs again, freaky Oh, I have perfect blood pressure, & it's usually low, so perfectly low. I'm almost positive the fans are not due to my blood pressure.
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Post by reasonable on Sept 13, 2007 19:52:38 GMT -5
Freaky, I did not mean to sound as if I recommend prazi over fenben. I don't. I only meant to clear up some confusion.
Prazi works on flatworms - tapeworms and flukes - by disintegrating their "tegument" = skin. So that it is possible to say that parasites "shoot out their insides". In this sense I also meant that prazi "nukes" them. It does not work as well on round worms = nematodes, nor fungi, bacteria, nor protozoa.
Fenben, on the other hand, just like the other benzimidazoles, affects various organisms. These drugs work by binding to tubulin and preventing normal cellular processes, like "feeding" and expelling waste. They work on various worms, both flat and round, and also on a variety of protozoa and fungi. Fenben is especially good suppressing dermatophytes, as Niels pointed earlier.
These drugs bind to "their" tubulin many times stronger than to mammalian tubulin. But they still can give you a side effect. This can happen if you take these drugs for a long time. The worst side effect is suppression of bone marrow and low levels of white blood cells, which translates to lowered immunity, which can lead to death, if you don't stop the drug.
Prazi, on the other hand, will not affect you if you do not have susceptible worms. If you have a pronounced effect after taking up to 3g of prazi, this means that you have something that was nuked. On the other hand, the prazi that is sold dirt cheap for fish, has impurities in it and they alone may make you sick.
If you decide tp take vet meds, please go for brand name vet drugs, not cheap vet generics - those could be unsafe to take more than once.
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Post by reasonable on Sept 13, 2007 20:40:10 GMT -5
PS
I was concerned about the fenben you're taking, because it is formulated - sounds like it - as a long-term bolus for cattle, meaning that it stays in rumen for a long time releasing the med. The "inert" ingredients are not disclosed in vet drugs and they may be the problem. You may need to search for their patent on this bolus to get en idea what's in it.
Fenben for horses is a 10% paste. It has a pleasant minty taste. You can pack the dose in several capsules if you don't like it.
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Post by freaky on Sept 14, 2007 2:43:52 GMT -5
reasonable, that may be why no one is carrying it anymore. Thanks so much for the information. It is highly appreciated, as I became totally confused. the Fenbendazole I'm taking is Equine-Guard, & it's for horses. All it says is Each bolus contains 1.25 g Fenbendazole. Highly palatable Apple flavored oral pills. What a great idea capping the paste. Never thought of that because I suppose I thought it would melt the caps. See Jane Crawl, are you out here? ? I'm trying to locate the caps for her, but I do need to know if the ones I'm looking for are the appropriate ones. Seems like caping them would be no problem if you could figure out how many caps to cap. You're a sweetheart. Thanks for looking out for me. I don't see a patent # on the Equine-Guard. Hugs, freaky
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Post by Niels on Sept 14, 2007 15:45:38 GMT -5
does anybody know what happens if you take prazi and rifampin at the same time? i'm not, because, it says "contraindicated" but what exactly is the problem? cefuroxime, fyi, is what my LLMD gave me as "challenge" prior to my igenex test. i think that was because it's relatively mild, and probably causes borrelia to break open, and be more challenging to the immune system (more "borrelial guts" == more immune response that igenex can read)... to me, that means cefuroxime is particularly "herxy" and that may account for why you feel so crappy. i've been told bicillin-la is the shizzle... got a scrip, can't afford it, and kaiser won't pay for it or prescribe it... aka usual situation.... if i grow more desparate, i know i can get nonprescription cow-medicine to shoot up my ass www.pbsanimalhealth.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/injectables/ultrapenb.html?L+scstore+zvzw0214ff0a410aanybody reccommend this approach?
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Post by reasonable on Sept 14, 2007 20:06:31 GMT -5
Niels, Re rifampin and prazi, I believe it is because ...: "Rifampin is known to induce certain cytochrome P-450 enzymes. Administration of rifampin with drugs that undergo biotransformation through these metabolic pathways may accelerate elimination of coadministered drugs. To maintain optimum therapeutic blood levels, dosages of drugs metabolized by these enzymes may require adjustment when starting or stopping concomitantly administered rifampin." www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/rifampin_ad.htmPrazi is broken down by these enzymes, so it would mean that it would be eliminated from the body quicker. BTW, benzimidazoles (albendazole, fenben, mebendazole, etc) are also metabolized by P-450 enzymes. In theory, you could counteract the inducing effect of rifampin on these enzymes by drinking grapefruit juice. As for your other question, sorry, don't know much about it.
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Post by toni on Sept 14, 2007 21:17:51 GMT -5
Reasonable,
Thanks for pointing something out, the grapefruit juice...I've been drinking that almost every single day for a month now, and I wasn't considering the meds I take with it, which is certainly something important to check on. Thank you.
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Post by robertalouise26 on Sept 14, 2007 23:12:24 GMT -5
Yes Toni it is very very important that you check your medication and drinking grape frruit juice at the same time. I don't know the reason, but here in NZ it is written on the prescription botle or packet Not to drink grape fruit juice while taking this medication Hope that you have a good weekend. Love and best wishes. Roberta.
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