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Post by reasonable on Nov 25, 2007 2:46:37 GMT -5
Check this out and follow this thread to the end: curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=883344#i1So, here is your "fluke" - or, rather, Hilda Clark's "flukes". It's good that the CDC finally learned to answer such emails. Lymephotos got nada back in 2000. A banana! Shows you how easily we get confused by appearances and how the last place we look is in front of our noses. Funny, I looked into the banana theory from the start, but I made one mistake: I looked at it raw. You gotta boil the banana for 30 mins and then stain it. Those large cells are stained yellow-orange by the digestive juices in the GI tract. Watch your "fluke" chains turn blue by gentian violet. I knew it was a plant, but - banana?! It's just cracking me up.
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Post by ppy18 on Nov 25, 2007 12:00:15 GMT -5
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Post by reasonable on Nov 25, 2007 14:49:07 GMT -5
Hey Ppy18! Good to see you.
It's a good question. I have an idea, but first please answer these truthfully:
How often you eat bananas or smoothies?
When was the last time you had one?
Why don't you like them?
BTW, a plantain is a banana too - or the other way around, it don't matter - so count them in.
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Post by friskers on Nov 25, 2007 15:03:04 GMT -5
tinyurl.com/yo4nnq I dont eat bananas at all. Did you know theres 39 grams of carbs and 35 grams of sugars in just one banana Its a great food but probably not for us morgies
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Post by Carrie♥ on Nov 25, 2007 15:21:06 GMT -5
OMG Reasonable...you're silly! The CDC also says we're DOP and what does that mean? Pathology of my hospital here says they're "thread" and that again...means what? Nothin'! CDC has been blowin' smoke up our asses for decades and will continue to do so...you're going to give their diagnosis credit for banana's? Hahaha...that's funny!!! Please...it's Curezone...Haha...spell my name right next time would ya? I'm busy...I don't have time to "out do" you, not that "out doing" you has even been a goal or even remotely interesting!?! You're wrong Reasonable...don't you know this? You seem awful proud to "out do" me...you've been waitin' for the day huh! Nah...not your day...try again. The chains are in the right hands...let us wait 'til the real day they're really, properly identified. When Randy tells me they are not fluke remains I will believe it and that day has yet to happen. Our fibers are directly related to those chains...directly!!! When the chains get nailed we'll be well on our way!!!Ask yourself the simple questions that the CDC thinks we're too stupid to ask, "How did they get there...and in that very form?" Anyway...what do you think Randy is doing with them chains? Hum? Microbiologists are stumped by them...as is Randy...and you say banana? Ask Randy what he thinks of your banana thing...ha! Our chains have a strange chemical make up...nothing strange about... Keep it real girl...you're very good at it generally but with you plant theory you land my ass on the floor. My chains are NO way banana seeds. Either are Greg's, JoseJ's wifes, or that lady from Curezone. Nothing wrong with Curezone but show me the money Reasonable...you know the deal. You can tell me anything, no offense but all your doin' is tellin' me...show me the MONEY baby...you know the rules! Have you chimed in to the Curezone forum? I'd like to see the documentation of what the CDC claims them to be! The letter isn't posted is it? I'm going to sign up and ask to see it. These are my chains and they have a common base line that they branch from...these are no way banana seeds. Stop fightin' it Luke, I am your Fathah ! Try again... ...these chains are the internal structures of the flukes that are the #1 main symptom causer of Morgellons As common as en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasciola_hepatica Oh Lord...look at that? Hum...nothin' closer can fit our chains to date! The adult flukes have their place in our guts too...it is as simple as 1-2-3! Please, stop makin' it difficult for our people to see...stop "muddyin' the waters!" The CDC doesn't even acknowledge the SLF in this country and we are endemic! We have flukes and the chains in one form or the other are their remains and the CDC once again deny the facts as they are. Think about it...what else can the chains be? Nothin' but fluke guts...haha on that .
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Post by overandover on Nov 25, 2007 15:26:52 GMT -5
Hey Carrie YOU GO GIRL
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Post by grady on Nov 25, 2007 15:33:58 GMT -5
Do you still have them carrie? if not what got rid of them?
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Post by reasonable on Nov 25, 2007 15:58:48 GMT -5
Wow woman, you are stubborn! God help you see the light one day. As for the rest of us...
Well, why mince so many words. It's so much easier, faster and most convicing to simply boil a sliced banana for half an hour or so. You can add some salt and boil for only 10-15 mins. Then brake the slices apart to reveal the fibrous structures in the middle.
Put in a glass of water with a drop of gentian violet and leave overnight. You can substitute gentian violet with something staining like strong tea or coffee. (Do not use iodine - it will turn the whole thing black.)
Next morning take a look at those "chains", which are the structures in the middle. You will see the thing in a baggy that Carrie posted here above a real fluke (even though that one is dry).
If you have a scope, you will see those "chains" blue instead of amber - or whatever color stain you used.
And yes, "chains" are not realy banana seeds but cells that support seeds. Cultivated bananas do not develop seeds. They usually show aborted ovules = those little black dots growing out of "chains".
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Post by reasonable on Nov 25, 2007 16:11:47 GMT -5
Friski, you surprise me. I expected a sexy joke from you, especially since the topic is bananas. What's up with you babe - hope you're feelin alright
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Post by Carrie♥ on Nov 25, 2007 16:25:35 GMT -5
Hi Grady...nope, no more chains. Not for a couple years. I killed my flukes pretty much but I'm still sick. I'm not Morgified though, at least I don't think so. I don't think Morgellons brings a lot of pain, I think the bacteria infections do and that's is primarily what I am dealing with today. Killin' them in the gut is pretty easy, Fendbendazole and Oxybendazole worked for me...as does black walnut tincture. There is much more goin' on that this. Damn I wonder if it'll even end. Ha...no more chains and I eat banana's a lot. So does the rest of the planet! Why are chains in stool so rare? Why not in healthy people? Why is that so much more common with Morgellons and/or Lyme? If the chains were as common as banana's we wouldn't be talkin' about it now! I was going to mention too that on the link that Reasonable provided there is a picture of the woman son's diaper with a bit of chain in it...can ya'll see that? I got one of those chains like that from my dog's eye one time about six months after our initial big time onset of Morgellons. It was lighter brown in color, not super dark, almost black like the chains. I think I got it some where...on some toilet paper stuck to some tape. Not sure where it is...! I had them expelled like that when I whipped too...lighter brown...different than the chains that are pictured above. I know JoseJ's wife gets the chains consistently, well from what I recall him tellin' me. I think those are different than the chains that I posted above. Those chains are pure innards in my opinion...touched my some chemicals which caused the worm to expel. See the difference? I can see it...don't mean much though, I know. And then Reasonable talks about gentian violet turning the chains blue...no,no it doesn't. When I used to wade regularly through the doo-doo I found something totally transparent that I thought was a worm. Those are what happened to the chains after touching them with GV! That is not blue in the respect that we know GV to stain things. Can you see our fibers in relation to the chains? Those are fresh, chains that were expelled with pooh. My guess is depending on what you have eaten or what contents happens to be in your gut at the time the chains in this sense are being exposed to changes the appearance of the chain. I think metals play a huge roll in that along with our disease. I know metals accumulate in our gut...look what metals did to my chains. It makes them darker, harder, firmer. It was totally clear, transparent, it looked like a wiggle "s" of mucous...imagine my surprise to find this after staining. It isn't exactly like the segmented chains that are pictured above...but can you see the unstained oval eggs in the darkness centered above? To the left of the second picture posted in this post is the braided fiber that Randy has posted that you can see Kelly posing as Morgie of the month at the NMO's website as she is pointing to while doing the Vanna White. There on the wall is a picture posted that Randy took, the same like the one above...related to the chain. Right above Kelly's head is the braided...very disturbing fiber that we Morgies have in common... www.cherokeechas.com/motm.htm. Imagine that...I have tons of those fibers too, directly related to the chains as is the red and blue. These are all related to flukes Reasonable. Even Lymephotos mentions flukes. How can you call their chains banana seeds or any type of plant? Lymephotos got some good pics of the chains... What is one thing Morgellons and Lyme disease has in common? Flukes...the other slime meat ! Yes I am stubborn. Stubborn got me through DOP! Where is your scope and digital camera Reasonable? You are always runnin' your mouth...what you do got to back it up? I'm cleanin' out my closet and cleanin' my messy bedroom. Why don't you do the banana experiment and bring it to the table? Okay...! I'll do it. If it don't show me something similar at least we're done! You hear me? You and I will be finished! I know it won't because I know what I'm tellin' you BUT since you don't post no pics, ever...I will post them and show you how they are NOT the same! Huh! But I ain't waitin' 'til tomorrow...I've got to work tomorrow so I'll boil the damn banana now and follow up with it tonight...just to show you that these are NOT our chains!
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Post by Carrie♥ on Nov 25, 2007 18:25:58 GMT -5
After boiling the banana and turning it to mush in my hands I can see how they could justify labeling those as being our chains but they clearly are not. I doubt that the CDC actually looked at the chains except in a photo. They dubbed them chains banana's just as quick as they dubbed us DOP. I will let them sit in the GV for a while but I can already tell under the scope there is NO WAY they are the same things. Our chains are segmented...these are not. The banana mush are much more fibrous. The banana stuff is much bigger too. Reasonable I remember stumbling upon you're inquiry to some type of parasitologist group asking them if the chains were tapeworms. Do you have some or were you just workin' on finding out what they were? I'm curious...do you actually have some? I promise you there is NOTHING like them...nothin! They are one of a kind. Answer me huh, Do you have any or have you ever had some? I don't have many left but I have some strands...if you'd like a strand I'll send you one. These have been bothering you for some time...I'm curious to know your position. Once you actually get feel of them you know we're dealing with something pretty fascinating. Our chains don't take up staining either. Once they are blackened they DON'T hold stain. They don't stain blue with GV. When they are transparent before staining you see what happens when they are touched with GV and that is almost intantanious...no waiting over night. That last post up there is not what I am seeing now in your banana's. If we are expelling banana's and they are supposed to be chains how do you explain it? How are they stained in the gut with out the preparing as you've described? Are you talkin' about those big black things? Those certainly aren't our chains. There is one thing I found along the string that the big black things are on but I can't get a good picture of it. Those are not our chains either though. I'm not sure what you're talkin' about being our chains but I don't see anything even close. I tried to log into Curezone but am having problems. Maybe you should let that lady know that the CDC once again has lied to her...lied to us all.
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Post by friskers on Nov 25, 2007 18:59:45 GMT -5
Friski, you surprise me. I expected a sexy joke from you, especially since the topic is bananas. What's up with you babe - hope you're feelin alright I know...........I thought about it! im ok! I think you said I made you blush or something so I didnt want to trash your thread with my crude jokes. But now I see you miss them!? ;D
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Post by janedough on Nov 25, 2007 19:51:30 GMT -5
Reasonable,
only a jerk from morgwatch would start a thread like that. You still won't admit it huh? Her chains look nothing like a banana, unless it was genetically engineered with fungi and bacteria and human and cow and horse and mouse and sea urchin dna and AIDS. Am I getting close yet ? Start running the blasts. You know its out there. Open your eyes.
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Post by reasonable on Nov 25, 2007 22:19:31 GMT -5
Hahaha, that's just it, Jane. I already cooked and stained a banana and I saw that chains were it.
I can't make you look. But as long as you refuse to take a look, please don't say that they ain't it. Otherwise it's sort of like our derms. They know in advance what's what and refuse to simply take a look. Don't become like them.
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Post by liatris on Nov 25, 2007 22:52:13 GMT -5
I think the easiest (and definitive) way to settle this is -
If the people who have these chains did not eat bananas or plantains at the time they had them, then they are not from banana or plantain.
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Post by reasonable on Nov 25, 2007 23:23:11 GMT -5
Not quite, Liatris. Read on phytobezoars. That's undigested veg material - usually orange pulp, persimmons or bananas - that could remain and accumulate in the GI tract for years. The cause is insufficient digestive enzymes. If something happens that dislodges a bezoar - and it could be a purge or a 6-pack of Coke - you could be passing stuff that you ate long, long time ago.
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Post by liatris on Nov 25, 2007 23:48:25 GMT -5
Reasonable - what do you think of what CARRIE did in response to checking out the banana as you suggested ? Not quite, Liatris. Read on phytobezoars. That's undigested veg material - usually orange pulp, persimmons or bananas - that could remain and accumulate in the GI tract for years. The cause is insufficient digestive enzymes. If something happens that dislodges a bezoar - and it could be a purge or a 6-pack of Coke - you could be passing stuff that you ate long, long time ago. Interesting ... just one thing I read stated that 0.4-4% of all intestinal obstructions are due to phytobezoars. That does not really give a good idea of how many people may have them. How annoying that fibers would bind up like that and threaten someone's life.
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Post by reasonable on Nov 26, 2007 0:05:09 GMT -5
Reasonable - what do you think of what CARRIE did in response to checking out the banana as you suggested ? I don't understand the question. The goal of this thread was to let you know what I learned recently. What you do with it and how you approach it is up to you. good night
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Post by liatris on Nov 26, 2007 0:15:56 GMT -5
Reasonable - what do you think of what CARRIE did in response to checking out the banana as you suggested ? I don't understand the question. The goal of this thread was to let you know what I learned recently. What you do with it and how you approach it is up to you. good night Carrie stated what she had done in response to what you had suggested regarding boiling and staining and she got back to you with relevant statements and follow-up questions. I was simply asking what you thought about what she found since you have not yet replied to her. I do not have stains or a microscope or bananas and since I am interested in this, I am wondering what you thought of what she found.
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Post by freaky on Nov 26, 2007 3:06:48 GMT -5
Hi Carrie. Thank you for my birthday wish. I've been under the weather, ;D but will write soon. ???I got chains, & no bananas. I also got long white worms, thick, & long. ;D Good Night, freaky
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