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Post by chaosonline on Nov 27, 2007 0:39:22 GMT -5
Excerpt: "This information is being advanced without extended discussion or analysis because of the urgency to make the information available to the public." www.carnicom.com/bloodtest1.htmKaren from Michigan
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Post by skytroll on Nov 27, 2007 1:10:35 GMT -5
Chaos,
Thanks for putting that up front.
Also some stuff going on in Germany. Seems weather people are getting bold and documenting with the tools they have on hand. Must be they just started doing them there. I thought they had been for some time, but, who knows.
Skytroll
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Post by chaosonline on Nov 27, 2007 1:13:39 GMT -5
Sky,
I didn't see your post until I had started the thread.
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Post by Niels on Nov 27, 2007 1:28:04 GMT -5
www.carnicom.com/bloodtest1.htmthis almost looks like a transparent-looking mite or shrimp or something really tiny. take a look at "Subject No. 1 : The highly disturbed region under normal visible light. Magnification 2500x." doesn't it look like there's almost a "ghost of a spider" in the image. Not exactly a spider, but a multilegged little insect-looking thing, except much smaller than most insects we see. when i was over at kaiser doing a "skin snip" test for filaria (none found, but then again, i'd just done a couple of months of antiparasics so whadya expect). there was a little bug-like thing that floated by. doctor said it was a "mite" ... and said "everybody has them" ... but the thing is, it wasn't from the surface where you'd expect a mite it was in my blood. Which reminds me, to start taking my praziquantel... which i can't stand taking... so i stopped.
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Post by skytroll on Nov 27, 2007 1:30:36 GMT -5
It should have had a thread of it's own, anyway.
Cliff keeps going after it. Maybe we can get the NASA test?.......
Skytroll
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Post by prevenge on Nov 27, 2007 2:02:09 GMT -5
thanks cliff!@!!!
uh to everybody else?...
DRINK SILVER![/u][/b]
cliff had better gather a good report arount himself of trusted people. -M
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Post by robertalouise26 on Nov 27, 2007 2:15:40 GMT -5
Hi prevenge I have heard of a lot of good results with colloidal silver but it is sooooooooooo expensive on my pension I could not afford it. If I had the money I would certainly take it and see if it helped. Love and best wishes. Roberta.
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Post by skytroll on Nov 27, 2007 2:16:21 GMT -5
Prevenge, Watch the silver, some of it is not pure silver. It can harm. Some have gotten very sick on it. Hey, what do you think of this bugger? Beyond Westphalia: The Emergent Globalization Paradigm Authors: Charles S. Armstrong; ARMY COMMAND AND GENERAL STAFF COLL FORT LEAVENWORTH KS SCHOOL OF ADVANCED MILITARY STUDIES Abstract: This monograph analyzes the effects of globalization on the international system as reflected in the changing nature of war. The attacks of 11 September, 2001 were greatly different from any other attack suffered by the United States and require a new paradigm for analysis and experimentation. Three aspects of the American concept of war have undergone significant change: the rise of non-state actors in international affairs, the impact of "real time" information on perception, and a shift in objective and permissible levels of violence. The future of war is closely tied to globalization and the military will continue to conduct operations that are different in scope and scale from wars against other nation-states. The Global War on Terror is a new form of war that must be carefully analyzed and understood in order for the United States to successfully prosecute it. www.stormingmedia.us/06/0681/A068154.html
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Post by prevenge on Nov 27, 2007 2:59:40 GMT -5
"The future of war is closely tied to globalization and the military will continue to conduct operations that are different in scope and scale from wars against other nation-states. "
sit back.
absorb that.
ponder on it.
figure the ACTUAL wording thats actually intended...
"different in scope and scale from wars against other nation-states. "
oh.. you mean...
wars agains SAME nation-states.
meaning..
us.
thanks for clearing that up with us and all.. thats nice..
-M
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Post by prevenge on Nov 27, 2007 3:20:01 GMT -5
Prevenge, Watch the silver, some of it is not pure silver. It can harm. Some have gotten very sick on it. Thats called Herxing. I'm sure you've heard of it.. the Herximer response.. after the silver has done a good amount of killing to the organisms.. your body is full of the dead bodies of these things.. no longer protecting themselves from being detected.. thusly.. your body goes into a state where there is much inflammation and it pushes and processes the massive amount of dead cellular matter out of your body. it's been reported on a wide scale from everybody that's cured themselves with silver. -M
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Post by ANTHILL on Nov 27, 2007 9:45:18 GMT -5
Prevenge, Watch the silver, some of it is not pure silver. It can harm. Some have gotten very sick on it. Thats called Herxing. I'm sure you've heard of it.. the Herximer response.. after the silver has done a good amount of killing to the organisms.. your body is full of the dead bodies of these things.. nolonger protecting themselves from being detected.. thusly.. your body goes into a state where there is much inflammation and it pushes and processes the massive amount of dead cellular matter out of your body. it's been reported on a wide scale from everybody that's cured themselves with silver. -M Vary interesting and painful experience the heximer response is One day my I skin will be normal no inflammation and the next for about three days at a time my face will puff up and I have really bad headaches almost a tune to a spike in the head My herxes are not brought on by silver though although In the early days I would of tried anything including choking down a few silver spoons and possibly a silver tea service for a party of four From my experaments with essential oils the next logical step was to try tea's made from the same herbs the oils were made of that I found most helpful and it was even better than the oils topically Now I am on to the next most logical step which is alcoholic tinctures which I find work even even better they keep indefinitely un like the tea I can make allot of it at a time and is vary cheep to make and are vary penetrating It can be taken orally as well one that I do not take orally is a hot pepper tincture because It might cause me to yell fire in the hole but am having good success with it topically Another tincture that I have had good success with Is lavender these are the main ones I am working with right now although I have made others that I need to test more It seems that since I have been using the tinctures topically the herxes have been less and less severe No telling how a hot pepper tincture will effect someone that is full blown but It certainly gives me more control than I have ever had
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Post by grady on Nov 27, 2007 9:59:30 GMT -5
This might be a big NOTHING. He said he tested 5 people, they all had the same thing in the blood, only one had Morgellons, to me, this is proof that it is nothing but normal.
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Post by grady on Nov 27, 2007 10:07:07 GMT -5
And I quote ...
The finding is that all five individuals tested show this same anomalous form within the blood of each. The degree of presence varies, but all of the individuals observed display the same identical form and structures within the blood. Only one of the five individuals(subject 5) is known to be outwardly manifesting the Morgellon's symptoms. The comparison of the Morgellon's condition will obviously be critical in any analysis of these findings. If it is any "normal" condition, it will have to be proven as such. The varying conditions of the blood samples at this stage indicate anything but normal from the perspective of this researcher. Again, I do not claim or offer any position of medical knowledge or expertise on this issue; I do offer a set of observations that I regard as important for you to consider.
Yawn, nothing to see here, what a waste of time, I was so excited he might have found something, but give me a break, everybody he tests shows this, sheeze
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Post by felixwillford on Nov 27, 2007 10:24:23 GMT -5
Grady,
I believe you are mistaken. If you read Cliff's previous paper, there is a part where a Physician and Cliff talked about this morgellons being "fungal related" and in EVERYONE'S BLOOD.
The physician look at his own blood and had it.
In other words, we are all infected, but not everyone shows symptoms.
Just like a person can be HIV positive ( not manifesting AIDS (symptoms) but not develop AIDS for a while.
or
Someone may have the herpes virus, but do not show symptoms. Many people have this virus without ever having symptoms.
It's a matter of time.
If this is from our environment, that would eplain why everyone has it, simply not all show outwardly the symptoms of morgellons.
This is what I gathered from reading Cliff's last two reports.
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Post by grady on Nov 27, 2007 10:45:49 GMT -5
I knew that would be the response, everybody has it and it's Morgellons, sorry, I just don't by that at all, grasping at straws .... Maybe something will come of it but I doubt it.
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Post by felixwillford on Nov 27, 2007 11:41:42 GMT -5
It's been said and believed for a long time that just about everyone has been exposed, with only some showing outward symptoms. This is nothing new. Cliff has just proved that theory which I find exciting.
For those who read his previous research paper, the Physician (who is healthy and not showing symptoms) tested his own blood and had the "possible" fungal growth in his blood.
I think it's an environmental contaminent and those who's blood do not show this pattern are probably living somewhere where this "contaminent " is not so prominent.
Cliff's new research merely cements the theory that "just about everyone" does have this without knowing it.
I am sure someday, they will get a handle on this and we may not be totally cured, but maybe back to being completely symptom free as those are now, but test postive for the abnormal blood.
Cliff is very intelligent and working on this for maybe 10 years? Not sure need to check. But it's been a very long time for him.
In the meantime, I prefer to keep a POSITIVE attitude rather than negative and keep hoping.
Someone would have to prove Cliff wrong on his findings. Otherwise all theories are plausible.
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Post by grady on Nov 27, 2007 11:53:48 GMT -5
Well Kmarnie, the next step would be to find out just what that substance is, seems to me this is very possible, hopefully they can and will find out, I mean if they can photograph it so well, they ought to be able to test it and discover what it is? Or watch it and see if it divides and grows, something? I'm hopeful too Kmarnie, it's just a real stretch for me to believe this is some global pandemic, I mean, I use two boards and there's hardly any members, where are all the people? As bad as this sounds it would be better if everyone was coming down with it, maybe they'd take it seriously ...
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Post by felixwillford on Nov 27, 2007 12:26:07 GMT -5
Where are all the people?
Alot of the "people" are elderly (lower immune system) and have early onset Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, etc... I've personally seen their lesions.
They are unable to use the board.
I worked in a Nursing home and saw the lesions and fiber balls in their beds.
I saw the --------- dash like scratches that come out of nowhere on many patients young and old who were not cognitive enough to "wonder" what they have.
I've also worked Group homes and saw it there. Those people were not able to use a computer and many are on antipsychotics.
I've done home heath...................... yes and saw many of them had it too.
It's out there and it's big.
Then you have those who have total faith in their doctor almost to the point of believing that DOCTORS are GOD and are getting misdiagnosed and continuing "believing" they have a dermatitis / allergy condition and are told to change Laundry detergents.
Others are young children who do not use the boards.
Some know they have it, but for society reasons, self treat and need to keep their jobs. Fear being treated like the 1st AIDS patients were. They don't want to come to the boards and being "tracked" with their internet code.
I worked in a state Hospital.................. some morgies are drugged up, and left for crazy. Family members and friends didn't believe this strange affliction to be true.
Dogs, horses, and other animals do not use message boards.
I could go on.
Grady, I am glad you decided to be more optimistic. Being positive is what will save us.
Since anti fungals help many, it is [glow=red,2,300]not[/glow]so far fetched to have a fungus in our blood.
In Fact, Cliff's report is only connecting more dots together. There is still much work to do as there is most likely more than ONLY fungus. Have to figure out the #1 causative agent with our blood being the most practical place to look.
70% of the foods we buy in a grocery store are GMO and GMO are fungus, virus, bacteria, parasite, all added to the seeds of our food that is grown. We are constantly exposed to "a mad scientist's brew" just about everytime we eat.
Sincerely, Kmarie
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Post by prevenge on Nov 27, 2007 12:32:29 GMT -5
there's news about how NO FRENCH soldiers from the Gulf War have Gulf War Syndrom.. so it's been thought out that gulf war syndrome is innoculation-based.
an "element A" ..
waiting for "element B" to be exposed.. and combine to form th deadly knockout combo.
this could follow the same simple and effective design as that... where everyone is exposed... and then bam.. the next exposurecombines and KICKS IN..
i mean.. i was just outside.. and man..seeing so so many chemtrails.. just .. the sky is completely filled.
and i thought.. wow thats alot of time and enery and manpower with no "obvious" effects.. meaning.. nobodys falling dead in their tracks.
so its coming down.. and affecting everybody...
possibly waiting for "element B" to trigger the full effect..
element "b" could also be EMF.. microwave.. frequencies that trigger it as well..
there are sympathetic and destructive frequencies for all living things... use a destructive frequency.. and you destroy the organism... use sympathetic and you can make it's lifecycle THRIVE.
possibly its in everyone and certain people have been triggered via EMF.
or maybe it's like that.. yet more subtle
don't think for a second.. that some think tank hasn't thought of this.
-M
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Post by felixwillford on Nov 27, 2007 12:49:24 GMT -5
Prevenge,
good info................. yes I agree, something triggors it.
Initially Nurses and Teachers were #1 at risk for morgellons. Why?
Probably because the children now days are get so so so many immunizations Nurses,
well, they too have to have immunizatons or work with patients who get their STUPID flu immunization on a yearly basis.
Now it's not more prevelant with Teachers/Nurses, they took it home to their family.
Saw my daughter and son in law at Thanksgiving..................they had lesions, but will not discuss if it is morgellons. I know to just keep my mouth shut up on that topic.
My daughter works in a vet office handling animals Son in Law............... exposed to toxins as an exterminator.
I am going to try the silver.
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