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Post by bessie on Apr 24, 2008 12:15:54 GMT -5
Anybody watch Morning Joe today? Joe Scarborough is a former congressman from FL and commented on the coverup of the latest in a recent surge in UFO sightings (Monday outside of Phoenix). He started to explain how there is a subcommittee whose job it is to come up with cover stories for these things - then he stopped himself because he said "it's a secret" - and someone else said he could get killed for talking about it. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/I know this is far-fetched in the context of Morgellons, but I feel strongly there is a connection. I'm not sure what it is, whether it is "alien technology" (there are books written on this subject, Corso being one of the authors), or that something HUGE is happening to the planet, beyond what any of us can imagine. After my identifying what is devouring me, I am ready to believe any explanation. I just hope "they" are here to HELP us, as many (not M's) have postulated. Better than thinking the CDC is going to help us.... Bessie
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Post by gradysghost on Apr 24, 2008 15:16:37 GMT -5
I believe it was a hoax, I also believe in all the vastness of space there is not a single living thing except for what is on this planet. I know many will disagree and that's fine. The flares on the helium balloons does match perfectly with what people saw. However, a powerful illusion is coming.
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Post by bessie on Apr 24, 2008 16:38:07 GMT -5
grady- Did you go to the morning Joe link and watch the video? It might change your mind.
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Post by prevenge on Apr 24, 2008 17:12:39 GMT -5
the most recent ones... the "phoenix lights" ... happened before .. int he same place.. actually 9 months and 11 months before it happened this time ( 9/11 is a very important ratio forecasting solar maximums ) anyway... these type of craft are the gigantic "flying fortresses" .. actual "lead zeppelins" .. military craft with holes on the underside large enough to pull up large amounts of CARS into. they're metal blimps. they don't go super fast most of the time.. .. but fast enough. they've been reported mostly during practice routes over major highways. where are people going to be AT when chaos of a natural or man made disaster hits? stuck in gridlock traffic along major highways.. thats where. what more convenient place to hoover up the masses and move them. these phoenix lights aren't alien they're military. but i think that you're gonna see all sorts of "illusions" holographic.. manufactured.. everything in area 51 pulled out.. the "big guns" etc... hell something "non-human" might walk by me.. and someone will say... "see its aliens!" .. but that's still just assuming. for all you know.. that could be the current version of some crazy Nazi genetic human-experiment . or it could be an alien.. either way.. it's what the majority believe it to be.. which is what the "experts" on TV will tell them it is.. and thats what reality and history will be said to be. not what it really was.. but what it is thought to be by the masses.. surface history. not deep history. and as far as "believing" that we're the only thing in the universe, grady.. that's a prison i wouldn't want to place my mind in buddy. thought your mind was a bit more buoyant than that. what a waste of space the universe must be! introduce yourself to Drake's Equation. www.airynothing.com/smackerels/DrakeEquation.htmldosn't PROVE anything.. but at least it helps to understand what the odds are. (according to WHAT the PUBLIC KNOWS) the odds being... that your government loves you and tells you EVERY scientific and social development ever made.. in order for you to make a healthy and prudent judgement about your belief in life the universe and everything. grady with what you said.... you make baby jesus cry -M
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Post by bessie on Apr 25, 2008 13:32:11 GMT -5
Prevenge - Did you go to Morning Joe's link? Don't forget, he is an ex-congressman who served on a subcommittee whose responsibility it is to find "patsys" or cover stories for UFO's. He stopped himself and said I could get killed. This isn't Rense - it's major television - MSNBC. The thing you described - now, why wouldn't the military be BRAGGING about something the size of a football field that can fly 1 mile an hour if it were designed to unclog traffic accidents? Makes no sense at all. No one claimed ownership, except the guy who sent up "flares" attached to balloons! PLEASE! Bessie ps - Coat to Coast covered some of this last night...
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Post by lilsissy on Apr 25, 2008 16:26:08 GMT -5
Prevenge, I saw a U.F.O. . It was no blimp . It was angular . The light surrounding it was seen across many states. It lite up the sky and then it would go dark and then light up again . It looked as if it were experiencing an energy crisis. I saw the hugh object come almost to a halt then speed off in the blink of an eye. It was reported on the news as a meteorite that hit a trailer park in Canada in August 1995. Like I said it was totally angular with beautiful florescent lights. I don't know if we made it but I kind of am guessing it was ours just top secret stuff. Has anyone seen the you tube of that guy who worked for Lockheed Martin. He explains it pretty well. I will see if I can find it for the board. Lilsissy This looks like what you are talking about, www.engadget.com/2007/01/22/lockheed-martin-to-build-high-altitude-airship-for-homeland-secu/This is interesting www.nanotechbuzz.com/50226711/lockheed_martin_to_develop_seedsized_nano_air_vehicle.php
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Post by lilsissy on Apr 25, 2008 16:58:53 GMT -5
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Post by prevenge on Apr 25, 2008 19:45:46 GMT -5
holy crap.
listen this is the EXACT
the EXACT REACTION THEY WANT
they want you to think its freaking ALIENS
sure.. i think alien beings exist. believe me i've read more than i sohuld have on the subject.
but listen VERY CLOSELY.
it s a BIG BLACK triangle shaped BLIMP
it operates by filling gigantic metal hulls full of lighter - than- air gasses that allow it to effeciently remain afloat in the atmosphere.
we're not talking your grand dad's blimps.
no world war 2 blimps.. no good year commercial bilboards...
giant black triangular derringers.
you can think it was an alien or whatever.
i'm sure MANY MANY MANY unidentified craft are alien..
but these giant football field sized craft are U.S. military and they're designed to move huge masses of populations from hazardous areas to "different locations".
and no.. the military does not want to brag about this.
you think they want people nagging them with questions as to why they have giant floating fortresses that have huge payload bay doors on the bottom big enough to suck up houses into them?
just say "hoax" on tv .. or ... (in the middle of fire-warning-season) .. say it's a guy lighting fire flares attached to balloons. and don't arrest him for endangering airspace or risking arson.
just do that and the people will chuckle to themselves thinking "you cant fool me with your hoax hah!" and they will go back to sleep.
i knoooow who scarborough is. i know how sleazy he is.
but hell.. go ahead and think they're aliens.
the military could just as easily fake attacks with flying saucers that have been in development since the 30's..and people would run around like in a video game screaming "the aliens are invading" as they're vaporized running down the streets. . and the population would be reduced massively.. and the load ... the massive weight would be lifted off of the planet's shoulders.
thing is you'd never know.
but these giant black angular craft.
military zeppelins that use heated air to stay in the atmosphere. (remember not soft and balooney... HARD AND METALLY)
-M
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Post by prevenge on Apr 25, 2008 19:53:10 GMT -5
by the way bessie... he's being sarcastic ... he's talking double talk.. sayic actual things.. using sarcastic tone.. to make you think it's even that more ludicrous. but if you believed what he said.. with the tone he said it in.. is kind of strange because i normally would think someone's joking.. but he was intentionally joking. and they use the "helium balooon" excuse... which is double talk because that's exactly what it is. lying while telling the truth. -M
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Post by lilsissy on Apr 25, 2008 20:19:15 GMT -5
When I say I saw a U.F.O. I simply mean unidentified flying object. It is my gut reaction that what I saw our military manufactured. I do however believe that aliens exist because of some of the ancient accounts . My boyfriend said that triangle on Joe clip is the Aurora , he has seen documentation of it's existence. What I saw in 1995 was black with blue piercing lights it could have been a triangle but I saw it side view and I could not tell it's over-all shape. The most outstanding thing about it was how it almost came to a stop in the sky then shot like a bat out of hell in a 90 degree angle toward downtown Detroit . It was reported to have hit a trailer park and started a fire in Canada. Later News reports claimed that investigators could not find traces of a meteorite that would normally be expected at the crash site in the trailer park. I have since found records of this incident on the computer . It is called the Windsor incident. lilsissy Here is a report on it but it was also on the local news channel. www.netowne.com/ufos/ufo-coverups/windsor.htm The footage showed the sky growing bright and then dark coming in a foward motion .
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Post by prevenge on Apr 25, 2008 20:35:08 GMT -5
there you go.
i think making immediate assumptions and conclusions about these things one way or another is dangerous.
a little research.. like what you and your BF did... like i did... can give you a bit more accuracy.
thumbs up lil sis.
-M
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Post by bessie on Apr 26, 2008 15:38:54 GMT -5
Prev - I don't agree. I don't think Joe was joking. And I've been paying much closer attention to these phenomena since my personal nightmare began. If I can wrap my mind around THIS horror show, then anything is possible. Did you see the films of the Jan Texas sightings and interviews with the observers? It's for real... Bessie
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Post by skytroll on Apr 26, 2008 19:45:51 GMT -5
I think he was talking about the MJ12, was on history channel last week. This was on after the following show. Majestic 12 supposedly in operation again. mmmmmmmm Where is Ike when ya need him? 1952 treaty with the devil? spirit world maybe?
After the show where they found high blood counts with the guy from Virginia, and another from Ohio, I believe, could those be the the non blood cells that have been developed, maybe the same that Cliff Carnicom found in chemtrails.
That means these are coming from chemtrails.
They even mentioned alien/human hybrid on that show.
Majestic 12, one of the secret science coverup socieities. They seem to be able to slice between the two factions.
However, sure sounds like Artificial Intelligence to me, meaning the man/machine hybrid.
I think the aliens were created as well, using humans as the subjects, I do not think aliens were found at Roswell, I think the alien was created and sent in the new space crafts, you know like the monkeys were in the 50s and 60s. And then crashed or shot down by our own space crafts of weapons on the ground.
Sure tells a convincing story doesn't it?
Sees disinfo climbs on disinfo meanwhile building the human/machine/nano/DNA/ creature, a chimeric that could look like a drummed up alien.
But, then again this might be from the ether, the spirit world...........
There are good and bad spirits, right? good and bad angels? right?
New science, from Archimedes to Hawkings, book by Clifford Pickle (sp)
Might be good to look at.
Space dust? mmmmm Smart Dust? simililar
Like Pahs in out space Pahs on Earth Tholins from Titan Kerogens on Earth(near the Archaea) Nanobacteria from meteorites or Archaea on earth.
Scientists are doing simulations of these things.
So tholins in space are created by kerogens on earth Space dust is created by Smart dust
you see the connection?
I think this is all secret science, and CERN is at the center, can move matter, can collide atoms, can make nano dark matter vortexes.
Is set to go off in May.
Say there is no harm.
Hawkings does not like the idea of the dark matter vortexes being created for testing.
Simulations, mimics, etc.
skytroll
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Post by prevenge on Apr 26, 2008 21:02:09 GMT -5
right on skytroll.
the "first contact" is going to be a "practice run" ... a "fire drill" .
with humans behind it.. studying how people globally react.. and fine-tuning the process.
only when people have finally chilled out.. controlled.. etc..
will the public to be allowed to actually "meet" ... another actual inteligent species.
all of this was hypothesized and postulated back in the late 1800s.. jules verne.. george orwell etc...
the potential impact it would have on humanity.. the economic value it would have.. etc..
real or not.
the "first contact" will be fake.
a practice run.. a "training run".
-M
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Post by bessie on Apr 27, 2008 12:43:41 GMT -5
Sky & Prev - No question, there is much disinformation - but it cuts both ways. When they are working on something they don't want us to know about - it's "alien". BUT, when it's alien, it's "baloons" and "flares", etc. Have you ever looked closely at the background in the Mona Lisa? Was our military doing stuff then? Bessie
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Post by prevenge on Apr 27, 2008 14:23:59 GMT -5
I know what you're talking about . you mean the Madonna painting, not mona lisa actually there ARE a number of hidden ingenious measurements using the phi ratio and the golden spiral in a number of davinci's work, including the mona lisa. I'm not saying there isn't TONS of circumstantial evidence and reports from credible military sources about the existence of extra-terrestrial intervention. I'm not saying that they're aren't many alien craft out there. in the skies.. most likely pre-dating human history even. what I'm saying is that these giant black delta craft that keep on playing peek-a-boo over major population centers. .and highways.. I'm saying they're very human. there are TONS of different types of ufos.. and for people to all scream "they're ALL alien" is ... not a smart thing to do. I'm saying that it would be in the powers that be's interest to take charge and "stage" an "invasion" or "intervention" ... on their own.. using their own technology to climatize the population to the factuality of this phenomenon.. rather than agreeing that the extra-terrestrials do it on their own.. thusly omitting all control over the situation .. forever. also.. what if the extra-terrestrials.. have said they'd never invade. or intercede in humanity' development on a mass scale.. at last not "knowingly to the public".. if that's the case.. then the powers that be could freely "act the role" of the "invaders" ... thusly bringing the world together against "one common enemy".. especially when islamic terrorism has lost it's "oomph" as a sentiment herding device. just sayin... everyone's all "oooh come help us .. ooh come visit us" ... you asked for it.. you got it. is it what you really want? are you willing to take that risk? especially if the world's energy crisis has hit a peak.. and food crisis has caused famine.. an "the visitors" .. offer .."perfect solutions" to these problems... authentic visitors or not. (human engineered) regarding the "most important event in human history"... do you think people in charge would want to MAINTAIN control... or loose it? if they didn't want to loose it.. what steps would they have to take in order to insure that control. just something to think about . -M
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Post by bessie on Apr 27, 2008 15:52:30 GMT -5
Right - sorry - Madonna. But you have to dumb it down. So - these huge craft are meant to clean up CAR ACCIDENTS? But it's a big military secret? I watch all the UFO shows I can - esp on the History channel - and there are several experts who appear on many of these shows who have been tracking this stuff for MANY years - they disagree with you. Do you really think we have a craft the size of a football field that takes 5 minutes to go over a house from about 30 feet up? So how is it we have so many problems with our space shuttles - "disinformation" - goodbye Sally Ride? I think you are giving the "people" who control us far too much credit for intelligence. Did you know that Furby toys were not allowed at work (I think it was the National Security Council - brain fog here) because the honchos were nervous about their capacity to "learn". And I don't know WHO or WHAT is going to save this mess - global warming, dying bees, dying bats, GMOs, famine - maybe no one, huh? I'm betting on God. And MAYBE he'll send something quite unusual in His place. Bessie
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Post by prevenge on Apr 27, 2008 16:15:32 GMT -5
i think that it's a number one priority.. that you are led to believe that the people in control are not intelligent enough to do specific things.
but wait a second.. they're too dumb to have thought of how beneficial you believing that would be to them, right?
so i guess someone smart OUTSIDE the government will think of that tactic... and not sell it to them. because the govn't is too inept and lacks the funds to invoke that to occur. riiiight?
and who's this "we" anyway?
"we went to the moon" ... "we have this shuttle" .. "we have football field sized craft"
in what way are you .. or me connected or included into this "we"?
by tax dollars? by being a citizen of the same land-mass that these entities who do these things are doing them on?
there is no we
... they did this by using your tax dollars.. to construct and reverse engineer specific technologies...
and you're not privy to it.
History channel as cannon on ufology? come on.
the Hearst Corporation shares ownership of A&E Entertainment (which produces the History Channel's Programming) along with Disney and NBC Universal, who is owned by General Electric.
you're going to hear what they want you to hear about the subject matter. not the truth. and you're going to hear form "experts" (information-priests) on ufology.. that will tell you what they want you to hear.
that's all you're gonna get.
you really believe that every amount of data that has been gleaned technologically from higher civilizations has been open and honestly shared with you? do you even think 1% of that has been?
you really believe that after millenias of accumulated military strategizing, and mastery of the art and science of war, that the one power in the world who maintains current dominance, and has up till now, dominated the entire planet, is in some way ... .... intelligently deficient?
as in they can't do literally anything they desire?
you must have missed the 3 trillion in defense spending that was announced missing by Rumsfeld on 9/10.
you really think that you are part of the "we" that achieves all these magnificent achievements of mankind?
because you payed some tax dollars? somehow you and I are connected to it's inception? or somehow you and I can take credit for those achievements by including ourselves in the "we"?
unless you're a very successful media tycoon or government official or scientist involved in the ACTUAL sculpting of history and major developments in human scientific understanding...
i don't think that you or i are a part of the "we" unless we contribute to "our" advancement in some outstanding, as of yet un-thought of, way.
-M
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Post by prevenge on Apr 28, 2008 19:23:27 GMT -5
I think you are giving the "people" who control us far too much credit for intelligence. think about what you just said. "the people that control us"... how much credit for intelligence does someone who CONTROLS YOU need? they control you. they have enough intelligence to have DONE THAT. to control you and your life and your food and fuel and water and air. they control you. end of story. Henry Kissinger at the Bilderberger Conference in Evians, France, 1991 is reported to have said, “Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e. an ‘alien’ invasion], whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government.”
“The UFO investigator and lecturer Nono Hayakawa says this plan is called ‘Project Panic’ and that high technology equipment will be used to create an optical illusion of a UFO invasion. This will give governments and the United Nations the excuse to call a global state of emergency and all those emergency powers and executive orders will be implemented.” -David Icke, “The Biggest Secret” (486)
-M
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