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Post by bessie on Apr 25, 2008 18:00:15 GMT -5
A book written by William Cooper, who was murdered in 2001. Here is one of his statements: "...History is replete with whispers of secret societies... The oldest is the Brotherhood of the Snake, also called the Brotherhood of the Dragon, and it still exists under many different names. The Brotherhood of the Snake is devoted to guarding the 'secrets of the ages' and the recognition of Lucifer as the one and only true God... It's secret symbol is the all-seeing eye in the pyramid." "...the heart of the Bilderberg Group consists of 39 total members of the Illuminati. The three committees are made up exclusively of members of all different secret groups that make up the Illuminati, the FREEMASONS, the VATICAN, and the BLACK NOBILITY. This committee works year round in offices in Switzerland. "Cooper states that he has traced the history of the nefarious Illuminati all the way back to the Ancient Temple of Wisdom in Cairo, long before the birth of Christ. 'The Illuminati exist today under many different names and many different occupations.' Cooper told us. 'They practice Hegalian conflict/resolution. They appear to oppose each other at the bottom ranks, but at the highest levels they are actually organizing and controlling the conflict which they have created to produce the solution that they seek. "'The Illuminati are extremely powerful, very wealthy men. They believe that they are the guardians of the secrets of the ages. They believe that the vast majority of people would not know what to do with the real knowledge and the real truth and the real science -- and would, in fact, misuse them all. They further believe that everything that they do is for the ultimate betterment and survival of humankind -- even if it means killing two billion people to reach their goal...'" -William Cooper
Well, that number is now up to about 5 or 6 billion.
Bessie
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Post by prevenge on Apr 25, 2008 19:11:44 GMT -5
this May..
the population reaches 6 billion 6 thousand and 6 hundred or something like that.
study astronomy and numerology... it's the basis behind every event they cause to occur.
for instance.. every time venus and earth's resonant orbits of the sun line up.. there's a major terrorist attack.. actually if you let 5 venus-earth alignments pass..viewed from above the solar plane... you have a perfectly geometric pentagram.
same with mercury.. forming a star of david. the dates of these alignments... very curious.. the massive world events that transpire then.
but one thing... i have to give to them...
if you're really ruling a world such as ours... with all the maniacal backstabbing hurtful cruel people in it... you must have to be some seriously take-no-chit people with literally the weight of the world on your shoulders.. which forces you to USE the most effective means available to mold the world slowly into utopia (their goal.. the great work)
and many people don't think utopia is possible... because of our "human condition"... i doubt those people that think that consider the options of circumventing that "human condition" by major social revolutions... in education, child-raising, gene-therapy, etc.. essentially.. evolution in action. the computer.. changing it's programming.
though... if Lucifer is an actual alien entity that they worship... he could.. after all.. merely be tricking them.. to essentially... use earth as a "sieve for souls" .. breeding out all the negative breeds of humans by placing the carrot in front of them.. and if they follow.. they will all be magnetized to that specific carrot..promised salvation by the fruits of their labor.. their providence...and eventually.. you've segregated those who are purely selfish and viewed by others as "evil"
thus.. you can pick from your "crop" the beautiful good souls.. . and press the dumpster button on the negative ones.. recognizing and LEARNING which genetic codes and environmental aspects cause man to be evil. insuring lucifer's peers, his fellow kind's own survival.
because if lucifer guides cutthroat human beings.. the only logical viewpoint would be that he's doing it because he needs to stay close to his enemy.
because if they're brought up since childhood to be so evil and selfish...who's to say they wouldn't' grow powerful enough eventually to destroy HIM.
what better way to both grow the industries of the civilization at the FASTEST RATE (by the power thirsty) .. and causing a contrast to the "meek".. the good hearted loving giving people. what better way to "grow intelligence" in the universe.. .propagating conciousness in a planetary laboratory... a "garden of eden full of your beautiful genetic creations... then bring forth your masterpiece in your image.. man...
and trick him into thinking that you're evil.. and that "evil is the way of the universe".. and you must prove to me that you are "as i am" .. "at whatever cost" ...
pretty much running his own military training drill by raising a vicious breed of species...
in containment..
and in the end.. he records these evil destructive human's DNA genome.. for future reference in case in the infinite universe he comes upon any other species where this genetic information will come in handy to use as reference.. or .. to merely make sure to know what NOT to let grow.
and in the same swath he destroys his evil selfish followers.. he preserves the dna and resurrectsthe ones that behave in a communal, harmonious, life-respecting and honorable way.
if any alien .. propagating intelligent life in the universe DIDN'T follow this method... they'd be OUT OF A JOB PRETTY DAMN FAST.
killed by their own creation.. or if not that.. at least unleashing a plague upon the universe...
imagine that.. evil men with ultra advanced technology .. allowed to run through the universe and do anything they want.
.... fine print : not in the interest of the creator(s).
obviously hypothetically speaking... according to the rulers of the world's belief that lucifer is an actual alien being that created the earth and humans.
(lucifer is actually only once mentioned in the bible and never in correlation with the devil)
whether you are an evil person who murders millions...
or a loving person that enjoys giving others pleasure..
IF a higher alien intelligence (god, lucifer, yaweh, elohim ..etc)...
DID create us.. and are guiding us...
if you're evil..
you're screwed.
why?
because the MATH proves it. the BASE LOGIC proves it.
purely on the point of - the will to survive of that of the creator(s)
no creator would create something that would eventually evolve to a level of technological prowess enough to destroy him and his creation... ...without INTIMATELY involving him/themselves.. within the legions of genetic strains(personalities) = PEOPLE.. that would threaten him/them eventually.
unless the creator(s) were all collectively suicidal,
in which case.. who would want to follow a suicidal higher intelligence anyway?
the math, the logic proves it. regardless of faith, opinion, and bias.
end of story.
so in this light, you could consider Lucifer as doing you a favor by guiding these individuals.
sieving out the bad seeds.
while the "meek" evolve their personalities towards harmony and respect and love... eventually possibly being resurrected by their recorded genetic information, gifted by the creators with everlasting biological immortality, elimination of suffering and labor, and technology tens, if not hundreds of thousands of years in advance...
why?
because he/they (god , lucifer, yahweh, elohim) would trust you with it.
because you're not evil. (totally selfish and parasitic)
are you??
think the movie "Terminator" .. man creates intelligent machines... the machines destroy man... through time travel no less...
which "machines" do you want to make sure survive.. and which machines do you want to make sure never propagate again?
the ones that destroy you? or the ones that don't.
better stick close to the ones that would destroy you. because they're the ones that would have "taken power"...
so LEAD them. to their own demise... through no fault other than their own selfish decisions.
-M
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Post by teller on Apr 26, 2008 1:20:54 GMT -5
pardon me if this offends anyone. you never know when someone might be needing it though.
God, give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed, Courage to change the things which should be changed, and the Wisdom to distinguish the one from the other.
Living one day at a time, Enjoying one moment at a time, Accepting hardship as a pathway to peace, Taking, as Jesus did, This sinful world as it is, Not as I would have it, Trusting that You will make all things right, If I surrender to Your will, So that I may be reasonably happy in this life, And supremely happy with You forever in the next.
Amen.
JT
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Post by bannanny on Apr 26, 2008 2:05:13 GMT -5
Amen Amen Amen!
The devil is running rampant right now in this world.
What is the right thing and the only thing (in my eyes) to do right now?
Get as close to God as you can....... thanking Him for who we are
and without ever missing a day,
continue to pray for one another as we've never prayed before.
We'll make it thru if we have God in our heart.
With all the love I can give ~~ bannanny
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Post by teller on Apr 26, 2008 3:03:28 GMT -5
hi bannany. yes, amen. we can rest assured that God will claim His people and throw those mentioned above of into the lake of fire.
JT
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Post by godog on Apr 26, 2008 3:30:54 GMT -5
'Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents, and nothing shall by any means hurt you'----
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Post by prevenge on Apr 26, 2008 3:42:41 GMT -5
maintain the idea...
hypothetically..
spiritually..
that there MAY be an instance...
..a situation...
where you sit ..
there..
with your peers..
and view all the atrocities and horrors put upon humanity... ... by certain individuals...
you watch them unfold in front of your eyes.
do you demand just punishment?
or do you refrain and ask for amnesty for these people...?
I've thought of this so many times.. if such an instance was presented to me....
if a complete "humanity - ultimatum " ..
was put into view of all human souls that have ever lived..
and would the "service-to-others" type people ..decide on exacting complete and utter bloodthirsty vengeance upon those which have constantly plagued our global culture with pain and dis-ease for so long?....
i think i .. personally...
would have to say no.. i wouldn't exact vengeance on them.
i wouldn't maintain pure empathy and freedom to them either.
i'd understand that their "being" .. needed severe study..
and repair.
...
but i'd have to resist the ultimate feeling of vengeance against them.
mainly.. because..
that mentality is only propagating their mentality.,,'''old cinema cliche.. whatever.. its evolutionary truth.
im sleepy and tired . night.
-M
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Post by godog on Apr 26, 2008 14:56:12 GMT -5
I don't think I could even sit on a jury. It would be tough to judge the depraved people that rule the world. Humane but tough. A bullet in the head for the truly evil, and that is as humane as it gets. Like shooting a rabid dog.
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Post by hughestewbee on Apr 26, 2008 15:17:44 GMT -5
About a year ago I read that 666 was deemed an incorrect number by top theologists. The number was 617 I believe.
Just like all this time Judas was a "bad guy". Turns out his actions were instrumental in what would unfold after the death of Christ.
So now, Judas is a good guy and 666 was grossly transcribed throughout the centuries.
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Post by godog on Apr 26, 2008 15:26:40 GMT -5
They said the same thing about salt. Haha. I usually go with the first impression but not always. We have to discern things for ourselves. Actually, if someone told me Judas was a good guy I'd have to take that with a grain of salt. The problem is, we can't really discuss this much in a public forum. There are 2 paths. That's all I am going to say. And also, I'm not well read with the Bible and that's bad because I have my Grandma's well worn King James Version Bible. But my King James Bible was the only thing around in our house growing up.
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Post by bessie on Apr 26, 2008 15:27:29 GMT -5
Prev - You are sometimes (often!) difficult to follow, ethereal as you are! I know you have trouble with the concept of God (or Source, etc). It's really quite simple; there either IS a Supreme Being, Who knows all and can control all, or there isn't. The "isn't" probability is just more unbelievable than the "is". With that said, I truly believe that ONLY God can trump this demon that has been unleashed. When? Maybe 12/21/2012. Bessie
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Post by hughestewbee on Apr 26, 2008 15:42:03 GMT -5
the six headed beast?
the mark of the beast lesions?
Job suffered greatly with a skin disease. In the end his peace restored, his faith never shaken.
Judas and 666 verified by the Vatican.
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Post by skytroll on Apr 26, 2008 20:04:18 GMT -5
Roswell,
7/7/7/
July 7th 1947
mmmmmmm
777?
The beginning of the marking? Using humans? rather than aliens?mmmmm
spirit world,
Air, Fire, Water, Earth.
The four elements.
Could God be science, the burning bush, and the power to change metals to gold?
Magic or real science, used for good or evil?
The holy grail? the same, one can live forever? by using a certain compound.
One can start fires with it, the proper Alchemy.
Alchemy can be used for evil, magic, good, healing, or message from the outer limits like a burning bush, wildfires out west, chemtrails, in buckyballs?
Metal in a cell capsid, the artificial seed, artificial DNa, RNA, etc.
Fibers, proteins? there are artificial proteins.
peptides, there are artificial peptides
Transhumanism is about Artificial Life.
SKytroll
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Post by skytroll on Apr 26, 2008 20:06:53 GMT -5
Who is playing God here? or that higher power from the outer limits, the other power is on earth, the sin of eve? She ate of the food, ? ......... of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, not the tree of Life.
God may have more mysteries?
It is about Discovery, not about being God!
SKytroll
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Post by skytroll on Apr 26, 2008 20:08:54 GMT -5
What is Sin? how come after Eve at the apple, there is now sin and punishment through suffering? welll..........mmmm.........
So, naked DNA vs. Clothed DNA? mmmmm
more thinking going on here. Great thread.
Skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Apr 26, 2008 20:09:25 GMT -5
Too darned cold here to run around Naked!
Skytroll
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Post by Jill on Apr 27, 2008 10:00:18 GMT -5
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Post by bessie on Apr 27, 2008 12:49:11 GMT -5
By the way, Cooper was a former military intelligence officer - he predicted a major "thinning" of the population, spoke of secret societies running things, and had a lot to say about ufo's and aliens. Here is a video of him speaking: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-729985813912005672And then he was murdered. Bessie
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Post by prevenge on Apr 28, 2008 16:10:24 GMT -5
Prev - You are sometimes (often!) difficult to follow, ethereal as you are! I know you have trouble with the concept of God (or Source, etc). It's really quite simple; there either IS a Supreme Being, Who knows all and can control all, or there isn't. The "isn't" probability is just more unbelievable than the "is". With that said, I truly believe that ONLY God can trump this demon that has been unleashed. When? Maybe 12/21/2012. Bessie Probabilities can only be derived from facts that you currently are aware of. As our "facts" keep expanding.. the probability will go in favor of either direction. Right now, the public scientific community at large pushes more towards the probability of there being no ultimate conscious being in control of everything. but who's to say that hasn't been discovered and is being kept secret? I never said I have a problem with the idea of there being a "Father" "source".. or a "holy (WHOLE-Y) spirit" .. meaning "all conciousness" .. and I haven't fought the idea that there is a "son (SUN)" .. a physically incarnated life-source I think the deepest level of religious faith can be accomplished eventually through science and experience. Using logical deduction, development of the intellect, and personal character. I don't think a supremely evolved being, an Architect of the Universe, will favor the providence of someone sitting around smoking cigarettes on a computer all day every day hoping that God will save them. I think "the God" would more or less favor the fortune of those who are striving to improve themselves and their inner persona's behavior and character towards a more refined and adept level of conciousness, efficiency, intelligence, and unconditional love. I don't shut my mind off to all possibilities because a book that has been edited thousands of times according to the Roman Empire's wishes to control people says those possibilities are off limits for me to contemplate, and still evolve spiritually. I will however, look into the actual gnostic teachings of christ, and christhood, the golden light.. within all of us.. and his steps he taught on how to achieve his glory that were censored out of the bible along with his missing gospels. I value the ideas that the character in the bible represented as Jesus Christ really taught, about christened conciousness and spiritual development so much, that I inversely proportionally find little or no respect for the church today, or the common practices and teachings within the bible as cannon. but you know what... thats my thing. if your thing brings you peace and happiness through troubled times, such as these, especially with what we're going thrgouh...then there you go. I wouldn't want to try to take that away from you for whatever reason. I only think that confiding too much in a separate mind that controls everything to take care of everything someday.. is dangerous. What if the sheep believed that the shepherd would save them from the wolf that was chasing them off the cliff? would they just keep running off the cliff and hope that the shepherd was at the bottom to catch them all? or would they stop their charge toward the cliff edge, and face the wolf, knowing that the shepherd feeds and cares for them, but in times of trouble, they have to take care of themselves. one may say "but god is sooo much more than a simple shepherd" and I'd say "and you are soooo much more than a simple sheep" consider the lyrics from this song by a band I used to listen to alot growing up... it's called "The Science of Myth"If you've ever questioned beliefs that you hold you're not alone But you oughtta realize that every myth is a metaphor
in the case of Christianity and Judaism there exist the belief that spiritual matters are enslaved to history...
The Buddhists believe that the functional aspects override the myth while other religions use the literal core to build foundations with
See half of the world sees the myth as fact while it's seen as a lie by the other half and the simple truth is that it's none of that and somehow no matter what the world keeps turning
Somehow we get by without ever learning somehow no matter what the world keeps turning Somehow we get by without ever learning...
SCIENCE AND RELIGION ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE!
In fact, for better understanding, we take the facts of science and apply them
And if both factors keep evolving.. then we continue getting information..
but closing off all possibilities makes it hard to see the bigger picture..
Consider the case of the women whose faith helped her make it through when she was raped and cut up left for dead in a trunk her beliefs held true
See it doesn't matter if it's "real" or not, 'cause some things are better left without a doubt and if it works then it gets the job done Somehow no matter what the world keeps turning
Somehow we get by without ever learning somehow no matter what the world keeps turning Somehow we get by without ever learning somehow no matter what the world keeps turningSo I believe that "God" .. is "MORE" than just what you're told he is. so much more. and your potential as a spiritual being.. IN THIS LIFE..is so much more than what you're told it is... not just waiting till you die to experience bliss.. And to keep an open mind about him, and his universe(s)... is to keep your mind open to all. -M
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Post by skytroll on Apr 28, 2008 16:42:56 GMT -5
Think of the Bible as a science book. It is amazing, huh Prevenge?
Many oils, in there, many mysteries, maybe could be explained by science.
the Bible is a metaphor, if one looks at in from writer's eyes.
Who said any other books are superior or inferior to the Bible?
Who said any other thoughts were superior or inferior to those understand both sciene and religion?
Religion is just one form of belief, spirituality is where it really is.
and that is in religion as well,
What is the knowledge of the Tree of Good and Evil?
What is that knowledge? The holy grail, the templars secrets, the priory of sion secrets, the Rhoades scholar secrets, the illuminati secrets, the free masons, the Jason society of scientists, there are others.
comes down to Alchemy, both good and bad.
Sorcery and Magic, Evil and good, and then there is the curiosity, of finding the unknown.
God is in nature, we are god like, Natural powers can still be distinguished from technology that can move mountains. Elemental my dear Watson.
It is in the Elements..........
All of it.
Therein lies the answer.
What is the soul?
SKytroll
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