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Post by belikewater on May 15, 2008 20:00:16 GMT -5
Thanks for all the opinions, here. And Sid, thank you for E-mailing me the info. about the conference CDs.
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Post by cyn on May 16, 2008 1:00:54 GMT -5
TONI, LOOK AT THE THIRD PICTURE DOWN. tinyurl.com/4g7q6dtHESE CAME FROM THE SEARCH PAGE THAT SIDNEY FOUND. Could the pharnyx be what is protruding on your specimen?
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Post by toni on May 16, 2008 8:40:40 GMT -5
CYN, YES!!! That sure as heck is it! That is the (pharnyx). I guess it was choking on my "mixes" I put on it, haha
Yesterday I looked at some of those pics of Sid's link (THANK YOU SID) and thought about about that too.
But Cyn, you've found the perfect pic! ((( Thank you CYN ))!! I'd sure say (that's a match) for it being the pharnyx!
Life,, Can you tell me what the "Oxy", has in it? I'm really curious please.
And I can appreciate everything you've said...except this:
Quote:
( And for those of you out there who are reading about Opaline Oxy, and what Toni thinks of Dr. Hildy, )
Life, what is that sentence suppose to mean? That is NOT cool AT ALL.
I removed my angry comment, sorry I was irked.
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Post by toni on May 16, 2008 8:44:01 GMT -5
Hi Caaaaarie,
How I got this specimen out of my lesion, I was applying (antimicrobial waterless hand sanitizer gel mixed with ground cumin) then dabbed and dabbed on the lesion.
Then I dabbed and dabbed (milk and plain yog mixed together) on top of that....and things float up (out of the tunnel) right up to the surface of the skin where I lift them out with a needle.
Carrie, I'll apply the iodine soon and post.
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Post by toni on May 16, 2008 10:02:58 GMT -5
Well, there's a PDF I cannot copy to show you really an exact match of every feature my critter in the pic matches. It looks to be the phylum Acoelomorpha, (Acoela) which there's not alot of pictures on this (platyhelminth) and I was only able to see it in that PDF, (a pic that matches everything on my critter). They also have this "bulbous pharynx". Unreal this is! It appears these eat "algae". And the funny part is they're not parasitic to "humans"...right. I'd sure like to know what it was doing DEEP in my face. I've also written and sent the pictures of my critter to 7 different depts of zoology so far. I'm sending the pics all day long today, till someone responds from somewhere...cause this is tooooo weird. ========================================= Correction, the Acoela is not a platyhelminth. From another article: Acoel Flatworms: Earliest Extant Bilaterian Metazoans, Not Members of Platyhelminthes Iñaki Ruiz-Trillo, 1 Marta Riutort, 1 D. Timothy J. Littlewood, 2 Elisabeth A. Herniou, 2 Jaume Baguñà 1* Because of their simple organization the Acoela have been considered to be either primitive bilaterians or descendants of coelomates through secondary loss of derived features. www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/283/5409/1919
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Post by toni on May 16, 2008 11:43:02 GMT -5
Well...so far I've sent out about 20 more letters to zoologists, and I've received 2 replies back, both asking "where I got this" specimen...and for more pictures.
I sent more pictures.
I only told the one person "where I got it, which was out of a lesion and I asked for help on what to do. I told him I have hundreds of what appears to be them also coming out of my lesion daily."
So...we'll see what happens. I'll let you know.
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Post by gradysghostii on May 16, 2008 11:50:04 GMT -5
I only told the one person "where I got it, which was out of a lesion and I asked for help on what to do. I told him I have hundreds of what appears to be them also coming out of my lesion daily."
Is there a pizza delivery van parked outside your house yet with a satellite dish on it? Just kidding, perhaps you should tell them they're coming out of your dog or something, you might get further?
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Post by toni on May 16, 2008 12:07:01 GMT -5
I know.
This is what I just got back in an email from one of the many I've written, (this professor I didn't tell where I got it) just sent him pictures.
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It’s hard to say what it would be, other than “Planarian”- Sorry I can’t be of more help
Joseph R. Bidwell, Ph.D.
Associate Professor Department of Zoology 430 Life Sciences West Oklahoma State University Stillwater, OK 74078
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Post by Sidney on May 16, 2008 14:21:45 GMT -5
OK, here's my own take on this.
I think Cyn has made a great and major find. Thank you, Cyn.
Thank you Toni-Sue for your perseverance and dedication, countless hours. thank God you're young enough to be my daughter, because I'm feeling really old these days, and often just don't have the stamina or will to keep going.
Belikewater, you are MOST welcome and thanks for mentioning it.
Toni-Sue, tell the truth regardless. If a critter originates in a facial lesion, tell it like it is. This disease is a living nightmare for all who live with it. Nothing is ever gained by glossing over the truth or outright lying.
White lies to save someone emotional pain is an exception to the rule....
Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, OK has an excellent Biology department with many fine parasitologists and entomologists.
It's always been my hope that eventually that group in Stillwater would offer their assistance and expertise to Dr. Randy Wymore, OSU-CHS, Tulsa.
Thanks to all of you who help in so many ways. We should each be so grateful that we are not indivually fighting this battle for truth and recognition on our own, but are part of an enormous population of suffering humanity who refuse to quit until we reach our goal.
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Post by cyn on May 17, 2008 0:00:26 GMT -5
Toni,
I was hoping, for your sake, that the lesion closed up after you got THAT out. Not so, huh? I have, in the past, found it so hard when you only have one lesion to close. I was never successful. Better luck to you!
Sidney,
Your extra sweet, and I'm always wishing and hoping for you!
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Post by toni on May 17, 2008 9:50:57 GMT -5
Cyn,
Me too. Here's what I'm seeing now.
There is "life" still in that lesion (critters) are still in there, and until they're all removed, the tunnel remains and the tickly sensation, but it's not the overwhelming movement sensation going on in my face like it has been.
All my other 11 lesions I had, after I got all the "stuff out", the skin healed up.
This last lesion, oh, I thought too that after that Planarian thing I got out, was the last of it and that was it.
But...I'm feeling a slight slight tickly sensation still inside there.
It's like "the babies" are in there still. I can tell they are, as yesterday I picked out hundreds of "immatures" whatever they're called in that stage of this.
I think until they're all killed...they'll grow and keep reproducing. So I'm today ordering some Magnesium Chloride - it's (human supplement) which I've just read about yesterday too, that these are extremely difficult to kill...but they've found that magnesium chloride does kill them.
I'll keep you posted of "if it does or not". I'm going to use the liquid topically, and the capsules internally.
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Post by toni on May 17, 2008 12:00:15 GMT -5
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Post by Sidney on May 17, 2008 19:36:33 GMT -5
First, thanks, Cyn. You're very sweet too, and we appreciate you and what you share here.
Toni Sue, I so hope when the supplements arrive they do the job. You've become the expert on this thing and I wish you 100% success.
It's always the same thing it seems. Over the many years I've been down to one stubborn lesion even though I could always feel the movement in my face far away from the one remaining lesion.
I am so sick of finding human hair in my lesions, the fibers, and other odd stuff that I can't determine whether they're a life form or not. All I know is this disease is horrible beyond all possible description. The hair I've recently found in a lesion on the left side of my jaw line is not my own. Baby fine, very light in color.
Once in a while I find the wiggling, undulating hair looking whatever it is, that will actually seem to strike at a probing finger, undulate, wave from side to side or suddenly droop down against the tweezers I'm holding, only to suddenly jerk back into the combative mode. Crazy, I know, but it does happen.
Someone recently told me that there's a stage of development in "some" worms where they have no cells. Have any of you ever heard that?
There is no way to escape the disease or so it seems. I'm thinking of it as I fall asleep and touching my face as soon as I wake up, wondering if I'm better or worse.
Thinking of each of you as we wage the battle of our lives.
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Post by robertalouise26 on May 17, 2008 20:30:23 GMT -5
dearest Sid I too am fed up with all the wretched hairs, not mine some are Kyras that have penerted my skin with a little parasite attached to it and then the are the frizzy ones and moving ones most are black or white and move sway to and fro. Oh God i have just had it with this thing and the lint balls are all through my clothes and look terrible. Then I have the little hard gritty things pouring out of my skin the last 4 days they seem to be endless. Never mind we must keep going and get to the bottom of this!!!!! I wonder if all these tests I am having will show up anything? ? That would be just fantastic. But our Doctors are so myopic. When I broke my shoulder THEY MISSED MY BROKEN ELBOW!!!!! Done at the same time as the accident!!!!! Hang in there girl!!! Much much love and hugs. Robbie
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Post by toni on May 17, 2008 20:35:49 GMT -5
Thank you Sid, and I know what you mean.
These suckers are amazing, in that nothing really is recommended for "treatments" because they're "not suppose to be parasitic". They do like plants though.
But in reading, in a lab setting (magnesium chloride) will kill em.
What's interesting too is these platyhelminths if cut in half, will grow into two more worms. They crawl around like a gel moving too.
As for the cells in different stages of their growth, I don't know yet.
I did order those supplements (mag chloride) today, so we'll see what happens.
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Post by justhanginin on May 17, 2008 22:43:10 GMT -5
The color of the critter makes sense to me. That amber color was what my critters turned after they hit the porcelain sink. Mine were also about 1/4 inch long and appeared to be oval. I never got to examine them closeup, contaminated the whole batch because the experience caused me to toss my cookies on them. What came out of me was no demodex anything. Looked more like a cat intestinal parasite. I had owned a cat who had intestinal parasites and could have come in contact with them while I was pulling up carpet in the room she hung out in. Yes Toni, I know that the odor we put out attracts insects to us. I've seen it too many times not to believe it. Thanks to homeopathy and a little mother-wit I deal with the fungal aspect of my condition and don't have to deal with any more wildlife. It's not a cure but at least I can live with it. I feel almost normal some days. No more digging and picking at my face , no more crawlies. No more freaking out if someone comes near me. Amazing!
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Post by Jill on May 18, 2008 2:04:28 GMT -5
Hey Toni,
Try the Horseradish sauce (Arby's has some great stuff) on the lesion.
I think it was LilSissy (?) that posted about it a while back. I tried it then- and was amazed- Re-tried it the other day- and I'm telling you- that stuff is amazing.
Apply it on the skin- wait 10 minutes then gently rub-
Jill
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Post by freaky on May 18, 2008 2:17:32 GMT -5
Looks identical to my dogs flukes, & mine. I'd say FOR SURE, yep, BINGO, where's Carrie??? Caaaaarrrrie. Need you. Lord knows, if I be mistaken, please forgive, but I've gotten these from me, & my poochees' everyday for 6 years. Didn't i send you some of these lovelies? Love, freaky
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Post by toni on May 18, 2008 10:31:59 GMT -5
Jjill,
Thank you, and yes, I've tried that, the horseradish too. I eat a couple of spoons of it now a few times a week. Putting it on the lesion it burned really bad, and seriously, the ground cumin with the antimicrobial hand sanitizer works so well for me, and it doesn't burn. It appears these things make a thin tunnel very deep into the skin. So dabbing away ontop the lesion causes "like a plunger effect" and causes them to rise up and out of the lesion tunnel too. And thank you for bringing that up, cause that could help some too.
Freaky,
Something really interesting about these. They're not exactly "flukes" but they're inadvertently in that family. The thing though about Flukes and Planarians...is Flukes we can usually kill off by treating with Biltricide.
But Planarians (nothing they've found kills them but the Magnesium Chloride) in lab settings.
I've ordered this stuff, because it can serve two purposes from my reading.
They've found that Hela Cells also (which are cancerous) can be "reversed" by this mineral Magnesium Chloride. Not that I think I have cancer, but because "Morgellons" seems to be causing total havoc on the body, I believe protecting the cells is very much a big key to preventing any serious problems.
It's only a 7 dollar supplement/mineral...and the body could very much benefit from this....and it kills Planarians.
I'd written to so many professors to help me ID these pictures. So far only 2 replies, but I did this on Friday, so they may not see their emails till Monday (tomorrow).
But the one professor (in the above posts) said it looked to him like Planarian...and from what I've seen from reading...it sure does too. It (by the body description etc) looks like a Turbellarian. They have that "snowball" looking thing which I'm pointing to with the needle in that one picture.
And thanks (GREAT thanks) to Sid and Cyn for the direction to go which was a true find, a match of matches!!! ;D
That (snowball looking thing) is the pharynx. That is very indicative of them. Other species too in that family...and Magnesium Chloride is a mineral the body needs too, and they found it kills these.
So....it's worth taking by the suggested daily amount. I've not found anything harmful to taking Magnesium Chloride, only beneficial....so I can't wait to get it. I'm going to also apply it on the lesion, and see how that goes. But, for the bodies sake, please read about this too, as it may help GREATLY....
Because everything we have tried (all the meds) to kill off these critters isn't or sure hasn't worked for everyone I know, yet in reading....Planarians won't be killed off by anything we'd be taking either. But the Magnesium Chloride will kill them! Maybe this is a piece of the puzzle...I don't know, but I do know, this supplement (which again is a mineral the body needs) and can't hurt to try.
PS...I'd not seen in the specimens you'd sent any of those. But I've not yet gone through every specimen. But if you've seen these...just like these, maybe Freaky check out the Mag Chloride too. If you would like more links, I'm happy to provide them.
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Post by freaky on May 19, 2008 4:14:24 GMT -5
Sorry, I didn't realize there was a page 1 when I posted on page 3. Actually page 1 is page 2, it appears to me. Anyway, just wanted to say I wouldn't have been hollering for Carrie, had I known she was here, & already posted. She's such a smart cookie, & when you get right down to it, she knows her flukes. Hi Carrie. So excited you've strolled back into our lives. You were missed greatly by me.
Recently, I saw what looked like a large worm in my dogs stool, but Bill mowed that sucker into shreds. I also have found 2 worm like things on our blankets. One went through the washing machine, & came out clean as a whistle. I'm going to go on a fluke hunt. Wonder what this wormage deal is. All I ever saw before was flukes, daily, my darlings dropped around the house for me, sweet kids. Again, more flukeage, freaky
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