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Post by Sidney on May 26, 2008 17:11:38 GMT -5
Abstract
A prospective, randomised, open study compared a 7-day course of oral albendazole 800 mg daily with a single oral dose of the parenteral veterinary preparation of ivermectin in 42 Thai patients with chronic strongyloidiasis (21 in each group). The primary endpoints were relief of symptoms (if present) and clearance of Strongyloides larvae from faeces immediately after treatment and at follow-up to 16 weeks later. Cure rates in the albendazole and ivermectin groups were 38.1% and 76.2%, respectively, (P = 0.029) in the intention-to-treat analysis and 50% and 88.9%, respectively, (P = 0.023) in the per-protocol analysis. Acute generalised exanthematous pustulosis developed in one patient who was treated with the veterinary preparation of ivermectin. This study confirms the superiority of ivermectin compared with albendazole as well as that oral use of the parenteral veterinary preparation in humans is as effective and safe as human preparations.
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Post by zabrubon on May 26, 2008 19:45:50 GMT -5
Sid, so your saying if a choice is to be made that Ivermectin is a better choice?
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Post by Sidney on May 26, 2008 20:39:38 GMT -5
My disclaimer is this: I am NOT a medical professional, and I am NOT suggesting taking Ivermectin intended for treating animals, I'm just sharing information that was passed on to me.
I took my first dose of Ivomec Per Os November 5, 1995 wondering if it would kill me. It was recommended by my cousin who is a veterinarian, my OB/GYN (now retired) who always believed I had "parasites" and her good friend, another female who was a pathologist. They all three did extensive research and assured me the Ivomec was safe. Considering the cost of Stromectol compared with Merck Ivomec it was an easy choice.
The following morning I can assure you that colored and clear fibers were literally hanging out of pores in my face. It was beyond "freaky" and when I rubbed Olive Oil into my face in a circular motion more and more fibers emerged.
As I recall, I took Ivomec nightly for seven days.
Eventually, after reading an article by a female Veterinarian who was with a university in the South, I doubled or tripled the dose.
This veterinarian was having 100% success treating Demidocosis in canines who otherwise would have been euthanized. She was doubling the doseage and dosage is based on body weight.
I've taken Albendazole in years past as well as Praziquantil (Biltracide) and Pyrantel Poamate (sp?) and the Ivermectin has always helped me more than any other drug.
Some people can't physically tolerate it, but it never bothered me in any way other than seeing a fluorescent sort of halo around objects in a darkened room. This is apparently a perfectly normal "side effect" and soon went away.
Lyme Literate physicians change their patients antibiotics frequently, just as people who have horses and/or cattle change the meds given to treat "worms" in their livestock.
It seems to me that meds of most types whether prescribed for pain, depression, insomnia, or whatever, eventually lose their effectiveness and it becomes necessary to change to something else.
Sorry to ramble here, as this is much more information that you asked!
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Post by zabrubon on May 26, 2008 20:56:06 GMT -5
Sidney, I was asking because I was just on abendezole for five months and it helped keep my swelling down and my face cleared up but i was exhausted from the medication. Now i am arizithromax ChicagoBonnie
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Post by zabrubon on May 26, 2008 20:59:08 GMT -5
Sidney does anyone need a script to get this stuff from vet? I have a new client who is a vet and maybe I could ask him. But i don't want to tell him why otherwise he may run.
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Post by godsgrace on May 26, 2008 23:11:50 GMT -5
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Post by Sidney on May 26, 2008 23:12:53 GMT -5
www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=IVOMEC+onlinetinyurl.com/3hyzxhThere are likely other websites where you can find Ivomec. Farm - feed stores carry it, and places like Southern Agriculture. I'm assuming Southern Ag is nation-wide, but honestly don't know. I just buy a 50 ml bottle at a feed store in a nearby town, and if you buy it you'll need a large syringe for drawing it out of the bottle. Buy that at the feed store too. No script required. If asked the weight of the "animal" say 200 pounds or something in that range. Each time I purchase Ivomec I am furious that I've been forced to buy animal meds or pay exhorbitant prices for Stromectol.
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Post by Sidney on May 27, 2008 0:21:55 GMT -5
www.alpacas.com/AlpacaLibrary/AlpacaSkinProblems.aspxtinyurl.com/y7vfw2 There's a recipe toward the bottom that sounds very interesting. The Cure Whatever the cause, I have been successfully treating all of the above symptoms for years with a concoction I call “witches brew “. This solution was conjured up by Dr. Jerilynn Booher shortly after I returned from Peru with the book I found in Arequipa. The recipe follows: Witches Brew Recipe Ingredients: 2/3 pint mineral oil 1/5 pint DMSO 8 ml Ivermectin 5 cc Gentamycin (50 mg per ml) Directions The “brew” needs to be applied to the affected area every three days for at least 15 days, maybe more. Make sure that you use rubber gloves when you are applying the mixture. At the beginning of the course of treatment, Dr. Jones recommends an injection of Ivermectin followed by another 15 days later. In addition, I have had a lot of success in curing ear mites by infusing each ear with ½ cc of Ivermectin at the beginning of treatment. Dr. Norm Evans recommended a similar solution in his 2003 book, The Alpaca Field Manual, which he calls “Camelid Skin Mix”. My vet, Dr. Paul Jones, decided that my name for the stuff, “Witches Brew”, was not particularly professional, and he prescribes the same ingredients using the name, “Camelid Skin Solution”. This is how the ingredients interact to affect a cure: The DMSO delivers the Ivermectin through the crusty skin; the mineral oil holds the solution in place; and the Gentamycin acts as an antibiotic and clears up the infections that follow the mites. Please note that I am not, nor do I intend to be giving veterinarian advice here. You will need your veterinarian to make the diagnosis, prescribe the treatment and mix the solution. I have, on occasion, suggested that an alpaca breeder use this formula and their veterinarian has said, after scraping the skin, “There are no mites.” Or, they have insisted that the problem is zinc deficiency. One breeder reported to me that his veterinarian refused to make the solution available because the ingredients would “not mix properly” and they separated. When I shared this concern with Dr. Jones, he agreed, but said that if you simply shook the solution before applying, the problem would resolve itself. Ah, some things are just too simple. If the sore mouth symptoms are really a virus or bacteria, a solution of Nolvasan Scrub (applied to the infected area) might help clear up the condition, but I would follow it with an application of “witches brew” to be safe. In fact, it does not hurt to scrub any affected skin area with Nolvasan before applying the witches brew. You may also want to move your alpacas to a clean pasture after treatment. The mites, or their eggs could collect in the soil and then be picked up by unaffected animals. In any case, I have found that the condition is not widely communicable among herd mates. I have had many, many breeders thank me for recommending this solution over the years. For whatever reason, this solution works on munge and mites of every kind. In fact, in my experience, it even cures zinc deficiency and sunburn! (Just kidding, of course.)
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Post by freaky on May 29, 2008 4:49:42 GMT -5
Sid, you are always so informative. I'm slightly confused, & it's probably because I should be in bed, but is Gentomycin also obtained at at the fed store? It's not really necessary to have your vet put these ingredients together is it? How much does one inject into him, or her self once only? Thank you so much . You're a godsend. Love, freaky PS... Can you drink it, as well? Are the amounts of this adjusted according to body weight? Since I've been taking 2.5 mil. I think of iver,, would I double that? and just double what my vet told me to give the dogs.? Hope I'm not being dumb.
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Post by Sidney on May 29, 2008 10:20:57 GMT -5
Freaky!!! This is a TOPICAL treatment only!
2/3 pint mineral oil
1/5 pint DMSO
8 ml Ivermectin
5 cc Gentamycin (50 mg per ml)
Gentamycin is an antibiotic. I've used it topically in past years. It was in a tube and I think it required a prescription.
Let me work on this recipe a bit and make it easier to understand.
The first change I would recommend is substitute extra virgin olive oil for the mineral oil.
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Post by bessie on May 29, 2008 10:44:40 GMT -5
My first "treatment" for this nightmare was with a Morgellons-savy Infectious disease doctor in FL. I was on Albendazole, Ivermectin, Doxycycline. Within hours I felt better! Short-lived: after 2 weeks my lesions doubled and my blood pressure shot up; she added prednisone to the regimen. I was on other rx meds for MS, hypothyroid, depression. I got so sick I could no longer get out of bed except for an occasional trip to the toilet (I wore adult diapers). I could barely talk, my throat was so inflamed it was virtually closing up. My fingernails were falling off. That was it for me. I weaned off ALL rx meds except bioidenticals (not synthesized from petroleum). I started taking a slew of supplements and using all the natural products that I could get/afford. It's been 6 months and I have to look closely to detect any symptoms all. No lesions (only scars, which are fading). Bessie
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Post by toni on May 29, 2008 13:19:20 GMT -5
That's terrible Bessie what you went though.
The other day I was reading about (steroids/prednisone etc) and prednisone should have helped your inflamation in throat too.
But, here's the kicker to Prednisone or any other steroids.
They suppress the immune, which you probably know.
And ( IF ) a person has an infestation at all of particular parasites...(which you probably do, because you took Ivermectin) for that, steroids will then suppress the immune and that will then allow the parasites to really take over and multiply.
In fact, if I run across it, I'll give you the link, because with certain kinds of parasites, taking steroids could be fatal (in some instances). I'll find it (after I get my computer straightened out) so you can give that to your doc....unless they identified the parasite and knew it was okay.
I'm still messing with my computer, it works, but not like it should be.
So...the worst thing (as per reading about steroids and parasites) the worst a person could do, is take any kind of steroids when they have parasites, because that will definately cause a heavier load of them.
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Post by bessie on May 29, 2008 16:27:39 GMT -5
Toni - I had been tested for parasites (fecal) a month before - was negative. This was her routine protocol for Morgellons; she didn't add the prednisone till after two weeks on the other drugs that made me get worse. I guess the standard view of this among doctors who know a little about it and don't doubt it, is that it is a parasitic infection, hence the standard treatment. I think Mayo clinic does the same thing - but at least they BELIEVE that it's real! Bessie
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Post by toni on May 29, 2008 17:31:11 GMT -5
Oh Bessie, maybe you are one of the few that your system can't tolerate it. Thank goodness your doing much better
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Post by josej on May 29, 2008 21:47:43 GMT -5
To answer Chicago Bonnie's question about whether an Rx is required: No, no prescription necessary. The veterinary version of ivermenctin is product called IVOMEC. This comes in a 50mL bottle, which is supposed to be injected into farm animals. However, I have it on really solid source from an RN that this product is actually more "pure" than the one for human consumption. You don't inject this into yourself (you drink it) but you will need a hypodermic needle to extract it out of the bottle. The dosage is 3mL (3cc) of IVOMEC diluted in a small shot-glass of juice. I'm not sure how often you're supposed to do this. Please get some advice on that. We buy it at a local horse feed & supply store. I just walk in and ask for it, like I know what I'm doing... never had as much as a raised eyebrow. Cost is around $50. Another really amazing product (also at the horse store) is EQUIMAX. This is a paste that contains both ivermectin and praziquantel. They're both strong antihelminthics - antiparasites. We use it by applying it directly on to sores and lesions. Boy, does it work! Makes the critters come out, dead, and stops the itching. This costs around $17 retail, but I found an on-line store that sells it for $9.99. Again, no prescription is required. The usual medical disclaimer goes here. I'm not a medical doctor, so use your own discretion... and don't sue me if you start whinnying around and talking like " Mister Ed".
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Post by Sidney on May 29, 2008 23:47:39 GMT -5
And don't sue Jose if you develop a sudden yen for Hay and Oats, or if that handsome Stallion down the street starts looking pretty good.
The dosage for Ivomec for animals and Stromectol for humans is based on BODY WEIGHT. If you're going to try Ivomec Merck is trhe original manufacturer, but the patent is now out of date and there are knock offs that are cheaper. In fact, I haven't even seen the Merck brand lately, but I'm going to look for it next time I need Ivomec. Merck's quality control could be superior to the knock off brands.
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Post by Sidney on May 30, 2008 0:11:44 GMT -5
Freaky wrote: " PS... Can you drink it, as well? Are the amounts of this adjusted according to body weight? Since I've been taking 2.5 mil. I think of iver,, would I double that? and just double what my vet told me to give the dogs.? Hope I'm not being dumb. "
Again, NOT to be consumed orally. For applying topically only, and I have no idea whether this mix would even be helpful.
I asked Trisha Springstead to help me with this and the following is what she came up with.
1 cc=1ml
15 ccs or mls = 1 tablespoon
3 tablespoons=one ounce.
240 mls are equal to 1 cup
480 mls=2cups
1/3 of one cup is 80 mls
so it is a total of 240+80 mls which equal 320 mls
Here's the Original Recipe for Witches Brew:
Witches Brew Recipe
Ingredients:
2/3 pint mineral oil (Substitute Extra Virgin Olive Oil- avoid petroleum products)
1/5 pint DMSO
8 ml OR cc's Ivermectin
5 ml OR cc'c Gentamicin (50 mg per ml)
I know Gentamicin is given in IV's and is available in a tube for topical use. I have NO idea how one would purchase liquid Gentamicin.
DMSO is used only as a carrier, to get the Ivermectin and Gentamicin deep into cutaneous tissue. Wonder if Gentamicin in a tube could be used? No idea.
FREAKY!!!! DO NOT DRINK THIS. Bad things will happen to you if you do. Don't give it to your dogs either.
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Post by laylo on Jul 8, 2008 18:23:37 GMT -5
I remember taking albendazole when I first 6 months that I came down with the signs of morgellons. I had gone down to mexico and seen a doctor there and told him of my symptoms. I remember him telling me he had been reading about people complainting about morgellons and he said if they were parasites that you had to take albendazole 2 times a year. like the dose every 6 months. I never make it back for the second dose. now that I'm thinking about it. I don't think it would matter any.
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Post by zabrubon on Jul 8, 2008 23:25:37 GMT -5
my doctor told me that ivermectin and abendzole is not water soluable and to drink it with vodka.
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Post by felixwillford on Jul 9, 2008 12:44:48 GMT -5
Albendazole and Ivermectin have been given for migrating larvae. I read this on www.dermatlas.com (I think that is the site cuz it was back in early 2006 when I had migrating Larvae from hookworm) Just this week and not since last year........ took much Fenbendazole for a 2 -3 day period. Now, suddenly I have some strange looking Fake veins showing up. (they are migrating dead larvae) This to me, proves that this is in our blood and ( SOME ) do get killed with wormers, but we sure would like a complete cure.
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