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Post by freyman on Jun 15, 2008 14:20:06 GMT -5
no matter how badly the white anglo saxton protestants in the suits pulling the strings of this puppet show make a mess out of it all.
If that's not a prejudice statement I don't know what is
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Post by felixwillford on Jun 15, 2008 14:50:33 GMT -5
Is Cliff Mickleson looking into chemtrails now?
First hand, I don't know!
It is ONLY what someone told me and thereby certainly not factual.
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Post by godog on Jun 15, 2008 15:08:58 GMT -5
Why is it so important for members to agree on the cause of morgellons, so what if ya'll disagree?
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Post by Jill on Jun 15, 2008 15:33:36 GMT -5
I think Cliff Carnicom is the expert on Chemtrails. He and Mike Castle- the polymer chemist- and a few thousand others. Opps, forgot Dr. Gwen Scott, ND – A Naturopathic Doctor and Former CNN news anchorwoman and Lori Kramer! Cliff Mickelson may come around. Over the years, he has maintained that Morgellons came from GM cotton. He may have changed his mind- not sure. educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailgressrootrevolt19apr08.shtml Here is a good article- mentions R Mike Castle- and the fact that Barium- as in chemtrails- have been positively id'd as having aluminum, barium, polymer webs with melanin, thylene glycol- based monoacrylates and other heavy metals. Id'd at the Tesla Center, Wright Patterson AFB, Dayton, OHio. Guess they could pass as experts. www.healthfreedom.info/Chemtrails%20Barium%20Sandwiches.htmHere's an excerpt: What a wicked, tangled web it is--literally. And here’s where we find the other half of our sandwich: DYN-O-Gel. Sounds like a product Ronco might distribute, but it is actually the trade name for cross-linked aqueous polymer, US Patent 6,315,213 awarded two years ago to one Peter Cordani. When dispersed into a storm it forms a gelatinous substance which falls to the ground, “thus diminishing the clouds ability to rain.” Dial-O-Matic in the weather! SNIP*** excerpt: The most plausible explanation for “black water”: a recent real world test on a hurricane released enough Gel into the atmosphere to kill everything in the sea below. What goes up, must come down. So what about humans breathing in this miracle product? Mike Castle explains how these fine acrylic acrylate powders will suck all the moisture from your lungs, sticking the insides together--in two words: “extremely toxic”. Not advised. The problem: as with airborne barium and other heavy metals, there is as yet no environmental impact assessment for this product or any other kinds of weather manipulation chemistry. Then why is it being sprayed into our skies? end excerpt Cliff Carnicom www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/msg111179.html
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Post by felixwillford on Jun 15, 2008 16:02:39 GMT -5
Why is it so important for members to agree on the cause of morgellons, so what if ya'll disagree? Great point godog!We don't have to argue or agree. It is fruitless to argue until the etiology of Morgellons is proved. Tossing all ideas around is good thus stimulating more thoughts/ideas from others.It is NOT GOOD to attack someone's idea or to be close minded. Thinking out of the box is good for all of us!When it comes to morgellons, we can't be close minded and should allow everyone their say without attack. ========================================== Steve, The sponge theory certainly seem plausible to me and I appreciate all the time you have put into researching this and enjoying reading about it. ====================================== Jill, Yes, I used to think it was only Cliff Carnicorn and then after someone told me the other Cliff was into it too, I did find many articles on the web from Cliff Mickelson too? It's confusing for sure! Perhaps I am misunderstanding Cliff Mickelson's writing. ============================================ www.bbsradio.com/weekly_columns/post_card2.shtml\POST CARD FROM MEXICO...CHEMTRAILS IN PARADISE!
By: Cliff Mickelson Date: Friday 3 February 2006Prior Weekly Column CHEMTRAILS AND THE MIDDLE CLASS...A POST CARD FROM MEXICO
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Post by toni on Jun 15, 2008 16:13:03 GMT -5
I was just reading this thread, and Godog, you said it all!
Thank you for saying that, cause your question and statement of (so what if ya'll disagree) is the BEST humanly respectful words to all of us here that we all need to heed to - above everything.
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Post by greeneyes on Jun 15, 2008 16:18:47 GMT -5
His arrogance is the tell.
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Post by Jill on Jun 15, 2008 16:20:57 GMT -5
Agree Toni- Godog nailed it. As to the Cliff Mickelson Chemtrail interest- I found back in 2004 where he posted (he is/was a regular on Rumor Mill News): www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=45203Excerpt: Speaking of chemtrails..... As you may have read in one of my posts, I have been finding an excess amount of very small blackish-wire like fibers around here. They seem to especially occur in and around any kind of skin wound, cut or abraision, & even in things like pimples. I use a Microscope lens that I took off of a high quality microscope in order to see them. The lens makes it easy to look at large things. I like using the lens because It's tough to put the back porch railing, the water filter, or the cut on your arm under a microscope! I suppose a high quality jewelers loop would work, but you need at least 15 X magnification to really see them well. These fibers are at least 150% smaller than hair follicles. At first, that was exactly what I thought they were. Hair. Except no one here has black hair and they are way too small. Pretty creepy! Usually they appear alone or two or three at a time. Especially around open cuts. Ocasionally they are in big clumps like a tangle of mircoscopic fishing line or wire. I don't like it one bit! Let me know if you ever come across anything like it, OK? I am putting together research on the subject and will write an article about it shortly. End excerpt
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Post by Jill on Jun 15, 2008 16:23:11 GMT -5
Greeneyes,
I can only guess who's arrogance is the 'tell'. Interesting choice of words. Just learned about a 'tell' last week on the TV program 'Numbers'.
First time I've seen the term used.
Jill
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Post by greeneyes on Jun 15, 2008 16:43:56 GMT -5
I ask for an honest look at all the possibilities --- I did not disregard his information; it was Steve F that disregarded everyone else believing in his correctness. Definition of Arrogance: www.answers.com/topic/arrogantHaving or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance. Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others: an arrogant contempt for the weak. See synonyms at proud. [Middle English arrogant, from Old French
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Post by ANTHILL on Jun 15, 2008 17:29:14 GMT -5
Do I detect a tinge of name calling ? please lets agree to disagree A healthy debate is one thing letting it deteriorate to name calling is completely another My opinion on this thread is None of this is not going to get us any closer to a cure unless some doctors credentials are in order so that that powers that be in the medical comunity might lend an ear--if not probably not If we can do this with respect and without personal attacks have at it' if not I can have at the delete button -- Thankyou
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Post by godsgrace on Jun 15, 2008 18:37:05 GMT -5
sorry Anthill.....calling it like we are seeing it.
that's what we do.
personal attacks are OK.....but name calling isn't?
sorry, you get what you give...at least here, with this bunch.
work to do, gotta run...
thanks for understanding!!
godsgrace
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Post by angela on Jun 15, 2008 19:06:45 GMT -5
Tell you what, if he is right about his theory I'll surely kiss his feet! Clearly there's some confusion between arrogance and confidence. confidence (kŏn'fĭ-dəns) SYNONYMS confidence, assurance, aplomb, self-confidence, self-possession. These nouns denote a feeling of emotional security resulting from faith in oneself. Confidence is a firm belief in one's powers, abilities, or capacities: “You gain strength, courage and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face” (Eleanor Roosevelt). Assurance even more strongly stresses certainty and can suggest arrogance: How can you explain an abstruse theory with such assurance? Aplomb implies calm poise: “It is native personality, and that alone, that endows a man to stand before presidents or generals . . . with aplomb” (Walt Whitman). Self-confidence stresses trust in one's own self-sufficiency: “The most vital quality a soldier can possess is self-confidence” (George S. Patton). Self-possession implies composure arising from control over one's own reactions: “In life courtesy and self-possession . . . are the sensible impressions of the free mind, for both arise . . . from never being swept away, whatever the emotion, into confusion or dullness” (William Butler Yeats).Attack someones motives and ideas and you might get the appearance of arrogance. I didnt see any real arrogance. I have my own theory.... yet I dont feel the need to mock his ideas. I think we all need to lighten up and quit being cruel to each other! anj
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Post by angela on Jun 15, 2008 19:30:27 GMT -5
Isn't that swell...... another one bit the dust. I see Steve Freyman has left the forum.
Happy now?
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Post by ANTHILL on Jun 15, 2008 20:01:04 GMT -5
personal attacks are OK.....but name calling isn't?.godsgrace please re-read my postDo I detect a tinge of name calling ? please lets agree to disagree A healthy debate is one thing letting it deteriorate to name calling is completely another My opinion on this thread is None of this is not going to get us any closer to a cure unless some doctors credentials are in order so that that powers that be in the medical comunity might lend an ear--if not probably not If we can do this with respect and without personal attacks have at it' if not I can have at the delete button -- Thankyou
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Post by robertalouise26 on Jun 15, 2008 22:41:43 GMT -5
Hi Angela can you please tell me why Steve Freyman has left the board I am quite bewildered. I think that he had a lot to offer us and is also searching for awnsers as he and a family also have this "wretched" thing. Thank you for your post. Love and best wishes. Roberta.
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Post by jj on Jun 16, 2008 10:54:48 GMT -5
Tell you what, if he is right about his theory I'll surely kiss his feet! Clearly there's some confusion between arrogance and confidence. confidence (kŏn'fĭ-dəns) SYNONYMS confidence, assurance, aplomb, self-confidence, self-possession. These nouns denote a feeling of emotional security resulting from faith in oneself. Confidence is a firm belief in one's powers, abilities, or capacities: “You gain strength, courage and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face” (Eleanor Roosevelt). Assurance even more strongly stresses certainty and can suggest arrogance: How can you explain an abstruse theory with such assurance? Aplomb implies calm poise: “It is native personality, and that alone, that endows a man to stand before presidents or generals . . . with aplomb” (Walt Whitman). Self-confidence stresses trust in one's own self-sufficiency: “The most vital quality a soldier can possess is self-confidence” (George S. Patton). Self-possession implies composure arising from control over one's own reactions: “In life courtesy and self-possession . . . are the sensible impressions of the free mind, for both arise . . . from never being swept away, whatever the emotion, into confusion or dullness” (William Butler Yeats).Attack someones motives and ideas and you might get the appearance of arrogance. I didnt see any real arrogance. I have my own theory.... yet I dont feel the need to mock his ideas. I think we all need to lighten up and quit being cruel to each other! anj Agree anj We do need to lighten up. We have lost several members here who's therories and opinions are/were centered around what mother nature put on this earth and their opinions or explanations within 'the box' of mainstream scientific knowledge are/were frowned apon. Accusations and ridicule insued because thier path or means to discovery was TOO reasonable. What 'may I ask' is unreasonable about starting the discovery and process of elimination from what is more natural to this earth? There are new discoveries everyday in the scientific and medical community in that area. Clearly, still more needs to be done based on what they still don't understand fully. Parasitic disease is just one example where understanding is seriously lacking. Let's try not to fall prey to the very attitude that has denied us treatment in the first place whether from mainstream or the more contriversial. There is much to be learned on both avenues. JJ
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Post by toni on Jun 16, 2008 12:21:50 GMT -5
Yes, that's a fact JJ.
Daily, there are world wide, brand new species of parasites being discovered...and just think about the ones "they've not yet discovered".
We sure don't know what "new" parasites (for an example) can or can't do...let alone the ones "no one but us" may be experiencing.
I remember when Dr. K told me in a conversation (there were 3 parasites involved)...and that has stuck with me like glue....cause there was a reason he said that.
For all we know Saddam (genetically modified parasites) and let them loose, and as time goes by...they spread, like a flu does.
Manipulation of food, bugs, is something that's been going on for a long time too.
So anyone's theories are game, cause we don't know anything but what we see and feel.
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Post by angela on Jun 16, 2008 19:51:30 GMT -5
Hi Angela can you please tell me why Steve Freyman has left the board I am quite bewildered. I think that he had a lot to offer us and is also searching for awnsers as he and a family also have this "wretched" thing. Thank you for your post. Love and best wishes. Roberta. It seems he left on his own accord. Some very unkind words were spoken by a number of female members and perhaps that is why he left. I thought he was a sensible & very cordial guy and researcher ... until he was attacked of course. But who could blame him. I hope he comes back! We need more researchers like him. I think it's a shame when a small group of members gang up on someone & drive them away.
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Post by robertalouise26 on Jun 16, 2008 22:02:08 GMT -5
Dear Angela thank you soo much for that information. It is soo nice to meet someone who is like minded. I have not idea what was said and really don't want to know. But like you I think that Steve Frey WAS AN ASSET TO THE BOARD. He has a daughter who has this and he is searching just like us and his scientific mind is also a great input to the board. Never mind what will be will be. I cann't find his email. I think that he deleted it. He thanked me for standing by him. Which was no problem I support many many ideas and suggestions on this and other boads Surely we have only one thing in our minds and that is to find an awnser to this, the more input the better. Once again Angela thank you for your post. Love and best wishes. Roberta.
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