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Post by glennb on Jun 16, 2008 22:51:19 GMT -5
ahh freyman's posts so typically fit the profile for those spreading disinfo and trying to manage or spin info that certain parties do not want to see the light of day.
Ridiculing the presenter of the unwelcome viewpoints or information is a classic technique.
Freyman's statement "he's just another wacko if you ask me" certainly fits this approach.
Plus trying to scare all of us connecting chemtrails and nano-technology to Morgellons and Morgellons being man made back into the box with statements like: "What do you suppose is going through the mind of a person who knows little about morgellons and comes to this site trying to determine for themselves if it is real or not? You don't think that reading all this stuff about man-made organisms and conspracies, and black cars watching people, and chemtrails is going to help sway their opinion on the matter? Well I know if it was me and I didn't know better I wouldn't give another thought to the idea that it could be real and jump on the bandwagon with the rest of the mainstream and say that your all crazy. That is why I take the stand that I do when I say this manmade crap is hurting the cause."
And as to other statements that nano technology would have to have been around 20 years for it to be responsible for morgellons. Who can be positive that those claiming to have had this affliction for 20 years actually have the same disease we are experiencing? And there is always the possibility that as a diversion from the true history of Morgellons that certain people have just claimed to have had this for 20 years. And besides all that it is certainly possible that the government secretly had the use of nano technology 20 years ago but kept it secret.
The technology the government secretly possesses is light years ahead of what the general public is allowed to know about.
Other statements that freyman throws out about chemtrails and nano technology only show that he has not done very much research into either topic and is not terribly knowledgeable about either.
Morgellons is a very bizarre disease, resistant to treatment and something generally not known to be infecting anyone before 1997, when the chemtrails first became highly evident in our skies. I know there are a couple of people who claim to have had Morgellons before that but I am not sure we can accept that as a fact. Given the circumstances of Morgellons I think it is far more logical to suspect a man made origin rather than a natural one.
I think it is very important to examine what we know about Morgellons and use commonsense when reaching our conclusions about it, some may say man made and others may say not man made, but whatever conclusions we reach should be aired openly without fear of being labeled crazies.
I will not allow myself to be intimidated by such nonsense.
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Post by godsgrace on Jun 16, 2008 23:11:10 GMT -5
glenn, Thank you.
I had a very strange feeling regarding him from the get go..
It just seems that he was always trying to throw us off course in one way or another.(JMO)..and all of the (((sarcasm))) about being the seeeectret agent maaaaan...just didn't bode well with me. I am not paranoid just a realist with a great BS meter.
For anyone to totally dismiss this as "Not being man-made or manipulated", at this point, for me is absurd.
mycoplasma was man-made/manipulated and is killing people daily. Morgellons only adds to the problem.
Perhaps Morgellon's isn't a dis-ease but rather a biological response to something "unnatural"....
others have stated////
we are not integrating.....like we are supposed to.....hence the symptoms of illness.
I know for a fact that several of my patients who are elderly suffer from Morgellon's disease.
Not all of them have lesions like myself, but they all have the "pseudo" facial hairs that move....eeerie.
If people in their 80's and 90's have Morgellon's, how long has it really been here?
my poor brain hasn't ever worked so hard in my life....
questions, questions, questions......leads to more questions...
nite,
godsgrace
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Post by angela on Jun 17, 2008 8:39:35 GMT -5
JJ said it best! Please re-read her post. I believe this kind of talk is paranoia...... WHY on Gods' green earth would secret govt agencies WHO HAVE FAMILIES OF THEIR OWN BE SPRAYING BIOLOGICAL OR NANO CRAP TO HARM THE NATIONS PEOPLE? These people have: nieces, nephews, grandchildren, cousins aunts, uncles, daughters, sons, mothers, fathers .....or are these CHOSEN ONES (that sign up for these sick tasks) "the only child", orphans etc.....who plan(ned) to stay celebate and never have children? This elite, special group of devils' spawn... feeling confident about their future and grinning that evil smile as they take off in their jets to decide ours? .......and of course they're not effected!? Help me understand this thinking. Maybe im missing something.
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Post by bessie on Jun 17, 2008 9:05:05 GMT -5
Angela - If we accept the premise that this is deliberate, man made, and extremely sophisticated, then the answer is simple. Nanotechnology is developed with specific instructions. One of those instructions would be to "turn off" or not even be allowed to take hold in individuals who have the "antidote". (I recently posted a link to a nanotech "shut off- turn on" particle - not from Rense, but from a nanotech trade journal). I suspect that there have been different "recipes" out there (i.e., which specific plasmids are in the package), as true experimentation would require. This would account for the wide differences in clinical presentation. It certainly seems that this thing IS self-replicating and spreading in the environment, hence the geometrical increase in the number of cases (not to mention the non-stop chem trail spraying). Most cases seem to be contracted environmentally, not person to person. When one looks at the history of experimentation on unsuspecting individuals, it is very easy to believe. Bessie
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Post by godsgrace on Jun 17, 2008 9:30:56 GMT -5
ang, have you researched any info on The Illuminati?
they are the ones behind New World Order which is their goal. They want a global society...one gov't, one military, one police force ect..... they are attempting to make a slave race out of the poor and they will work for the elite. There will be no middle class and if people can't see that coming, in their everyday lives, there is a problem. gas prices food prices housing prices medication prices ect....ect....ect....
they are pinching the middle class. Pretty soon, we will be the poor.(the middle class)
This whole "project" is global.
It is stated that these people are willing to risk their own lives and the lives of their families for the greater good......sacrifice of the lower for the higher.
When I first found this sort of info, I had the same exact question that you do...as well as many other people.
Once you begin to see the whole picture, it all makes sense.
"de-globalizing"
it is the reason thatt he gay men were given AIDS in Hep B vaccines...on a global scale and thought process, they are not necessary(sorry, I know this is very harsh)
Sub-sarharan Africa has another HUGE population of AIDS....given in form of tetanus shots....why?
According to them, who needs a group of poor people on a continent who can't sustain themselves?...again, I know this is awful but this is the reality of it all.
Hope this helps you to see "THE BIG PICTURE" for what it is.
it is reality.
It is horrifying.
my apologies,godsgrace
stay well and stay informed.
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Post by angela on Jun 17, 2008 11:12:30 GMT -5
So this Iluminati plan took effect when?
....and yes i've read up on this subject. I just dont believe the majority of it and i am certainly not naive.
So this special group of people and their families have this "shut off" antidote?
...and the Clintons, Rockefellers, the Kennedys' etc approve this?
Then why are billion dollar movie stars getting this? High profile lawyers etc. are getting this too. Dr. Kilani is getting phone calls from a number of these upper-class folk.
.....and they do this knowing full well that the poor and middle class (only) will get sicker and squeeze medicare and social security dry?
Ya i know they'll just print off more of that fiat money and keep us further in debt.
There is govt manipulation to a point..... but........
....and spraying this stuff, and probably destroying more of the ozone layer.....allowing more of the suns rays to heat up the polar caps?
Do they have a special antidote to keep themselves from being affected by this detriment?
anj
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Post by skytroll on Jun 17, 2008 11:24:09 GMT -5
Genetic specific, and phenotype specific. This is directed at certain genetic types. It is evolutionary, a concerted effort, so it depends on you ancestry. You genes. Check this out: It is about mitochondia........ "All blue-eyed humans have common ancestor New research shows that people with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor. A team at the University of Copenhagen have tracked down a genetic mutation which took place 6-10,000 years ago and is the cause of the eye colour of all blue-eyed humans alive on the planet today. “Originally, we all had brown eyes”, said Professor Eiberg from the Department of Cellular and Molecular Medicine. “But a genetic mutation affecting the OCA2 gene in our chromosomes resulted in the creation of a “switch”, which literally “turned off” the ability to produce brown eyes”. The OCA2 gene codes for the so-called P protein, which is involved in the production of melanin, the pigment that gives colour to our hair, eyes and skin. The “switch”, which is located in the gene adjacent to OCA2 does not, however, turn off the gene entirely, but rather limits its action to reducing the production of melanin in the iris – effectively “diluting” brown eyes to blue. The switch’s effect on OCA2 is very specific therefore. If the OCA2 gene had been completely destroyed or turned off, human beings would be without melanin in their hair, eyes or skin colour – a condition known as albinism. Variation in the colour of the eyes from brown to green can all be explained by the amount of melanin in the iris, but blue-eyed individuals only have a small degree of variation in the amount of melanin in their eyes. “From this we can conclude that all blue-eyed individuals are linked to the same ancestor,” says Professor Eiberg. “They have all inherited the same switch at exactly the same spot in their DNA.” Brown-eyed individuals, by contrast, have considerable individual variation in the area of their DNA that controls melanin production. Professor Eiberg and his team examined mitochondrial DNA and compared the eye colour of blue-eyed individuals in countries as diverse as Jordan, Denmark and Turkey. His findings are the latest in a decade of genetic research, which began in 1996, when Professor Eiberg first implicated the OCA2 gene as being responsible for eye colour. Nature shuffles our genes The mutation of brown eyes to blue represents neither a positive nor a negative mutation. It is one of several mutations such as hair colour, baldness, freckles and beauty spots, which neither increases nor reduces a human’s chance of survival. As Professor Eiberg says, “it simply shows that nature is constantly shuffling the human genome, creating a genetic cocktail of human chromosomes and trying out different changes as it does so.” www.ku.dk/english" www.scienceblog.com/cms/all-blue-eyed-humans-have-common-ancestor-15361.htmlOther ancestry news: www.ku.dk/english/Skytroll
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Post by godsgrace on Jun 17, 2008 11:37:45 GMT -5
Thanks Sky!!!!!
Angela... I never intended to insinuate that you were naive, I was just trying to explain things in a very basic form.
Everyone knows bits and pieces that don't add up....hopefully by combining all of our information, we can muddle through the thick of it and find the truth.
Just trying to help, not to imply that you are ignorant on any level.
stay informed
godsgrace
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Post by godsgrace on Jun 17, 2008 12:06:10 GMT -5
I have blue eyes
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Post by cheetah on Jun 17, 2008 12:51:42 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ5DjJFCEXI&feature=relatedI am in no way saying anything negative to anyone that has come here since I have been here. I am glad to see people finding this board. It's just that... Personally...I just wished it felt ...oh.... ...."more safe"... Like it used to feel to me........ is what I am saying. I know that I have had a part to play in some negativity along the way and truly I feel bad and I am sorry for any rudeness or upset. Everyone here can be so loving and supportive... It is amazing the "FORTITUDE" here that keeps myself and others going... Not to mention how unbelievably smart you little whipper snappers are. ;D And yes I want to post whatever I dang well please as well...... and there are times that they may or may not be appropriate but...I have to remind myself that I have "M" (morgellons) and so do others and I can have some very off days even when I do not think I am or realize it. (Ya, about that...teehee... naaaa.. don't really want to get into that) I am not saying anyone is right or wrong. (Look, I don't care what this is ....really... or how it got here... from an over-looked nature thingy, man-made, nano... I don't really care and I know that sounds horrible... I don't know what it is..I go back and forth All I know for sure is........ I want a cause and a cure. PERIOD...as we all do.) I am saying this.... This is how it used to feel to me. (This board I mean) www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY7QHLibwa0Perhaps it has served it's purpose for me. But ..........that's just me..... Love and Light to you all. Laur
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Post by carla on Jun 17, 2008 19:25:20 GMT -5
I can not believe what I have just read. Steve didn't agree with you so he gets this. The only ones doing harm to our course is all of you. Do you know how insane you all sound? You didn't read any of his research because you don't want it to be anything other than the crap what you believe. But the fact is Steve has found the answer.If you opened your eyes and read it you would know that by now. You are causing stress to other vunerable members too. carla
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Post by skytroll on Jun 17, 2008 19:37:11 GMT -5
Carla,
I ask him how did we get it in us, and he did not answer.
There has to be a way for us to get it, we do not live in the bottom of the ocean.
Please don't say we sound crazy, we hear that from our doctors.
We do not have the answers, but, he was starting to attack a few on the board.
Challenging his theory in debating the issue was what many were trying to say, and there was non of that in his speaking.
When people on here personally start attacking the person and not the idea, then we have problems. I was trying to debate the issue, but that got nowhere.
Why is he so certain he is correct?
Anyway again, I ask, how do we get it from the bottom of the ocean?
Skytroll
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Post by cheetah on Jun 17, 2008 19:55:49 GMT -5
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Post by carla on Jun 17, 2008 20:07:39 GMT -5
Please don't make it look like I was calling anyone insane for talking about Morgellons. It s clear I wasn't.
There are thousands of species of sponges that are in shallow water and aso tidal areas. Sponges invade oysters and fish which are eaten raw. There was two reports last year of sponges growing out of water. Look at the worldwide map of morgellons families registered with the mrf and tell me this has no connection to the sea.
carla
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Post by bessie on Jun 17, 2008 20:08:20 GMT -5
Carla - "Insane", once again, is in the eye of the beholder. For ANYONE to state, unequivocally, that he is RIGHT is, well, fill in the blank. We have some top notch, very experienced and highly credentialed scientists doing REAL research with laboratory equipment, contracting out, making presentations at scientifics conferences based on peer-reviewed data...(not "surfing the net") are they are crazy??? People all over the world have this, most living nowhere near the ocean. And I agree with Skytroll - ALL the name calling was on his part. Healthy debate about the ideas presented is NOT attacking. His "thoughts" had far too many holes, and he refused to even read any of the scientific evidence or respond to the obvious gaps in his "ideas". What he "GOT" was mad because he was called on for labeling a doctor with 30 years experience a wacko. The doctor was making a plea for funds for reaearch for Morgellons in front of the Berkeley City Council. How destructive is that? He quit because his attempts to discredit anything but sponges through name-calling failed. And I will tell you what else is bizarre - elevating this man to what amounts to the second coming of Christ is REAL "insane". Bessie
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Post by carla on Jun 17, 2008 20:14:13 GMT -5
Bessie , I like Steve but I 've never compared him to Jesus Christ ;D carla
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Post by friskers on Jun 17, 2008 20:26:57 GMT -5
Carlitas your feeling feisty arent you honey! ;D
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Post by bessie on Jun 17, 2008 20:32:17 GMT -5
Oh, Carla - I didn't mean to imply it was you - I actually can't remember who it was and it's not worth digging it out. And I actually didn't dislike him - I didn't know him at all - couldn't get a feel for the guy, as I never read any posts that weren't related to sponges. NOW - that doesn't mean he never wrote any. I just don't recall any. Bessie
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Post by carla on Jun 17, 2008 20:33:40 GMT -5
Hi Friski, I am getting that way. Do you like it ;D carla
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Post by friskers on Jun 17, 2008 20:45:04 GMT -5
yes its very exciting Carlas! It makes me want to throw you down and wrestle with you ;D Carlas a sweetheart everyone dont let her scare you ;D
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