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Post by bessie on Jun 21, 2008 13:53:55 GMT -5
I saw this on another forum and thought I'd pass it along. It makes some sense, as it uses the same principles as far infrared saunas do (which help): curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1185323#iBessie
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Post by Jill on Jun 21, 2008 15:31:18 GMT -5
Outstanding! Thank you so much Bessie.
I've long felt that baths in epsom salts or Sea Salts have helped me greatly. Sometimes, I feel as though I'm floating when I'm done with a soak. Heavenly feeling!
This information is spot on and came at a good time. Confirms what I've been thinking.
One question, I wonder how you 'reach' the stuff in your head with this method?
What I've been using on my face is Aquatanica Gel Souffle- great stuff- and various products on the hair. Then, oil with clove oil for the neck and shoulders.
No facial lesions at all.
Thanks again!
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Post by bessie on Jun 21, 2008 15:56:32 GMT -5
Jill - I think the heat - the rise in body temperature - will include what's not submerged (your head!). I never tried to do this, but I sure did a lot of soaks in Dead Sea salts, etc, and got a HUGE response. When I wasn't soaking, I was massaging diabetic cream on my body. I couldn't believe there was that much stuff in my body... Bessie
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Post by toni on Jun 21, 2008 16:19:57 GMT -5
That's really interesting. I've never realized you could get your body temp that high like that, I mean "to 102"...probably cause I've never taken my temp while in a hot bath. I think when Mr. Toni goes back to work on Mon, I might try that (very curious about taking my temp while in a hot bath tub).
Have you ever done that before - taken your temp while in a bath? Sort of really curious now what it does raise to.
Plus I've not taken a bath, (only showers) since Morgellons.
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Post by toni on Jun 21, 2008 16:23:22 GMT -5
Jjill,
I think it was you that mentioned the Red Cedarwood oil? I'd ordered some last week and I love it, cause Morgellons in the lesion don't like it.
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Post by Jill on Jun 21, 2008 18:22:30 GMT -5
Not me with the Red Cedarwood, Toni-
I use Clove oil- for the most part. Tea tree for the carrier if I'm staying home- carrot oil if I'm going somewhere.
I've used a tea tree hair conditioner for some time- Paul Mitchell- seems to help- but I still have those 3 hair line areas with problems-1 lesion behind both ears and one in the middle of my neck- just into the hair line. My group is in a V formation.
A while back, I tried the horsey sauce- per lilsissy on my problem V formation. It did get rid of it for a time but it comes back. Same place.
After reading Mark Purdeys' info- on the organophosphates- I started taking a shot of ionic copper from time to time and using the ionic copper along with the baby shampoo to wash my hair. Not every time, maybe every 3rd or 4th shampoo. I read somewhere that you should pulse- or alternate treatments.
Along with the oil pulling alternated with gargling with red wine and brushing with baking soda, I've got the problems cut back but not eliminated yet.
My biggest problem is and has been my bones. My greatest concern about that came from reading about what happened to Sue Meyers and her bones (disintegrated) from this stuff. Read it on another board- scary stuff.
I'd like to know more about what happened to her- what I read was off the charts. You couldn't make up fiction to beat that horror.
Jill
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Post by Jill on Jun 21, 2008 18:24:12 GMT -5
Bessie,
I'll have to pick up some of your diabetic cream- what do you use?
Thanks in advance,
Jill
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Post by bessie on Jun 21, 2008 20:06:13 GMT -5
Jill - It's made by Neoteric: www.neotericcosmetics.com/neoteric-diabetic/products.htmlI like the cream better than the lotion. Smooth it on your skin, and rub it in. After about 1/2 - 1 min, stuff starts popping out of your skin. Keep adding more till the "exodus" slows down or your arm gets tired! I used to add powdered msm to the cream in my hand for a more vigorous "outpouring". I still use it, but I've cleared my skin so much that I don't get much anymore. Bessie
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Post by toni on Jun 21, 2008 20:17:14 GMT -5
Jjill,
You know when Morgs first hit me (besides all the lesions on my body) I had this sore/lesion right behind my left ear that just wouldn't go away also. It would crust and water, then I'd pick it of course, then the cycle would begin again. But even leaving it alone, it still would be there.
I tried everything... I tried all kinds of script meds, you name it. And finally putting Neosporin on it, then taping over that, within a week, it went away, and never came back.
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Post by Jill on Jun 22, 2008 5:12:19 GMT -5
Thanks, Bessie- I'll order some of that
Toni,
I use Neosporin a lot- can not tape- these 3 spots are in my hair. Guess I could shave my head but then I have to work- would look a bit odd. Could try the liquid bandage I suppose.
Thanks girls- for the tips
Jill
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Post by beckybailey on Jun 22, 2008 8:37:38 GMT -5
FYI, the perfect temp in our hot tub is 104, the chlorine made them get off of me but they would be waiting for me when I got back in and would try to get back on me. I no longer get in it, too creeeeeepy.
My husband always takes extra hot showers and baths, and I scold him, but not after reading this the other day.
toni, you don't know what you are missing not having a salt bath or yeast enzyme bath. Your skin will literally pop with relief, and it reduces their population.
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Post by toni on Jun 22, 2008 8:50:29 GMT -5
BB,
Yes, you know, I should have said or elaborated more about (taking baths).
I did take them in the very very beginning of Morgellons, but then got afraid of spreading this more, so I quit and resorted to only showering. Which I did take approx 12 hot showers a day after I stopped the bathing in the bath tub.
Now I only 2-3 hot showers daily. But yes, I was one of those people who soaked in a hot bath nightly forever I did that, just for relaxation, and I went through bottles of that Ecovie sp? and sea salts (but they didn't help me for some reason)...but then got fearful of this getting places other than on my front side. So I stopped.
That's what's been odd too about Morgs for me, I've only had 2 spots/ichies on my rear end in the beginning - and those finally went away, but all the hundreds of other lesions that followed every 2 weeks, were always on my front side, stomach, thighs, upper arms and face.
That's why that MORON infectious disease doc at UCLA told me to my face, that when he looked at me with all my hundreds of lesions, that I didn't have this on my backside, (because I couldn't reach there) and that I was doing this to myself!
Maybe this week I'll give it a try again, just to see what happens since it's now been probably 2 years almost since I have been in a hot bath tub.
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Post by godog on Jun 22, 2008 11:53:50 GMT -5
I do both. I soak in the tub, pasting, then shower and clean shower and tub. But I have shower doors and I can close them and then run hot water and let it out after cooling and more hot water, hot as I can stand. I feel so much better!!! I think that the heat helps, I feel good in the sun too, although I am not sure if it is as good for me as it feels it is. I got somewhat of a burn and it acted and felt different than sunburns in the past, I nearly went nuts one day with the crawling and itching. I am careful not to burn like that. I was really pale though, now I have some tan, enough to not fry again.
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Post by bessie on Jun 22, 2008 12:25:14 GMT -5
Toni - I was thinking too bad you didn't respond to the doctor's comment - "Well, doctor, do you think I have my husband wipe it when I'm done?!?" What, did he think you had flippers instead of arms that you can't reach your butt?!? grrr... Bessie
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Post by bessie on Jun 22, 2008 12:27:41 GMT -5
godog - What does pasting mean? Bessie
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Post by toni on Jun 22, 2008 12:32:06 GMT -5
Bessie, ;D ;D ;D
I know!
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Post by bessie on Jun 22, 2008 12:39:35 GMT -5
Speaking of soaking in salt water, I did that a LOT in the beginning and got HUGE amounts of crap out of my skin. Now I'm going to tell you something disgusting.... I lived a mile from the Gulf of Mexico and used to go to the beach and soak in the water. One time I was soaking around fish-feeding time, and the fish were surrounding me and picking things off my skin. I'm really sorry now that I allowed that; it was in the early days when I was still thinking normal parasites, and this kind of thing is a normal fish behavior (see: cleaning fish). After I realized what I had, I shuddered thinking about having infected those fish. But then I also think that this monster is incredibly widespread already, and everytime I flush the toilet or drain the tub I'm adding to the "pool". I guess that's why people very often get it from contact with sewage. Bessie
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Post by godog on Jun 22, 2008 12:42:18 GMT -5
Oh my gosh, I thought everyone knew about my famous pasting. Haha. Well, I read about it here on this board and being that I had tried every topical, fungal, antibacterial, whatever, that I could, and still didn't get the relief I desparately needed, I tried the flour and water paste. Someone had been making homemade bread and noticed the dough pulling out the morgie stuff. Well, my worst lesion is in my buttcrack and had nearly ruined my sanity over the years and still getting worse. So I tried it and my gosh, you wouldn't believe the stuff that comes out. That was 2 years ago and still pulling out an amazing amount, but I have made headway. I was full of this stuff. It has been a real lifesaver for me, as I think I would've been dead by now, one way or another. I don't have a digital camera so I can't post pics of what I get, but it's alot of stuff and it is big stuff and hair and fibers come out too. Pretty crazy, huh?
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Post by jlk on Jun 22, 2008 16:14:18 GMT -5
Re Hot Therapy as effective treatment - I disagree completely. First, I have a far infared sauna which I often sit in for up to an hour by which time it is over 120 degrees in there and I have done that for many months - it helps but nothing compared to the light therapy that I am now doing. Also, I have a whirlpool tub which has a heater and I run the hot water as hot as it goes and the heater maintains it - I sit in that for an hour or more as well and have done that for the last four years - yes it helps - better than not having it for sure - but none of them worked like the light therapy treatment which appears to be killing it internally. So don't get your hopes up on the just heating up the bath water as I have cooked myself half baked and still they lived on. Judy
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Post by jj on Jun 22, 2008 16:49:02 GMT -5
Thanks for the link.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh Mor-gone take me away!
No bath tub. When I have a chance I do the hot bath & Epsom salts thing. Next time I'll take and watch my temperature.
Judy, I think the important aspect of Far infrared Sauna's and therapy is reaching a core temperature which you probably know anyway. Your light therapy is no doubt effective topically that we can see based on your pics. I think we are talking about two completely different approaches from my perspective, both being beneficial in different ways.
JJ
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