Post by skytroll on Jul 18, 2008 0:22:46 GMT -5
Remember the vesicles that Mark Darrah found in the microscopic
photos. ..... Ramon?
here is how they are made;
Scientists have created primitive organic cell-like structures, or vesicles.
Building life from star stuff? or from inferences and products on
earth?........................ the seams are starting to tear!
CONFLICT:
Interstellar dust vs smart dust
Pahs(polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons) vs Pahs in p. putida
vesicles vs man made vesicles primitive cell like
Fullerenes (space) vs. fullerenes in bucky balls.
well starting to see the simulation, simulating what may be
in outer space or not, but by inferring if can be man made, do it,
claiming it came from outer space. WHAT A MAMMOTH DECEPTION!
Now, my question here is were not the PAHS found
in the p. putida? and p. aeruginosa? Man made spheres, but
here they are telling us this is from outer space?
seems to be a simulation going on and again an inference just
like all the evolutionary "novel organisms" that were created.
"The most popular theories of the origin of life say the necessary chemistry occurred at hydrothermal vents on the ocean floor or in some sunlit shallow pool. However, discoveries in the past few years have shown that many of the basic materials for life form in the cold depths of space, where life as we know it is not possible.
After dying stars belch out carbon, some of the carbon atoms combine with hydrogen to form polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). PAHs -- a kind of carbon soot similar to the scorched portions of burnt toast -- are the most abundant organic compounds in space, and a primary ingredient of carbonaceous chondrite meteorites. Although PAHs aren't found in living cells, they can be converted into quinones, molecules that are involved in cellular energy processes. For instance, quinones play an essential role in photosynthesis, helping plants turn light into chemical energy.
The transformation of PAHs occurs in interstellar clouds of ice and dust. After floating through space, PAH soot eventually condenses into these "dense molecular clouds." The material in these clouds blocks out some but not all of the harsh radiation of space. The radiation that does filter through modifies the PAHs and other material in the clouds.
Infrared and radio telescope observations of the clouds have detected the PAHs, as well as fatty acids, simple sugars, faint amounts of the amino acid glycine, and over 100 other molecules, including water, carbon monoxide, ammonia, formaldehyde, and hydrogen cyanide.
The clouds have never been sampled directly -- they're too far away -- so to confirm what is occurring chemically in the clouds, a research team led by Max Bernstein and Scott Sandford at the Astrochemistry Laboratory at NASA's Ames Research Center set up experiments to mimic the cloud conditions.
In one experiment, a PAH/water mixture is vapor-deposited onto salt and then bombarded with ultraviolet (UV) radiation. This allows the researchers to observe how the basic PAH skeleton turns into quinones. Irradiating a frozen mixture of water, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, and methanol (a precursor chemical to formaldehyde) generates the amino acids glycine, alanine and serine -- the three most abundant amino acids in living systems.
see photo of the vesicles and compare to M. Darrah's!
www.astrobio.net/news/article1702
tying right into our DNA?
Do we have quinones?......... man made Pahs, vesicles and the
primitive cell like structures called VESICLES?
Skytroll
photos. ..... Ramon?
here is how they are made;
Scientists have created primitive organic cell-like structures, or vesicles.
Building life from star stuff? or from inferences and products on
earth?........................ the seams are starting to tear!
CONFLICT:
Interstellar dust vs smart dust
Pahs(polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons) vs Pahs in p. putida
vesicles vs man made vesicles primitive cell like
Fullerenes (space) vs. fullerenes in bucky balls.
well starting to see the simulation, simulating what may be
in outer space or not, but by inferring if can be man made, do it,
claiming it came from outer space. WHAT A MAMMOTH DECEPTION!
Now, my question here is were not the PAHS found
in the p. putida? and p. aeruginosa? Man made spheres, but
here they are telling us this is from outer space?
seems to be a simulation going on and again an inference just
like all the evolutionary "novel organisms" that were created.
"The most popular theories of the origin of life say the necessary chemistry occurred at hydrothermal vents on the ocean floor or in some sunlit shallow pool. However, discoveries in the past few years have shown that many of the basic materials for life form in the cold depths of space, where life as we know it is not possible.
After dying stars belch out carbon, some of the carbon atoms combine with hydrogen to form polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). PAHs -- a kind of carbon soot similar to the scorched portions of burnt toast -- are the most abundant organic compounds in space, and a primary ingredient of carbonaceous chondrite meteorites. Although PAHs aren't found in living cells, they can be converted into quinones, molecules that are involved in cellular energy processes. For instance, quinones play an essential role in photosynthesis, helping plants turn light into chemical energy.
The transformation of PAHs occurs in interstellar clouds of ice and dust. After floating through space, PAH soot eventually condenses into these "dense molecular clouds." The material in these clouds blocks out some but not all of the harsh radiation of space. The radiation that does filter through modifies the PAHs and other material in the clouds.
Infrared and radio telescope observations of the clouds have detected the PAHs, as well as fatty acids, simple sugars, faint amounts of the amino acid glycine, and over 100 other molecules, including water, carbon monoxide, ammonia, formaldehyde, and hydrogen cyanide.
The clouds have never been sampled directly -- they're too far away -- so to confirm what is occurring chemically in the clouds, a research team led by Max Bernstein and Scott Sandford at the Astrochemistry Laboratory at NASA's Ames Research Center set up experiments to mimic the cloud conditions.
In one experiment, a PAH/water mixture is vapor-deposited onto salt and then bombarded with ultraviolet (UV) radiation. This allows the researchers to observe how the basic PAH skeleton turns into quinones. Irradiating a frozen mixture of water, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, and methanol (a precursor chemical to formaldehyde) generates the amino acids glycine, alanine and serine -- the three most abundant amino acids in living systems.
see photo of the vesicles and compare to M. Darrah's!
www.astrobio.net/news/article1702
tying right into our DNA?
Do we have quinones?......... man made Pahs, vesicles and the
primitive cell like structures called VESICLES?
Skytroll
