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Post by skytroll on Aug 6, 2008 14:09:19 GMT -5
This is ambient air, however chemtrails would cover it all wouldn't it? That is smoke aerosols from ground up, this is particles from sky down. there is the real interstellar dust and then there is smart dust, and there is carbon black, melanin, fungus used in the chemtrails. There is a patent for the melanin sprayed to keep the skin from burning? A way to reflect the suns light? through particles. The particles is Smart dust, not true natural interstellar dust. the aether and the carbon? a reaction? gases forming? ether or aether? understanding aether and ether. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether.....the gases surrounding kamefromsky's clothes?........ skytroll
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Post by kamefromsky on Aug 6, 2008 14:11:24 GMT -5
thank you skytroll.
at times those gases were methane.
won't go into detail.
i agree 100% with what you say.
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Post by stevefrey on Aug 6, 2008 14:15:46 GMT -5
Yes Grace the objects in video's came from me. So Steve , if this replicated mite is squeezing in the core of our hair , is that the reason why it bites our faces ,eyes ears ,nose and mouth.? And is that why our hair can moves... because it has this mite inside? I have a photo of my hair that has something that looks like a snail on it you think that it could be a mite that is in a larva stage? Great video massena I believe that atleast in this case the mite is only a temporary form, this may be true with many forms the organism may mimic, I do not know however if all of the organisms the sponge replicates have the ability to morph into something else or back into the sponge. I have another video of the "mite" with approximately half of it inside the hair but nothing is moving, by this time the "mite" resembles only a blob and is apparently changing shape. I do not believe that the organism in the form of a mite is hanging out in hair, instead I think what causes our hair to exhibit a life of it's own is one of two things, either the organism assumns a more linear form like the fibers enabling it to inhabit the interior of a hair, or the organism copies the genetic code contained in the cells of the hair and then literally mimics the hair itself. Bizarre yes, unbelievable maybe, but just remember how bizarre the symptoms of morgellons are before passing judgement on this idea. Which brings me to another idea that I have, very tentative right now but I'll throw it out there anyway. Since I haven't researched this angle much I will ask this question and hopefully someone here will know the answer, The cotton our clothes are made from, wouldn't it be possible to obtain DNA from it? If so , and if my idea that the sponge can process the genetic code of other organisms is correct, then why couldn't it replicate cotton? Personally I believe that atleast some of the morgellons fibers are ALIVE, how else could they exhibit movement like that in the videos, unmistakable, long duration, life movements. Regarding your pic massena, the object could easily pass for a sponge, without a spicule skeleton the sponge is nothing more than a transparent blob capable of disassociating itself into single cells. If it can do this then there should be no limit to the shape it can assumn.
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Post by kamefromsky on Aug 6, 2008 14:15:47 GMT -5
perhaps overlapping conditions need to be separated.
i agree that morgellons is a fungal environmental disease.
however
nanos as per Dr. S, I believe is another syndrome all in itself
are we confusing fungal infestation with nano toxicity as all inclusive?
i don't see where fungals and nanos would have a happy marriage.
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Post by skytroll on Aug 6, 2008 14:16:23 GMT -5
that video was very interesting, you could see the gases.
methane involved with the yeast and fungus as well.
this is a tough road isn't it?
sponge material def involved somehow, too
skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Aug 6, 2008 14:18:34 GMT -5
I am thinking the initial assembly of the nano could be from fungal or spores the initiation of the nano cell.
From nothing we have something? just poking here, but, not sure whether the gases would provide the spontaneous generation or replication?
Skytroll
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Post by kamefromsky on Aug 6, 2008 14:20:21 GMT -5
sponges and coral from markers used in chemtrails.
odd subject, but my flatulence has changed since morgellons. they no longer sound or have the same smell. and it exits when it wants to, not when i can.
spontaneous flatulence. i'm a gas at parties. especially the pull my finger parties.
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Post by stevefrey on Aug 6, 2008 14:24:26 GMT -5
Is any of this getting your attention yet?Yes, we are food, no doubt about it, for mites, springtails and other things. What is infecting us is very small, probably fungal in nature. Did you read the article the other day on the fungi coming in from the Congo in Africa and from Central America riding in on smoke from large fires they set? That is probably the cause of Morgellons, bizarre, exotic fungi ... I've always felt Fungi is playing a major role in all of this Grady but at this point in time I am leaning towards the idea that the fungi involved are actually replicates produced by the sponge, the same with bacteria. I say this because the evidence that sponges are replicating Fungi is significant with 681 strains of Fungi having been isolated from only 16 sponges, some of them novel strains, what other explanation could there be for something like this other than the idea that the sponge is producing them?
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Post by stevefrey on Aug 6, 2008 14:41:30 GMT -5
Steve, A video...... www.worldhealthnet.tv/video/power-cell-dr-frank-schallenberger-2Posted on: 24 June 2008 Mitochondria produce energy in the cell. Factors such as aging, environmental toxins, and disease can cause mitochondrial dysfunction. Frank Schallenberger, M.D. developed a test to measure mitochondrial health, which will help in diagnosing and ultimately preventing cell damage. Tags: Mitochondria, mitochondrial health, cell damage Hi Marie, actually it is believed that it is mitochondria itself that CAUSE aging, which inturn causes mitochondrial dysfunction. The question of the day is, and this would probably only apply to those who believe we did not evolve from single celled organisms and instead arrived here very similar to what we are now, if science is correct in their assumption that mitochondria is the result of an ancient symbiont relationship with bacteria then at one time our cells did not contain it, how did our bodies exist without it then and just what kind of existance did we have without it?
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Post by felixwillford on Aug 6, 2008 15:23:31 GMT -5
Steve,
I knew you would make sense out of it.
Thanks, Kmarie
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Post by stevefrey on Aug 8, 2008 1:03:46 GMT -5
This article strongly supports the theory of replication by the sponge, so why can't any of the scientists working on it put two and two together? This article is about the intestinal microbiota in the human body and on page 7 is a list of Fungi and Bacteria associated with this microbiota. EACH AND EVERY ONE of the organisms in this list are consistently found as so=called "symbionts" of the sponge, twelve organisms, the odds of this being a coincidence are probably greater than those of me winning the lottery, it's time for everyone to open their eyes, this is not a coincidence, these organisms are found in us because the sponge is in us and it is producing replicas of these organisms. There is no other explanation and I challange anyone to prove me wrong. Oh and go to page six and see what organism is at the very bottom of their tree, "Porifera", the Phylum of the sponges. THE CORE MICROBIOTA WITHIN USwww.vetmed.helsinki.fi/apalva/Rajilic-Stojanovic%20Gut%20Day%20FIN%202007.pdf
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Post by skytroll on Aug 8, 2008 12:16:27 GMT -5
Nevertheless notice there is a root to the tree as well, that could be wherein the main seed, egg, spore, embryo begins?
The root of the tree has not been established yet. Woese must know?
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Post by skytroll on Aug 8, 2008 12:24:05 GMT -5
from the evolutionary tree of life. Think they may have missed something, Steve? mmmmmm seems Woese was obsessed with the progenitior or the protoctist, I agree that this is in the building of the cell, replacing our cells. www.tolweb.org/life_on_earth/1What I am wondering if the majority and the scientists relied on this evolutionary tree of life, and which one was put in practice, in other words forced/directed evolution. Do you know when this event could have happened? recent? or ongoing? and how about the origin of DNA? www.dnaftb.org/dnaftb/15/concept/Skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Aug 8, 2008 12:27:35 GMT -5
Between Margulis and Woese, I do believe we can find the answers.
Add Watson's and CSH's work.
They do know the genetic code.
Skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Aug 8, 2008 12:41:36 GMT -5
Sponge not involved with nano? look what they have made and can make! One of the ongoing goals of nanotechnology is to easily and inexpensively create high-performance materials structured at the nanoscale. And one of the most promising strategies is to attempt to mimic nature's remarkable ability to self-assemble complex shapes with nanoscale precision. Now researchers at the University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB), using clues gleaned from marine sponges, have developed a method of synthesizing semiconducting materials with useful structures and novel electronic properties. The first applications could be ways to make materials for more powerful batteries and highly efficient solar cells at a lower price. "We are accessing structures that in some cases had never been achieved before. And in some cases we're discovering electronic properties that had never been known before for that class of materials," says Daniel Morse, professor of molecular genetics and biochemistry at UCSB, who led the project. The method works with a wide variety of materials. So far, he says, the group has made "30 different kinds of oxides, hydroxides, and phosphates." [Click here for images of nature-based, nanoscale materials.] more here "The scientists developed a synthesis method that uses the basic principles behind the natural assembly method: slow catalysis and the use of a physical template. They found they were able to assemble not only glass, but also a variety of semiconducting materials that could be useful in devices. The method begins with a solution of molecular precursors. The researchers then expose the solution to ammonia vapor, which, as it slowly diffuses into the solution, acts as a catalyst. The physical template for the material is the surface of the solution. At this surface, where the vapor concentration is greatest, the material forms a thin film." could that thin film be what I just pulled off my face, with the glass like protruding creatures? ...""At first the crystals form at the [surface], but with time they begin to project down into the solution like stalactites growing down from the roof of a cave," Morse says. "What you end up with is a nanostructured thin film of semiconductor with very high surface area because of all the projecting thin plates or needles that project down into the solution." The method works at low temperatures, about room temperature, whereas conventional techniques for making semiconducting thin films require a high temperatures -- 400 degrees Celsius, Morse says. It also does not require oft-used harsh acids and bases. In addition to making the process cheaper and easier, the mild conditions could lead to devices that incorporate materials that would be impossible to use with conventional processes. Sometimes, for example, the materials that can be used in a device are limited by the high temperatures used to make the materials. "If you can make them all at room temperature, then you may be able to dope them with dopants that you normally couldn't use at high temperature," says Angela Belcher, materials science and engineering and biological engineering professor at MIT, who finds Morse's work "very exciting." Ultimately, the payoff from Morse's work studying biological mechanisms may be more than novel thin films, says Aravinda Kini, U.S. Department of Energy materials science and engineering programs manager. Although the current process works only for thin films, further understanding of the catalysis and templating methods of sponges could one day make it possible to fabricate complex machine parts by piecing together molecules. "It's still a dream, but imagine the blade of an aircraft engine being assembled from the bottom up, without any defects, without any very expensive fabrication methods," he says. "That's what is possible. That's what people are dreaming about.""...... www.technologyreview.com/Nanotech/16959/?a=f"The flat plates, which are high-quality crystals formed with a new bio-inspired technique, could lead to high-performance devices.",,,, A sponge's guide to nano assembly takes a bit to download, but, you can see the plates. www.technologyreview.com/player/06/06/06Bullis/3.aspxSkytroll ......and will anything, anything get in the way of their dreams? Conjectured dreams or real dreams? ......that is not what my dreams lately have been made of. ...... only trying to find out how much of this is inside of me and my dreams keep trying to tell me. Skytroll
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Post by stevefrey on Aug 8, 2008 21:10:19 GMT -5
Sky you've always impressed me with how fast you can locate information, your a talented researcher, you find what your looking for, which is why I've made a couple of attempts the past year that we've known each other to get you into my corner. I would like to ask a favor of you Sky, the next time you research something regarding sponges or bacteria try to purge your brain of the man-made angle for a hour or two and focus on how nature could do this and just see what you find, if it's an adventure you want there is certainly one waiting. Science knows so little about this little creature that could be more than a billion years old and there are many questions that need answers.
Last night I stumbled over something that my intuition tells me is a key component, it involves viruses. Up to now I've put viruses on the back burner because I didn't need another group of organisms to study with everything else I was looking at, my mistake because after only a couple of hours of reading about one virus in particular I'm pretty certain now they're involved. A virus that infects bacteria, they're called bacteriophage or just phages (fags ?). and they're associated with "sponge associated" bacteria, personally I'm thinking that what science is calling phages may just be the result of the sponge and it's replications, or else the sponge is just another place for this organism to live. It's a fresh topic Sky, tear it up. I know one thing, I could sure use some people in my corner and really all you have to do to get there is read what I've read, it's a fairly solid case when you get down to it.
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Post by morgie on Aug 8, 2008 22:40:44 GMT -5
A virus that infects bacteria, they're called bacteriophage or just phages (fags ?). and they're associated with "sponge associated" bacteria, personally I'm thinking that what science is calling phages may just be the result of the sponge and it's replications, or else the sponge is just another place for this organism to live. It's a fresh topic Sky, tear it up. I think for Sky has written about bacteriophages recently, as well as KMarie, Godsgrace and others maybe. It was discussed here several years ago too i think i remember. I will do a search of it.
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Post by skytroll on Aug 9, 2008 2:02:18 GMT -5
Hey, wow, know about those bacteriophages, seems they are are natural machine in and of themselves, Steve. But, viruses do replicate, however, lets see now, the bacteria in sponge, endosymbiotic, the virus would replicate only when that particular bacteria is present. So, what bacteria would a sponge carry? this is interesting: ...."Marine sponges were the first multicellular organisms to evolve on earth that are still alive. This implies that the relationship between the sponge and its bacterial inhabitants may also be very old", says Dr Detmer Sipkema. "Therefore sponges are interesting to study the evolution of symbiosis, teaching us about the way different organisms have developed their mutual relationships"..... more: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070903204947.htmNow if they were the first multicellular organism< then the reductionists (evolutionists) would have to have discovered this, or inferred it. Seems the broken link or missing link would have been between the one celled prokaryote and the multicelled eukaryote. What brought the one celled into the multicelled? Wow, Steve, endocytobiosis: wonder how that relates to endobiosis...... So, the prokayote and the eukaryote event presumed to take place in the sponge? Had not considered it. INTERACTIONS BETWEEN PROKARYOTIC AND EUKARYOTIC CELLS IN SPONGE ENDOCYTOBIOSIS ..."It has long been known that many massive sponges contain symbiotic bacteria (Dosse 1939; Levi and Levi 1965; Bertrand and Vacelet 1971; Bautista 1972; Sarà et al. 1973; Sarà and Vacelet 1973). Most symbionts are free-living in the mesohyl without evidence of interaction with the host sponge cells. Vacelet and Donadey (1977), Wilkinson (1978; 1979) and Rutzler (1990), however, have postulated the existence of populations of symbiotic bacteria in specialized host cells known as bacteriocytes or cyanocytes. This suggests the possibility of a close association between bacteria and sponge cells. In this paper we report the preliminary results of a study on thin sections and freeze-fracture replicas of Petrosia ficiformis (Poiret) (Demospongia). Fine morphological aspects of the endosymbiotic association in sponges are described.".... more: tinyurl.com/66gxzozs.thulb.uni-jena.de/servlets/MCRFileNodeServlet/jportal_derivate_00100724/ECR_09_1992_215-221_Bigliardi.pdf wonder if bacteriocytes (which are in certain sponges )and bacteriophages are similar. Skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Aug 9, 2008 2:10:53 GMT -5
oops you were talking about porifera, not the above particular sponge. Tricoplex adherans. Steve, have you seen these? the moving tricoplax adherans. wow....... www.metamorphnet.org/pb/wp_1c29c969.htmlSkytroll
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Post by stevefrey on Aug 9, 2008 3:44:27 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned Sky trichoplax adhaerens is a reduced sponge, science may place them both in their own phylums but when you consider the fact that they are the only organisms that share the very significant trait of cell disassociation/reaggregation this reasoning is hard to understand. Two numbers say so very much 1700 & 681, the number of species of bacteria and fungi, respectively, that have been isolated from sponges. The truth is in here somewhere, whether or not the sponge/trichoplax is the core or just another pawn will eventually be known, but I know the answer is very close. This bacteria might also provide some clues, TM7, heard of it? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17364249
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