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Post by bessie on Jun 5, 2008 8:55:04 GMT -5
So your contention, Steve, is that all these bizarre and disparate things - biological (maybe) or otherwise are replicated by "sponges", and not by nanotechnology (which is uniquely designed for that purpose, and is in an unbelievably widespread number of application all around us). I don't think I've ever come in contact with any but synthetic sponges. But I sure have been in contact with dirt (did a ton of digging a few months before I got sick) and bird mites. If this stuff is spread through chemtrails, dirt and birds - who are in the air and in the dirt all the time - are the most likely source. Bessie
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Post by freyman on Jun 5, 2008 14:09:54 GMT -5
So your contention, Steve, is that all these bizarre and disparate things - biological (maybe) or otherwise are replicated by "sponges", and not by nanotechnology (which is uniquely designed for that purpose, and is in an unbelievably widespread number of application all around us). I don't think I've ever come in contact with any but synthetic sponges. But I sure have been in contact with dirt (did a ton of digging a few months before I got sick) and bird mites. If this stuff is spread through chemtrails, dirt and birds - who are in the air and in the dirt all the time - are the most likely source. Bessie We have a very bizarre disease that begs for an explanation, to most people the symptoms are so unusual that they refuse to accept it. Those of us who are exhibiting these symptoms know this is real but yet that knowledge does not help explain what is happening. It has become evident that organisms from numerous Phylums and possibly all four Kingdoms are directly related to this disease and what I am propossing is the only thing that can logically explain this. Combine the need for an explanation with the following factors and I believe there is a very strong case. According to Dr Hildy the chemical composition of the fibers is consistent with man-made fiber optics, the sponge has been found to produce fiberous spicules with the same characteristic. The mental effects of this disease are very evident and one possible explanation for this, put forth by Randy Wymore, is the presense of a biotoxin, the sponge is known to produce such toxins and will use them for defensive purposes. Slow healing, self generating lesions with fibers are commonly reported. The chemical defenses used by the sponge are known to have serious dermatological effects and the production of spines and/or spicules is an inducible characteristic triggered by defensive actions. Joint pain is widespread, the sponge produces calcite which will cause joint paint if overdosed in the human body. Reports of seeing Orange fluorescense under ultraviloet light is commonly reported by morgellons sufferers. Calcite, which is produced in large quantity by the sponge, glows orange under ultraviolet.
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Post by liz on Jun 5, 2008 18:02:50 GMT -5
Steve Frey I have been following you and your studies and opinions and belive you have hit this right on the nose...I have never been so sure of anything in my life so this is the direction of study as well as the bryozoans that I am going to dedicate my study and reading time to....and I do not think any of it will end up being a waste of time.....but we all have the right to our own opinions on what this is or how to best treat it...we should all have that right.....and make sure we keep that right....... It sure can get confusing at times however!
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Post by freyman on Jun 5, 2008 19:34:11 GMT -5
Steve Frey I have been following you and your studies and opinions and belive you have hit this right on the nose...I have never been so sure of anything in my life so this is the direction of study as well as the bryozoans that I am going to dedicate my study and reading time to....and I do not think any of it will end up being a waste of time.....but we all have the right to our own opinions on what this is or how to best treat it...we should all have that right.....and make sure we keep that right....... It sure can get confusing at times however! Welcome aboard Liz, it's great to have you. I promise you the more you learn about the sponge the more you will be convinced that it is the origin of so many illnesses. I've decided on a course of action for trying to prove the theory and I believe our best bet is going to be getting confirmation that the morgellons fibers are indeed sponge spicules. I have a feeling that DNA is going to be difficult to find and since the sponge has no real description, other than that it's a blob, it will be difficult to identify. So if you know anyone that has experience with sponge spicules try to solicite for their assistance. Thanks for your support Liz
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Post by freyman on Jun 5, 2008 20:30:53 GMT -5
The science world is a buzz about a recent finding regarding the sponge Genome. Of course the evolutionists jumped right on this one by claiming it proves we evolved from sponges. Well I have a better explanation for this finding than they do, the genetic coding that they have found inside the genome of the sponge is similar to a human nervous system because it is of a human nervous system and the sponge has it because it copied it from us. notexactlyrocketscience.wordpress.com/2007/06/08/simple-sponges-provide-clues-to-origin-of-nervous-system/
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Post by freyman on Jun 5, 2008 20:59:33 GMT -5
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Post by skytroll on Jun 5, 2008 21:06:48 GMT -5
Punched a hole in Evolution didn't you?
"Of course the evolutionists jumped right on this one by claiming it proves we evolved from sponges. Well I have a better explanation for this finding than they do, the genetic coding that they have found inside the genome of the sponge is similar to a human nervous system because it is of a human nervous system and the sponge has it because it copied it from us."
Now, how did it copy from us? "The ship would be upside down, so to speak?"
This is fascinating.
Skytroll
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Post by freyman on Jun 7, 2008 6:09:52 GMT -5
I was a strong believer in evolution a yeal ago Sky, until I realized that science is missinterpreting the evidence that they use to support the theory of evolution ,such as the similarity of the sponge genome to the human genome. There is another explanation for their similarity, an explanation that answers a lot of questions. I have some exciting news that I am working on right now, I hope to post it this weekend so stay tuned Punched a hole in Evolution didn't you? "Of course the evolutionists jumped right on this one by claiming it proves we evolved from sponges. Well I have a better explanation for this finding than they do, the genetic coding that they have found inside the genome of the sponge is similar to a human nervous system because it is of a human nervous system and the sponge has it because it copied it from us." Now, how did it copy from us? "The ship would be upside down, so to speak?" This is fascinating. Skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Jun 7, 2008 7:54:52 GMT -5
Do you mean Homeobox genes, like the fly, the worm, etc.?
But, what do you think about the Archaea being inside the sponge as well?
Seems makes a nice home for many things.
Some of them are so beautiful.
Look forward to what you found, meanwhile we hash out the fungi again.
Seem there were some things we missed with fungi as well.
You know what, this thing could build itself, just like nature always does.
Skytroll
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Post by freyman on Jun 8, 2008 1:17:35 GMT -5
As many of you know I've pushed the Sponge and Bryozoan theories for quite a while now and I am here today to announce that I am quite certain I have identifed the species of Animal that is at the core of the morgellons infection. Trichoplax Adhaerens is a species of the phylum Placozoa which is composed of no fewer than five highly divergent clades, it's position in respect to the other basal animals is debated but it is extremely close to Porifera. I contend that it possesses traits and characteristics similar enough to those seen in morgellons to conclude that it is the origin of this disease. I contend that some species classified in the Phylums Porifera, Choanozoa, Fungi, and Placozoa, share characteristics in respect to the size of their mitochondrial genomes, and that these characteristics indicate that they have the ability to store the genetic code of other organisms, and that the Poriferans and Placozoans can replicate these organisms as well, at this time there is no reason to believe Fungi and Choanozoa share this ability. In our oceans today, all over the world, Porifera clearly exhibit this trait but it is apparently misinterpreted. Placozoans are no different, they are being studied worldwide and the findings from laboratory studies provide overwhelming support to this idea. Eventhough Trichoplax adhaerens is considered by science to be a free living marine animal it is my contention that it is also parasitic and capable of surviving within other organisms. Placozoans were discovered in the late 1880's living on the walls of an aquarium in a European laboratory. It's a small flat grayish animal growing to a maximum of 3mm in diametre, it's body is made up of a few thousand cells at most and, though basically disc shaped, it bears a superficial resemblance to a giant amoeba which changes shape as it moves around. It has no front or back and moves in any direction. It has only two layers of cells and 4 different types of cells making it the simplest of all multicellular organisms. The two cell layers, its top and bottom surface enclose a fluid filled space containing a network of stellate fibre cells. They have no nerves, sensory cells, tissues, muscles, or organs. Lipid inclusions, called 'shiny spheres' which are thought to be of a defensive nature, are regularly distributed over the dorsal epithelia. Two types of spherical forms of this organism appear sporadically in cultures, Hollow spheres and solid spheres densely packed with fiber cells. Their colors vary from almost colorless to bright pink, depending on the substrate composition and color. The smallest individuals are roughly circular, and they take on increasingly irregular shapes as they grow, from somewhat ameba-like to the long stringy forms commonly seen in older laboratory cultures or after placozoans have been growing and multiplying on aquarium glass for some time. The occasional development of a ring-shaped form with a hole in the center has been documented in film, the ring subsequently breaks through, producing a long, stringy shape, and fragments generated from both free ends crawl away as small individuals, I haven't had the time to search for this video. It has been observed that at the 64 cell stage of developement of Trichoplax the cells cease to separate while the nuclear DNA continues to multiply until the nucleus bursts.Self destructing DNA? now if it hadn't been around for over 100 years that could raise some eyebrows. At times Trichoplax seems to just dissentegrate. These may be reasons why DNA is difficult to acquire in diseases such as mad cow and morgellons. Trichoplax Adhaerens is known to contain neurotoxins. Placozoans are almost invisible on any substrate except clear glass, which would explain why they have never been observed in their natural habitat. In my opinion this characteristic goes a long way in explaining a lot of things. Most of what has been learned about their biology has come from studying cultures of them kept alive in various laboratories around the world. It is very seldomly recognised and its known distribution reflects the distribution of marine biology research stations rather than its true geographic distribution.. Placozoans are collected by placing glass slides in the ocean and lab pools and retreiving them after 10 to 15 days. Eleven years of continuous sampling from 1989 through 2000 by a study based in Shirahama, Japan showed that placozoans are present year-round on both the field and lab slides. Variation in the abundance of placozoans sampled within each year was reflected in a sharp increase during the late summer and early winter. Together with Placozoans on the recovered slides are representatives of most phyla of sessile invertebrates, protists, algae, solitary and colonial vorticellids, spirorbid and other serpulid polychaetes, and folliculinids, this is consistently observed and a few particular organisms often dominate the microcommunity to the point where one may almost predict placozoans by the presence of these other associates, in rare occasions Placozoans are also found without any associates. Predation between the different organisms observed on the slides has never been seen but other organsims have been seen avoiding or recoiling after contact with a Placozoan. In one report a small snail was watched as it headed straight for a placozoan, clearing a swath with its radula as it went. Just before reaching the placozoan, the snail extended one tentacle anteriorly, touched the placozoan, recoiled abruptly, turned, and proceeded in another direction. A swimming placozoan caught in the feeding current of a small sabellid tubeworm was passed down the food-groove to the mouth, where it was rejected, flicked out into the water, and then caught again; this process was repeated six times, until the placozoan finally contacted the substrate, adhered, and crept away, apparently unharmed. When placozoans were placed onto the tentacles of three species of hydroids they caused paralysis. After transferring the placozoans from the tentacles to the mouth, the polyp became immobile and unresponsive. By 24 h after contact with a single placozoan, some polyps had recovered, but exposing a polyp to placozoans two days in a row was fatal. Ciliates, tiny nematodes, and other small animals are seen sometimes crawling around or under placozoans without displaying any reaction or evoking any visible response from the placozoans. There is much I haven't got a chance to read yet but what i have read is enough for me to feel completely confident that this is the organsim at the center of all this. Here are some links to Trichoplax Adhaerens. A Weird Wee Beastie: Trichoplax adhaerens www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/indexmag.html?http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artoct98/tricho.htmlRef: www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/phyla/placozoa/placozoa.htmlwww.genome.gov/Pages/Research/Sequencing/SeqProposals/TrichoplaxSEQ021203.pdfwww.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1470968www.yale.edu/yibs/YEN_Fall_2006.pdfwww.peabody.yale.edu/collections/iz/iz_genome.html
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Post by greemajan on Jun 8, 2008 5:30:10 GMT -5
It would be so simple if this were a marine organism. After 11 years of research I have compiled a lot of photos. Here is my new website with the paper I wrote that was presented to members of an environmental committee in Washington. It contains 55 photos and a couple of videos. It is available at Rense.com as well as my new website. morgellonsexposed.com/ Each person has to determine what disease they have for themselves. Variations in symptoms and exudates are part of the disease. There is no pragmatic answer for what each of us has. I am always interested in seeing the microscopic photos of Morgellons from people before I even believe they actually have the disease. Disinformation is here, there and everywhere. Show me your photos and research before you make your absolute declarations. I am happy to show you mine. I am just curious, did Prevenge ever have any photos of his disease to share - or just that video on YouTube where he used everyone else's photos? Still Feisty, GreemaJan
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Post by janedough on Jun 8, 2008 6:39:16 GMT -5
Hello Steve, Please consider the Zinc Finger Domain, put forth by silentsuperbug.com This will clear things up somewhat. It will also explain the mental issues: www.zincfingers.org/ Please enter the site and read. Thank you, Jane
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Post by freyman on Jun 8, 2008 7:01:29 GMT -5
No thank you Jane, my feet are on solid ground and I have no desire to perpetuate the man-made angle, it is unsubstantiated, unwarrented, and extremely destructive to the cause and needs to stop, the damage that it is doing is unparalled and in my thread it will receive no consideration. Hello Steve, Please consider the Zinc Finger Domain, put forth by silentsuperbug.com This will clear things up somewhat. It will also explain the mental issues: www.zincfingers.org/ Please enter the site and read. Thank you, Jane
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Post by Jill on Jun 8, 2008 10:22:06 GMT -5
Sid, You mention the diatoms- agreed- these images look like Diatoms- probably because that is what they are. We had a thread on the subject. Which is what you refer to- Man made adjustments- produce diatoms that can survive and even thrive in the dark (let's say a body, for example): Excerpt: Scientists have now found that by inserting just one gene that catalyzes glucose transport into the diatom Phaeodactylum tricornutum, the organism can thrive in the dark, getting its energy exclusively from the glucose. end excerpt www.unisci.com/stories/20012/0615013.htm The above from the article: Photosynthetic Algae Altered To Grow Without Sunlight So this would explain- how these things can survive in the body- and confirms the mention by many researchers of the glucose involved in Morgellons. Citovsky comes to mind- who stated that the fibers were long chains of polysaccharides- perhaps to feed the altered diatoms? What is known, via Citovsky- is that there was Agrobacterium found. The variety that causes neoplastic growths- and represents the ONLY known cause of trans kingdom DNA transfer. Think silica. Hildy has the proof of the presence of silica (silicone and high density Polyethlyene fibers). Why don't we stick to what is proven? Build from there... Citovsky proved the above- with PCR tests on the Morgellons subjects. January 14, 2007 Research update from Vitaly Citovsky, Ph.D. Our continuing screen of additional Morgellons patients has identified Agrobacterium genetic material in three additional individuals. Thus, all Morgellons patients screened to date have tested positive for the presence of Agrobacterium, whereas this microorganism has not been detected in any of the samples derived from the control, healthy individuals. More good reading: www.i-sis.org.uk/agrobacteriumAndMorgellons.php?printing=yes Interesting experiment going on inside of us- the lab rats. Jill
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Post by freyman on Jun 8, 2008 10:25:50 GMT -5
It would be so simple if this were a marine organism. After 11 years of research I have compiled a lot of photos. Here is my new website with the paper I wrote that was presented to members of an environmental committee in Washington. It contains 55 photos and a couple of videos. It is available at Rense.com as well as my new website. morgellonsexposed.com/ Each person has to determine what disease they have for themselves. Variations in symptoms and exudates are part of the disease. There is no pragmatic answer for what each of us has. I am always interested in seeing the microscopic photos of Morgellons from people before I even believe they actually have the disease. Disinformation is here, there and everywhere. Show me your photos and research before you make your absolute declarations. I am happy to show you mine. I am just curious, did Prevenge ever have any photos of his disease to share - or just that video on YouTube where he used everyone else's photos? Still Feisty, GreemaJan Yes it certainly is Greemajan, by way of the man-made angle, and it's doing a supurb job of keeping this disease surrounded by a vail of mystery and turning away the mainstream, take a bow. If you go back in this thread you will see where I have already posted the location of my pics.
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Post by freyman on Jun 8, 2008 10:34:21 GMT -5
If you go back in this thread you will see where I have already explained why Agrobacterium is associated with morgellons, it is found in the genome of the sponge, it has nothing to do with any experiments and it is not a result of something done by man, what are you people getting out of spinning this disease. You obviously don't want to find an answer because you do more harm than good.
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Post by greeneyes on Jun 8, 2008 10:46:48 GMT -5
What Jan asked for was completely legitimate and I will one up that request---
besides photos I would like to know if while doing your research and your viewing if everything is free of other electrical input--
which means your body must also be contained in a protective suit---this organism has the ability to interface with minds---what makes one think it can't become what you want it to? It obviously has significant morphing abilities---
greeneyes
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Post by freyman on Jun 8, 2008 11:02:52 GMT -5
What Jan asked for was completely legitimate and I will one up that request--- besides photos I would like to know if while doing your research and your viewing if everything is free of other electrical input-- which means your body must also be contained in a protective suit--- this organism has the ability to interface with minds---what makes one think it can't become what you want it to? It obviously has significant morphing abilities--- greeneyes "this organism has the ability to interface with minds" I am inclined to agree with this statement Greeneyes, to some degree, which is even more reason not to beleive it is man-made, I'm not so sure about the "protective suit" though.
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Post by skytroll on Jun 8, 2008 11:16:08 GMT -5
But, what are all the studies on the origin of Mitochondria?
Seem this fits what the mitochondria is.
And this is not man made? The novel organism was created in a lab.
Fits the progenitor theory of origin of life. Metazoan.
It may not be a nano machine, but the natural TA can fit the mitochondria of man.
our body plans, are from natural organisms, however, this one is quite elusive? according to evolutionary theory our mitochondria came from this?
I think human genes were put in this, and that is why the mitochondria in the cell of humans looks exactly like this.
It did not copy our genes, Our genes were put in it, just like they were in the rice.
Back evo devo. The cruelest trick to prove Gaia and Evolutionary Theory, with use of all things natural.
I think my theory still holds true, but, this did not appear on its own with our genes in it.
Body plans: all part of evo devo, developing species change by the circle of life, can only be done in circular genome, integrated into linear double stranded genome.
To make man part of the earth. Do you think this happens on its own?
All natural isn't it? nano just a way to use the evolution of this creature, to represent parts of man's cells. Evolutionary development, to change the species, an intermediate in the lineages to fit evo devo theory.
Can be done in a year, what they said is done in 1,000 of years.
Homeobox genes, Hox box genes, said this from beginning, look at all the models used, what were those models for?
Body plans. Hard to detect.
If you were going to rebuild humans, where would you start?
What would be the progenitor? the root of all life?
The mitochondria.
Skytroll
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Post by bessie on Jun 8, 2008 12:46:23 GMT -5
Steve - In my opinion YOUR sponge theory as far more destructive than the man-made theory, because it obfiscates the truth. Nanotechnology is ubiquitous - a 3 trillion dollar unregulated industry that is used in everything from oil spill cleanups to cosmetics to medical applications (look it up). The warnings of the dangers of it are coming from scientists all over the world. View this publication from Congressman Wyman (D - MD), Chairman of the Sub-committee on Environment and Hazardous Materials (Jan 2008) www.nanowerk.com/news/newsid=4024.php Perhaps you should write to this congressman and all the scientists warning us about the potential consequences and tell them about sponges. Bessie
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