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Post by toni on Jul 19, 2008 9:53:46 GMT -5
Maynard says that while carbon nanotubes can look like a "light, fluffy black powder" to the naked eye, under a powerful microscope they are revealed to be "anything from what looks like a very open spider's web to a tangled ball of wool to very, very long, straight, thin fibers." www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90672156
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Post by imblownaway on Jul 19, 2008 10:28:39 GMT -5
Let me get this straight. They can't afford to test it.!!! They don't know how it enters the body but subject workers to it.!!! Is it just me.? Or does that sound really irresponsible?
Anyway it mentioned the spider web appearance. I was wondering if anyone else has seen this in spider webs?
Just the other day i noticed a newly formed spider web in my yard. From a few feet away i could see its "bouncing" movement. As if a spider were walking on the web. I got closer... there was no spider there at all. just one of those fibers that were connecting to it. It would connect and disconnect from the rest of it. as if it were looking for the perfect connection point or something. they blend right in and you cant tell the difference unless you really look for the movement. I see this sort of thing everywhere now.
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Post by imblownaway on Jul 19, 2008 10:42:41 GMT -5
Forgot to mention the black dusty mold stuff. I pulled out an old cedar chest away from the wall , on the back was covered with a dusty mold I thought it was weird but i just wiped it off. It was only superficial on the outside. I had never seen mold like that before but I am not an expert either. That happened before I knew I was ill.
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Post by bessie on Jul 19, 2008 11:06:07 GMT -5
Toni - That was a rich find! At the bottom of the article are some VERY important links. One is to a 17 minute National Public Radio discussion about safety concerns with nanotechnology - if it gets out into the environment, etc. This is really important stuff, and it illustrates how the scientific world has been very much aware of the issues related to this now ubiquitous technology. How incredibly arrogant yet stupid mankind has been... Bessie
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Post by toni on Jul 19, 2008 11:23:33 GMT -5
I agree a million percent, and I'm sure all of the world would too in two things here this represents.
Nothing is tested extensively enough before public use is applied or consumed.
GMO, Nanotechnology, and medicines. People are the guinea's.
The reasoning? Well...in a sense and reality, it's the only way.
Otherwise (we all would have to wait approx 75 years) to make sure within the normal life span of a human that there weren't any side effects to something brand new, such as drugs, gmo, or nano.
So, they test what they can and if it appears safe, then it's on the market. As time goes by, then do we see "what happens".
There's really no other way. Not that I'm giving "them" the right, but if we all had to wait 50 years or more for the next new drug/medicine, well...we wouldn't want to. So no one truly knows anything until consumers have used it...and then time will always tell what's what.
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Post by toni on Jul 19, 2008 11:28:58 GMT -5
Bessie, thank you, you're right about those links at the bottom of the page there on that link. I sure didn't even listen to that before and THIS is VERY important. Here's talk about a nano product that was pulled from the market where people were developing edema after using this spray! www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5369304Just click on (Listen) and hear the news
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Post by godsgrace on Jul 19, 2008 11:36:05 GMT -5
toni....
Nothing is tested extensively enough before public use is applied or consumed.
of course they test EVERYTHING.
all the time.
on us.
mycoplasma GM foods pesticides weather manipulation mind control chemtrails microwaves cell phones nanotech medicine ect ect ect
they test it all. on us. everyday. without our consent.
so sorry.
godsgrace
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Post by bessie on Jul 19, 2008 11:39:16 GMT -5
Toni - I understand what you are saying about medicines (up to a point). But the 2 other categories - well, as you used to say, the genie is out of the bottle. Once gmo's are in the environment, cross-pollination occurs and it can NEVER be recalled. And because nanotechnology is capable of self-replication, how is it stopped once it's "out of the bottle"? Both of these technologies SHOULD have been thought through and tested extensively before unleashing them into the world. Thanks again for that find. Bessie
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Post by felixwillford on Jul 19, 2008 12:48:32 GMT -5
Toni,
Great info here..... thanks!
The other evening PBS had something on regarding nanotubes.
Bad news. I was sleeping/awake/sleeping/awake/eyes closed etc.
SO................what I am trying to say is that I was alert enough to KNOW that there was some important news to be heard but too tired to listen.
Therefore; will go to PBS and see what aired the week of July 14th thru 18th on PBS in the EVENING.
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Post by toni on Jul 19, 2008 14:42:32 GMT -5
Kmarie, I sure hope it's on again. Thanks.
Bessie, I know we all want things tested extensively before we use them. That's not realistic though.
Otherwise, none of today's drugs for just an example would be on the market. They'd still be in testing phase for the next 75 or so years...if something today was discovered that seemed like a potential to treat a specific problem.
For every new pathogen discovered that "ails humans"...we'd have to have someone test the drug (even if it were just one person), and see for their entire life if it ever had an adverse effect, to know for certain if it did or didn't.
So the next generation then would be able to use it. But not us.
None of us can wait that long, I mean the next generation could use meds (for example) to know they're perfectly safe, since the generation prior to them "tested it for 75 years" and found that a human is not affected by using a particular medicine for instance.
Things are generally tested with a limit of time. If no adverse effects or affects occur, then it's deemed safe.
How else could "they do it"?
I can't see how they could...unless we all did without the use of anything.
I'm not "condoning" how things are done, but how else could they know? Heck even our vehicles in 10 years from now will be safer...... heck "next years" editions will be even better and safer. Because the more "accidents/deaths/shortcomings" from anything today is the only guide there is to what needs corrected tomorrow.
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Post by massena on Jul 19, 2008 18:37:22 GMT -5
Sounds like everything is trail in error these days just like in the animal kingdom . They should at least let us know we are in trail! A tangled ball of wool. Sounds like what I found..... I also have seen lots more of these spider webs about my fences, the weird thing about them is you can't wash them off with the hose and if you use your hand to wipe it down they stick to you like you wouldn't believe!!
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Post by bannanny on Jul 19, 2008 18:57:47 GMT -5
Must be our magnetic personalities, eh? love ~~ bannannas
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Post by scrambo on Jul 19, 2008 19:06:41 GMT -5
OK then, this supports my thoughts of using medicine that's been around for over 75 years. Homeopathics. Herbs. Oriental medicine. Energy medicine. Light.
We know natural medicine works because up until recently, it is all there was. You wouldn't be here, your ancestors would not have survived, if natural medicine did not work.
With this new technology, our grandchildren may not be able to say that, because they won't be here.
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Post by bessie on Jul 19, 2008 19:28:10 GMT -5
Toni - I made the exception for medication...to a point...but NOT for gmo's or nanotechnology. Something unleashed into the environment that has, built in, the capacity to perpetuate itself for eternity should be extensively studied and HIGHLY regulated. You can't unring a bell. Bessie
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Post by robertalouise26 on Jul 19, 2008 19:59:55 GMT -5
Dear lord massena I have the exact same things al over my clothing bedding furniture etc. That is a great pic thanks so much for that. Much love Roberta.
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Post by toni on Jul 20, 2008 7:05:37 GMT -5
Bessie,
I know we all make exceptions for things that aren't tested for the lifetime of a healthy human. Practically everything we use, eat and breathe and wear, isn't tested for a lifetime. Ultra-sounds, X-rays, medicines, food, cell phones, microwave ovens, and the list goes on and on. Even medicines (perpetuate) in mutations (MRSA) etc.
There is no way for us to know what damage these few things even listed are doing to us, until there are problems.
Bannanny, that pic sure does look like the Bacillus Sub doesn't it?
Scrambo, I sure agree!
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Post by jj on Jul 20, 2008 8:07:53 GMT -5
Toni, Great info here..... thanks! The other evening PBS had something on regarding nanotubes. Bad news. I was sleeping/awake/sleeping/awake/eyes closed etc. SO................what I am trying to say is that I was alert enough to KNOW that there was some important news to be heard but too tired to listen. Therefore; will go to PBS and see what aired the week of July 14th thru 18th on PBS in the EVENING. Kmarie, I watched this program during that time frame. This may be it. Video available as well as audio. www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/0304/04.html They talked about the bridge collapse in Minneapolis. I had family that used that bridge every day at least twice a day. Soooooooooo, there's apart of me that understands the importance of this technology applied to bridge monitoring of structural integrity. The other part of me that might question thorough risk assessment applied to human health in this instance ....... well I don't know or understand the technology enough to give it a thumbs down. JJ
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Post by jj on Jul 20, 2008 8:10:25 GMT -5
OK then, this supports my thoughts of using medicine that's been around for over 75 years. Homeopathics. Herbs. Oriental medicine. Energy medicine. Light. We know natural medicine works because up until recently, it is all there was. You wouldn't be here, your ancestors would not have survived, if natural medicine did not work. With this new technology, our grandchildren may not be able to say that, because they won't be here. Had the same thoughts too. JJ
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Post by felixwillford on Jul 20, 2008 10:13:22 GMT -5
Thanks JJ, I do remember the show of the bridges too! www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/teachers/programs/3401_02_nsn.htmlI think this was what I "heard" on PBS.............. NOVA scienceNOW: Space Elevator Program Overview NOVA follows scientists in their quest to produce an elevator to space made from carbon nanotubes. This NOVA scienceNOW segment: explains how an elevator to space could be constructed from a special form of carbon—a nanotube. follows contestants in a NASA competition to build and race space-elevator prototypes. describes the amazing versatility of carbon, its special properties, and its geometric forms. explains how carbon nanotubes are made. outlines the cutting-edge research regarding production of carbon nanotubes that are long enough and strong enough to use in constructing a space elevator. NOVA scienceNOW: Space Elevator I can't be sure, because their website has many shows involving nanotubes!FROM GOOGLING BELOW: This 1st one connects tether? and the Nasa elevator and carbon nanotubes?iPressl - NASA Space ElevatorWe get excited when reading articles about how carbon nanotubes are now “1 cm long” or “2 cm ... DeltaX member, appears on NOVA science NOW show on PBS ... ipressl.com/NASA_Tether_Challenge.html - 22k - Cached - Similar pages This below looks interesting too: Science | Odeo: Search, Discover and Share Digital Media from ...Mix moondust with epoxy, add a dash of carbon nanotubes, and spin. ... More ... NOVA scienceNOW host Neil deGrasse Tyson gives his "Cosmic Perspect... More ... odeo.com/categories/56-Science/episodes?page=3 - 55k - Cached - Similar pages THIS too: NOVA ScienceNOW Debate on Hydrogen Fuel Cells : TreeHuggerNova ScienceNOW, hosted by PBS, sponsored a point-counterpoint debate between Dr. Daniel ... Carbon Nanotubes Could Make Artificial Photosynthesis Possible ...www.treehugger.com/files/2005/08/nova_sciencenow.php - 61k - Cached - Similar pages Looks like there is a whole lot to carbon Nanotubes and their uses.
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Post by bannanny on Jul 20, 2008 21:18:23 GMT -5
Yeh toni, I think we discussed that once before when I first posted that pic. Who knows, maybe when I came upon Dr. Mendelsen and started writing about the B. Sub., the morgies in me started to replicate it, eh? One never knows.......
love ~~ bannannas
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