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Post by kammy on Sept 18, 2010 9:44:42 GMT -5
Does anyone have any questions before I let this thread go?
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Post by toni on Sept 18, 2010 9:53:42 GMT -5
Kammy,
What do you mean (let it go)?
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Post by kammy on Sept 18, 2010 10:43:01 GMT -5
Let it drop out of sight... it's time to move on...
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Post by toni on Sept 18, 2010 10:54:47 GMT -5
Oh. Well...I'd say, it's not hurting anything - I think if someone wants to reply to anything, they will, and if they don't, they won't. Just my thoughts when I post a thread about something. I guess I just don't know what to say really.  |
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Post by kammy on Sept 18, 2010 11:26:02 GMT -5
I thought I'd try a different method... I'm sure some have questions, as in... 'What do you think a baculovirus really is?' hehe
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Post by bannanny on Sept 19, 2010 11:38:55 GMT -5
It's always gonna be here if anyone decides to pull it back up to the first page again kammy... but if you're tired of posting on it and want to bring something new up, then go for it girl! We love everything you do... I'm just sorry I don't respond well to the research threads anymore. But I know you understand why I don't...
love you kiddo ~~ bannanny
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Post by kammy on Sept 19, 2010 18:03:02 GMT -5
Thanks for your support, guys... there's some good info in here in the past pages... now... we just need for some science mind to come along and help us - we keep waiting, don't we?
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Post by jeany on Sept 27, 2010 15:23:35 GMT -5
Sorry Kammy, we can't let this thread go YET....something just 'kicked in' about the biosensors used as a detector for pesticidal contamination...and yep..sure enough...biosensors are used directly in the baculovirus pesticidal system: peds.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/1/43.full......To detect traces of insecticides in the environment using biosensors, we engineered Drosophila acetylcholinesterase (AChE) to increase its sensitivity and its rate of phosphorylation or carbamoylation by organophosphates or carbamates. The mutants made by site-directed mutagenesis were expressed in baculovirus. In addition to their rapidity and low cost, biosensor-based methods have two other advantages: they allow the detection of insecticides inhibiting AChE, even in a mixture of different compounds at low concentrations in the same sample, and also they permit the identification of the insecticide by using several electrodes bearing different enzymes and an artificial neural network Truncated cDNA encoding soluble AChEs, wild-type or mutated, of Drosophila melanogaster were expressed with the baculovirus system..... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila_melanogaster |
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Post by kammy on Sept 28, 2010 8:12:50 GMT -5
So, we produce the AChE enzyme naturally in the human body and now the pesticides contain an artificially bioengineered AChE from insect DNA, the fly, in particular? And, it's possible that the artificial AChE is interfering with our natural production to create amyloid fibers?
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Post by jeany on Sept 28, 2010 8:35:55 GMT -5
Pesticides are known to be AChE inhibitors. AChE is a very important enzyme for several body functions, including brain. If this enzyme is malfunctional it can come to diseases such as Alzheimer through the overproduction of amyloids. So, my thought here is: If bio-engineered insect/fly AChE is 'inserted' in to the baculovirus (which actually inhibits natural human AChE production), it would come to a 'takeover' of insect/fly AChE in the body instead. Therefore the fibers/amyloids our body produces are originated from insect dna rather than a 'natural' form of amyloidosis causing Alzheimer for example. This could possibly explain the fiber movements and the 'worm-like' appearances people are reporting and the unknown protein 'found' in M samples. The baculovirus proteins Falpe and P10 are known to produce fibers in infected cells in insects and are also able to 'invade' human cells. Here is some more info on it, if you are interested: morgellons2.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/insect-virus-proteins-falpe-and-p10-self-associate-to-form-filaments-in-infected-cells/morgellons2.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/formation-of-actin-filaments-in-mammalian-cells-baculovirus-protein-falpe-and-p10/morgellons2.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/amyloids-a-form-of-cytoplasmic-fibrils-in-humans/So, what do we have here so far? A baculovirus pesticidal system which inhibits natural AChE production and instead replaces it with insect/fly enzymes and bio-engineered proteins which lead to an overproduction of non-human fibrous material...AND..if we look at the biosensors implicated in to this system also...we would also have the 'nano-aspect' with all it's components and it's ability of self-replication and re-assembling over and over again. I believe, since these biosensor 'nano-beads' are coated with Fe/O/Au that to stop this cycle and the replication, would be to antagonize with zinc supplements in high doses over a period of time. |
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Post by violet on Sept 28, 2010 10:37:47 GMT -5
Pesticides are known to be AChE inhibitors. AChE is a very important enzyme for several body functions, including brain. If this enzyme is malfunctional it can come to diseases such as Alzheimer through the overproduction of amyloids. So, my thought here is: If bio-engineered insect/fly AChE is 'inserted' in to the baculovirus (which actually inhibits natural human AChE production), it would come to a 'takeover' of insect/fly AChE in the body instead. Therefore the fibers/amyloids our body produces are originated from insect dna rather than a 'natural' form of amyloidosis causing Alzheimer for example. This could possibly explain the fiber movements and the 'worm-like' appearances people are reporting and the unknown protein 'found' in M samples. The baculovirus proteins Falpe and P10 are known to produce fibers in infected cells in insects and are also able to 'invade' human cells. Here is some more info on it, if you are interested: morgellons2.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/insect-virus-proteins-falpe-and-p10-self-associate-to-form-filaments-in-infected-cells/morgellons2.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/formation-of-actin-filaments-in-mammalian-cells-baculovirus-protein-falpe-and-p10/morgellons2.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/amyloids-a-form-of-cytoplasmic-fibrils-in-humans/So, what do we have here so far? A baculovirus pesticidal system which inhibits natural AChE production and instead replaces it with insect/fly enzymes and bio-engineered proteins which lead to an overproduction of non-human fibrous material...AND..if we look at the biosensors implicated in to this system also...we would also have the 'nano-aspect' with all it's components and it's ability of self-replication and re-assembling over and over again. I believe, since these biosensor 'nano-beads' are coated with Fe/O/Au that to stop this cycle and the replication, would be to antagonize with zinc supplements in high doses over a period of time. Fascinating line of thought, Jeany!! You might want to review the April Morgellons Conference CDs in which Dr. Randy Wymore reports in on blast dna dequencing he did on all sorts of the pieces of debris that come out of peoples' lesions. He said that no kind of DNA showed up--on any of them. Very surprising. |
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Post by kammy on Sept 28, 2010 11:07:16 GMT -5
Fascinating line of thought, Jeany!! You might want to review the April Morgellons Conference CDs in which Dr. Randy Wymore reports in on blast dna dequencing he did on all sorts of the pieces of debris that come out of peoples' lesions. He said that no kind of DNA showed up--on any of them. Very surprising. Is that published on the Internet anywhere, Violet? We've been waiting on this report. No kind of DNA? Not even human DNA since they came out of the bodies of people? Does he state what he was testing for or against? Not to negate his work or what he's letting be known, because we really don't know, we just have to look at where we are in the history of our disease and how it appears to be under the supervision of our government at this time... and other scientists are not to publish much about it until their study is done, that's my impression, anyway. It would be like stepping on their toes, possibly not looked at highly in that arena? It looks like we're in the hands of molecular scientists, you know they deal with the baculovirus a lot in their work, if you google search - you can find this thread and the hundreds of posts we've made to make the various sciences at least want to pop in here to see what we're talking about?... and yet... no one shows up. I wish I had never put the two words together - baculovirus along with Morgellons... as the second appears taboo subject matter and this may have hurt our cause in the long run and may have caused a lot of scientists to avoid us because of the disease aspect? Since we have no way to test our theories and won't find any scientist that will touch them... they will remain just that. All we are doing is giving the inquiring science mind starting places to look in the event our disease ever gains any outside interest and for others that may want to delve further. We have given the science community good starting places to look based on what we're trying to communicate has possibly happened to us, if they ever start to wonder - 'what happened to these people?' I think Jeany's theory is sound and deserves looking into someday, nice work, Jeany. |
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Post by jeany on Sept 28, 2010 11:35:32 GMT -5
Pesticides are known to be AChE inhibitors. AChE is a very important enzyme for several body functions, including brain. If this enzyme is malfunctional it can come to diseases such as Alzheimer through the overproduction of amyloids. So, my thought here is: If bio-engineered insect/fly AChE is 'inserted' in to the baculovirus (which actually inhibits natural human AChE production), it would come to a 'takeover' of insect/fly AChE in the body instead. Therefore the fibers/amyloids our body produces are originated from insect dna rather than a 'natural' form of amyloidosis causing Alzheimer for example. This could possibly explain the fiber movements and the 'worm-like' appearances people are reporting and the unknown protein 'found' in M samples. The baculovirus proteins Falpe and P10 are known to produce fibers in infected cells in insects and are also able to 'invade' human cells. Here is some more info on it, if you are interested: morgellons2.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/insect-virus-proteins-falpe-and-p10-self-associate-to-form-filaments-in-infected-cells/morgellons2.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/formation-of-actin-filaments-in-mammalian-cells-baculovirus-protein-falpe-and-p10/morgellons2.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/amyloids-a-form-of-cytoplasmic-fibrils-in-humans/So, what do we have here so far? A baculovirus pesticidal system which inhibits natural AChE production and instead replaces it with insect/fly enzymes and bio-engineered proteins which lead to an overproduction of non-human fibrous material...AND..if we look at the biosensors implicated in to this system also...we would also have the 'nano-aspect' with all it's components and it's ability of self-replication and re-assembling over and over again. I believe, since these biosensor 'nano-beads' are coated with Fe/O/Au that to stop this cycle and the replication, would be to antagonize with zinc supplements in high doses over a period of time. Fascinating line of thought, Jeany!! You might want to review the April Morgellons Conference CDs in which Dr. Randy Wymore reports in on blast dna dequencing he did on all sorts of the pieces of debris that come out of peoples' lesions. He said that no kind of DNA showed up--on any of them. Very surprising. I haven't looked explicitly in to Wymore's studies..but it doesn't surprise me one bit if he was looking for human DNA in the samples...IMO he should look for artificial non human insect DNA. |
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Post by violet on Sept 28, 2010 12:50:45 GMT -5
Fascinating line of thought, Jeany!! You might want to review the April Morgellons Conference CDs in which Dr. Randy Wymore reports in on blast dna dequencing he did on all sorts of the pieces of debris that come out of peoples' lesions. He said that no kind of DNA showed up--on any of them. Very surprising. I haven't looked explicitly in to Wymore's studies..but it doesn't surprise me one bit if he was looking for human DNA in the samples...IMO he should look for artificial non human insect DNA. He said NO DNA was found--of any kind, human or other. |
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Post by violet on Sept 28, 2010 13:01:24 GMT -5
Fascinating line of thought, Jeany!! You might want to review the April Morgellons Conference CDs in which Dr. Randy Wymore reports in on blast dna dequencing he did on all sorts of the pieces of debris that come out of peoples' lesions. He said that no kind of DNA showed up--on any of them. Very surprising. Is that published on the Internet anywhere, Violet? We've been waiting on this report. No kind of DNA? Not even human DNA since they came out of the bodies of people? Does he state what he was testing for or against? Not to negate his work or what he's letting be known, because we really don't know, we just have to look at where we are in the history of our disease and how it appears to be under the supervision of our government at this time... and other scientists are not to publish much about it until their study is done, that's my impression, anyway. It would be like stepping on their toes, possibly not looked at highly in that arena? It looks like we're in the hands of molecular scientists, you know they deal with the baculovirus a lot in their work, if you google search - you can find this thread and the hundreds of posts we've made to make the various sciences at least want to pop in here to see what we're talking about?... and yet... no one shows up. I wish I had never put the two words together - baculovirus along with Morgellons... as the second appears taboo subject matter and this may have hurt our cause in the long run and may have caused a lot of scientists to avoid us because of the disease aspect? Since we have no way to test our theories and won't find any scientist that will touch them... they will remain just that. All we are doing is giving the inquiring science mind starting places to look in the event our disease ever gains any outside interest and for others that may want to delve further. We have given the science community good starting places to look based on what we're trying to communicate has possibly happened to us, if they ever start to wonder - 'what happened to these people?' I think Jeany's theory is sound and deserves looking into someday, nice work, Jeany. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I agree--I think it's fascinating reasoning. But think of all the reasonings and ideas that have been presented on all the boards through the years that all sound like they could be "it." I'm not criticizing you, Jeany, and I've always thought the world of you. You're one of the kindest people on any of the sites I've visited. I would just not throw out Wymore's research, as he is the only official researcher out there who publically lets us know he is researching and has a University's backing. That's major. And I agree with you that all theories should be considered (including Dr. Wymore's). And yours, Kammy, too. The CD's can be purchased through the NMO web site. Well, well worth the price, and all proceeds go to Wymore's research to fund a technician. You'll find the different ideas and findings of the speakers really interesting. |
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Post by toni on Sept 28, 2010 14:21:40 GMT -5
I haven't looked explicitly in to Wymore's studies..but it doesn't surprise me one bit if he was looking for human DNA in the samples...IMO he should look for artificial non human insect DNA. He said NO DNA was found--of any kind, human or other. Will anyone ask Dr. Wymore "since he's saying no DNA has been found" which is "what causes something to reproduce" itself with it's (blueprints) basically....so will someone just ask him if the fibers he's examining are simply synthetic fibers? Man made, not grown like cotton or wool from living things. Just simply synthetics? Thank you. |
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Post by violet on Sept 28, 2010 14:27:51 GMT -5
He said NO DNA was found--of any kind, human or other. Will anyone ask Dr. Wymore "since he's saying no DNA has been found" which is "what causes something to reproduce" itself with it's (blueprints) basically....so will someone just ask him if the fibers he's examining are simply synthetic fibers? Man made, not grown like cotton or wool from living things. Just simply synthetics? Thank you. As I best can recall, I think he said they were carbon. Best to review the CD's in case I'm thinking of someone else who said that. I'm pretty sure he said they were inorganic and were carbon, though. Boy, check this out though, because my mind is surely not working right these days. :-) If you check them out, please let me know one way or the other, okay? I also think I recall his saying they are not man-made. |
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Post by kmarie on Sept 28, 2010 15:16:22 GMT -5
As I best can recall, I think he said they were carbon. Best to review the CD's in case I'm thinking of someone else who said that. I'm pretty sure he said they were inorganic and were carbon, though. Boy, check this out though, because my mind is surely not working right these days. :-) If you check them out, please let me know one way or the other, okay? I also think I recall his saying they are not man-made. Violet, There are NO updates from Dr. Wymore's research page. www.thenmo.org/wymore.htmMost recent:------- July, 2009 Center for the Investigation of Morgellons Disease Research Update (in pdf) www.thenmo.org/OSU_CHS_July2009.pdfPeople who don't have or can't buy the DVD's are unable to "review" them as you suggest.If you have them, and they contain important information, perhaps a fellow morgie would be willing to let them circulate on a "LOAN" program to other morgies? Kind of Like a Library Loan and share them and then return to the owner. That would be a great way to share the parts of Dr. Wymore's research that he is willing to share. |
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Post by violet on Sept 28, 2010 15:22:30 GMT -5
As I best can recall, I think he said they were carbon. Best to review the CD's in case I'm thinking of someone else who said that. I'm pretty sure he said they were inorganic and were carbon, though. Boy, check this out though, because my mind is surely not working right these days. :-) If you check them out, please let me know one way or the other, okay? I also think I recall his saying they are not man-made. Violet, There are NO updates from Dr. Wymore's research page. www.thenmo.org/wymore.htmMost recent:------- July, 2009 Center for the Investigation of Morgellons Disease Research Update (in pdf) www.thenmo.org/OSU_CHS_July2009.pdfPeople who don't have or can't buy the DVD's are unable to "review" them as you suggest.If you have them, and they contain important information, perhaps a fellow morgie would be willing to let them circulate on a "LOAN" program to other morgies? Kind of Like a Library Loan and share them and then return to theowner. That would be a great way to share the parts of Dr. Wymore's research thathe is willing to share. Hi, KMar: I had thought of that, but I don't feel it would be fair to the people who worked so hard to put them together for everyone's benefit. |
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Post by jeany on Sept 28, 2010 17:10:37 GMT -5
Thank you Violet, and Toni, also Kmar for bringing further information according Wymore's studies up which of course are very much appreciated.
Somewhere while researching on this current subject I read that carbon also is an AChE inhibitor. Curious me I want to find out which 'function' and effects it possibly has in combination with the baculorvirus and the production of amyloids.
Also many thanks for your kind words, Violet.
Jeany
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