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Post by Sidney on Dec 16, 2009 14:33:58 GMT -5
Thanks, Ruth. This one works perfectly and the images are very good in my opinion.
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Post by Sidney on Dec 16, 2009 14:42:45 GMT -5
I've heard from Dr. Abbott's lab and have been asked to send them my dishes which I will do today, via Express Mail.
What a great group they are.
When I do a scraping I always add plucked facial hair from above my upper lip and from my chin.
I do this because to me the hairs are often so deformed and even last night when I plucked a black one from the area between my nose and upper lip, there was a small white fiber attached to the hair, encircling it almost completely.
I could NOT see the fiber without 30x magnification.
When my M.D. did the scrapings he did not pluck facial hair. I forgot to ask him to do that.
Since collecting specimens for the Petri dish I have stopped using Neosporin and Itraconazole.
I just wash my face and let it air dry or gently pat it dry with a paper towel.
At night I clean my face with Seabreeze and tape over the lumped up, callused area using pink tape.
I definitely don't want a false positive result.
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Post by ruth on Dec 16, 2009 20:37:37 GMT -5
as the culture matures i can see the sporangia flatten out and join together into solid masses, branches, bifurcations, etc. of the absidia, the 3d scaffolding effect.
the amber and clear material is there.
i see a lot of familiar forms happening with the dark green ulocladium. when it pops thru and rides with the absidia, it appears black. i see those familiar horns and the flattened twisted worm shape is the ulocladium.
as i watch the cultures mature, my ability to connect the chunks with the growth is awesome.
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Post by bannanny on Dec 17, 2009 17:46:03 GMT -5
Do you have any pics of the Alternaria in your dish ruth? Wasn't that one that your culture showed as well as in mine? I'm curious to see what it looks like in your dish if that's possible.
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Post by ruth on Dec 17, 2009 21:07:39 GMT -5
nan, the alternaria was by prolab. the ulocadium chartarum is close to alternaria. when i wrote to natuallink they said the absidia is so fast growing that it will choke out the slower growing molds. www.nature.com/bmt/journal/v26/n6/full/1702575a.htmlit looks like absidia corymbifera is what is proliferating on me.
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Post by bannanny on Dec 17, 2009 22:03:04 GMT -5
Well I'll be damned... I'm copying and pasting this into both stickied mold threads as well. I didn't find the same article I've been looking for, but I found a pdf file with tons of info on alot of what we're showing in our cultures, including Alternaria and Chaetomium. But it also says the same thing about Chaetomium in that very first article I came across about it 4 years ago... that the building can't even be remediated from it by burning it down. The heat wouldn't even be hot enough to kill it. So how do I get rid of it in me? God help us all. I put the link to the article at the end of this post... it includes pics and has tons of info. It's a very informative article tho... and scary too. It talks about Chaetomium, Cladosporium, Aspergillus, Alternata alternaria (which ruth and I both show) and Penicillum, Fusarium, and Stachybotrys. When you go to the link, scroll down towards the bottom where it starts to talk about each of the molds. Here's a few excerpts I had to type out, cuz I don't know how to copy and paste anything when it's in a pdf format... It talks about how Aspergillus can cause fatal lung infections... which we've seen happen here to our friends. Fusarium causes cutaneous lesions. Cladosporium even grows better in refrigerators (I know something's growing in mine) and window frames (remember my window frame story on the back door?) and causes skin lesions, Edema, etc. too ruth. Aspergillus produces the aflotoxins B1, B2, G1, and G2, which are carcinogenic, mutagenic, and tetragenic ... causes liver and kidney damage and infect and colonize in the respiratory system... Alternaria appears as a velvety turf with long soft hairs, color ranges from dark olive green to brown. Commonly found in soil, seeds and plants... it produces a unique group of mycotoxins, lethally toxic to young birds and associated with hypersensitivity and pneumonitis. Acute symptoms include Edema, Bronchiospasms and pulmonary Emphysema. Alternaria is also tetragenic (capable of altering DNA) and capable of damaging the human immune system. It also causes granulomatous lesions.Here's what it said about Chaetomium, which is the same thing it said in that very first article I read about it 4 years ago when it was identified in my home by mold inspectors. Wonder why they didn't know about this back then? BTW, my ex-boyfriend who spent alot of time here has Primary Progressive MS... Chaetomium species are notorious for their ability to digest the cellulose fibers in cotton and paper, thereby destroying these materials. In buildings which have recently experienced water damage, Chaetomium is frequently found on drywall, and paper products. It produces the mycotoxin Chaetoglobosin which is known to block cytoplasmic cell division. There has also been a noticeably high incidence of autoimmune diseases, including MS and Lupus, linked with exposure to this mycotoxin. Chaetoglobosin is also known to be tetragenic and causes permanent damage to DNA. There have been cases involving serious infestations of Chaetomium in which the only way to solve the problem was to bury the infected building. This was done because the infestations were not remediatable, and burning the buildings would not have been hot enough to kill the mycotoxin. In it's toxicity, Chaetomium is second only to Stachybotrys on potency, and is much more common.I might as well just bury myself. www.inspect.net/Documents/MOLDINFOPACKETPROOFD.pdflove you guys ~~ bannanny
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Post by ruth on Dec 19, 2009 13:45:30 GMT -5
as I watch the cultures get older, I can see it as chunks that come out of my lesions. I also see the black specs as the green mold.
from the response I got back from naturallink I do not think that green was in their dish.
I will e-mail them to make sure and ask if I can send the dish in for the green to be identified.
I am sure it is the black flakes as I can see it attach to the absidia and harden together.
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Post by bannanny on Dec 21, 2009 16:13:44 GMT -5
Well, the Alternaria showed more in my sample than the other 2 did... the Alternaria being 50% and the other 2 being 25%... whatever that means.
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Post by ruth on Dec 21, 2009 19:14:22 GMT -5
it is not what i expected............ we are all growing mold of various species i am once again baffled. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimorphic_fungiin the prolab one i have the alternaria and fusarium.
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Post by bannanny on Dec 22, 2009 16:27:12 GMT -5
I know, it seems we're all showing different species, altho some are the same. It still makes me think the morg pathogen is replicating whatever's in our environments. Dr. Thrasher suggested we all use 1 lab source tho, maybe he's right.
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Post by Sidney on Dec 22, 2009 23:49:53 GMT -5
I think staying with ONE LAB is very important. Sure there are others, maybe just as good, maybe not, but most important to me is the way we've been treated by the people we deal with at Natural Link.
I feel they are honest, caring, and most of all they are willing.
I so want to hear from them this week regarding the dishes I sent in. So many colors on the reverse of the dishes....but the red and green concern me even though the white fluffy, gray and black were all present.
If I don't hear from them by noon on Thursday I will know I'm not going to hear until after Christmas.
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Post by ruth on Dec 23, 2009 12:57:10 GMT -5
thinking about the virus info lilsissy has been posting.
along the way we have all ........ a variety of bacterias a variety of molds a variety of insects none of us have the same pathogens and they appear to me to be regional.
it looks like the common denominator could be virus??? then it would work just like HIV people and opportunistic pathogens??
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Post by kammy on Dec 25, 2009 1:57:30 GMT -5
My tests results came back as:
NO FUNGAL GROWTH
(I had a similar test done in the summer (by an ENT, ear lesion debris) - it also came back as 'negative for fungus'.)
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Post by bannanny on Dec 30, 2009 22:49:00 GMT -5
I'm thinking alot of it has to do with region too ruth... and like I said, maybe morgs is replicating whatever's in our environments.
Did you send yours in to Dr. Abbott kammy?
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Post by kammy on Jan 4, 2010 11:28:19 GMT -5
Yes, I believe so, Banny - the address was Reno, NV...
Jeany's came back as Candida albicans as the predominate fungus from her saliva... it didn't say what the 'others' were... maybe, she will come out and give us the full report soon?
I asked them to keep an eye on my dish a while longer, since I came back as 'negative for fungal growth', I haven't heard anything back from them stating otherwise.
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Post by kammy on Jan 7, 2010 17:04:48 GMT -5
Ok, I heard back from their lab, there was no fungal growth as of Jan 4th, 2010. Still negative.
I'm trying to make sense of your results, Ruth... this is from Sidney's post:
"FROM RUTH:
Re: My culture results from Dr. Abbott « Reply #7 Yesterday at 11:17 »
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mine was cladosporium (prolab) , is it related to chaetomium? ******************************************************* Re: growth of culture (ruth) « Reply #297 on 12/8/09 at 15:41 »
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prolab results are in pdf form.
results in colonies:
alternaria 1 cladosporium 11 fusarium 1 rhizopus/mucor 1
RUTH FROM NATURAL LINK MOLD LAB - DR. SEAN ABBOTT:
Re: growth of culture (ruth) « Reply #302 on 12/8/09 at 18:08 »
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natural link mold lab results
yeasts......50%
absidia corymbifera.......38%
ulocladium chartarum.......13%
I WAS REALLY HOPING EACH LAB GAVE THE SAME RESULTS BUT THIS IS THE STERILE ONE.
Re: growth of culture (ruth) « Reply #305 on 12/8/09 at 18:57 »"
Did you send in 3 different samples? Where were they from on your body in relation to the results? and the results are given in percentages and colonies... was this done by two different labs?
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Post by ruth on Jan 8, 2010 12:39:58 GMT -5
yes, two different labs. i had many chunks from one lesion each dish. i tried to not get the top (skin) portion to avoid environmental contaminants. as i can get hundreds of chunks out each lesion, i put in the center portion to make sure i got all of what each lesion produces. toni and i both get those deep white hard forms. as i watch my culture dish mature, i can see the clear hard material and the amber as the sporangia flattened and join together into chunks. the green is now more white and grows through the clear hardened material. i'll go download a pic of it, but i can clearly see the blacks specs and forms made by this green stuff. i have to take the pic thru the lid, and it is now a gray mat, so visibility with a bottom lite is hard s192.photobucket.com/albums/z157/ruthlyons_2007/?action=view¤t=0d760dc6.pbw&t=1262973733i asked Dr. Thrasher in an email if we should test for virus and/or agrobacteria: "I spoke with Dr. Abbott. He said that the number of individuals are too small to determine consistency in the results to date. In order to determine what molds and bacteria maybe associated with Morgellon's larger number of individuals are needed. He agrees with me that individuals with Morgellon's appear to be more sensitive with respect to adverse responses to various micro-organisms. We discussed the possibility of recessive genes in the HLA group, which are associated with a variety of chronic health problems. You should be tested for viruses and lyme's. "
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Post by bannanny on Jan 9, 2010 1:20:33 GMT -5
Wow... I sure see alot of spooky lookin faces in the stuff at your link above. I'm sure it's just where my head's at right now tho.
When did you talk to Dr. Abbott ruth? I haven't heard one word from him at all... no replies to my last 4 emails. I never even heard anything from him after my culture was analyzed... my results were sent from someone else in his office.
When we first started all this with him, he told me he wanted to hear about our observations. He said this thing seemed to be more and more right up his alley too. So I put together some lengthy stuff and then sent a separate email following it with pics. I sent another email too asking about my results, and then another one just the other day asking if everything was ok since I suddenly wasn't hearing anything from him anymore. But still, no replies whatsoever. We'd been emailing regularly too, so I dunno what's goin on.
I don't understand what he meant when he told you our numbers are too small to determine consistency either. They're gonna be consistent or not right? So why does the number of people matter? Also, he doesn't even test for bacteria in his lab, so how can he determine any of that in the first place? I'm gettin very confused now.
So he's come to the conclusion that we're all more sensitive to micro-organisms and we should be tested for viruses and Lyme (which most of us already have been for Lyme.) But as far as getting tested for viruses goes, I'm confused again. When a doc runs tests doesn't he have to be specific as to what they're being run for? There's millions of different viruses, so how will our docs know which viruses to even test us for? Did he say, or is there some kind of test that simply tests for viruses in general?
I'm just wondering... did he sound to you like he's done all he can do and he doesn't want to go any further with the whole morg thing? I'm just a little baffled cuz he was so interested and then suddenly stopped corresponding with me about it altogether. It's weird to me.
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Post by ruth on Jan 9, 2010 11:25:05 GMT -5
nan, sorry, i didn't make anything clear in that post. i wrote to dr. thrasher to ask him if we should be testing for virus and/or agrobacteria since we are all culturing out varieties of mold. he called dr. abbott and dr. thrasher emailed me back "I spoke with Dr. Abbott. He said that the number of individuals are too small to determine consistency in the results to date. In order to determine what molds and bacteria maybe associated with Morgellon's larger number of individuals are needed. He agrees with me that individuals with Morgellon's appear to be more sensitive with respect to adverse responses to various micro-organisms. We discussed the possibility of recessive genes in the HLA group, which are associated with a variety of chronic health problems. You should be tested for viruses and lyme's."i've only spoken to dr. abbott on the phone briefly when i was getting ready to send my culture in. this is the first time i've emailed dr. thrasher, but i (we) need guidance. i am reluctant to do any blood work unless it is absolutely necessary. my blood is like most of yours..............jello. when they milk down my vein, it is hard to take. we have something in common. what is it? ?
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Post by Sidney on Jan 9, 2010 19:13:19 GMT -5
Bannanny, my understanding is Dr. Abbott's lab does culture for bacteria. That would be a different medium than the Malt Extract Agar they use to culture for Mold/Fungus.
At this point how many of us have sent culture plates? I know only Bannanny who sent a Pro-Lab dish, Ruth, Toni-Sue, Kammy, Jeany and I have sent and received results using the Natural Link Mold Lab culture plates. Frito has sent hers of course but has not received results to date.
So, one result using Pro-Lab culture plate, five results from Natural Link. Not nearly enough to confirm nor deny anything.
Regarding the viruses isn't the CMV an important one along with Human Parvo Virus and Epstein Barr?
How about the natural killer cell test? Just throwing out some thoughts.
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