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Post by Baraka Obam on Jan 25, 2012 12:42:40 GMT -5
Fungal spores, commonly called mold spores, are a normal component of the outdoor air. They are present in the atmosphere anytime that the ground is not covered with ice or snow. The spores are discharged from fungi growing as saprophytes (existing on dead or decaying organic matter is the soil or elsewhere in the environment) or parasites (infecting living tissues - most are plant pathogens). Many species of fungi are found as leaf surface microorganisms where they exist on organic matter produced by the plant. Concentrations outdoors can be high, especially in the late summer or fall. We have occasionally recorded hourly concentrations in Tulsa above 100,000 spores per cubic meter of air.
(there's just no getting away from it) we walk outside, we open our windows, or our door to go in and out, it's just everywhere. pollen.utulsa.edu/Spores/Indoor.htmYOU ARE RIGHT TONY, thats why manic cleaning is a waste of time , from the huge amount of scoping I have done many times you can see the fibers have grown from the mess, you can leave the slide uncovered for days and NO NEW fibers or mess will be on that slide. A suggestion do not run your vacume cleaner while doing this test, give the slide a day sitting out, look at it, then take a piece of paper and draw the issues you see on that slide, I will bet you that you see no change, that is unless you have a thick piece of material on the slide, in that case you will possibly see fibers growing OUT of it. I will say, the best results would to have a clean room, which we can not afford, to have a cover slip over the mess, and a slide holder. I am looking at slides every day, the issues that present themselves are common and ongoing, some are rare and very hard to find but still there, some are always there and very easy to find. There are none that present themselves like this vine like thing with the tubes and spirals in it, except for the fast growing tubes in the yellow fluid. In fact when I was looking at the spirals under the microscope ONE time, that is all, one time I saw the spiral grow just as quick as the black tubes in the yellow fluid giving me reason to ponder, the two may be part of the same issue!! Still there may have been another reason for this to happen, I will not GUESS at.
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Post by toni on Jan 25, 2012 13:27:09 GMT -5
Hi Baraka,
I don't understand it either, none of it, not really at all.
I only can say or talk about "what I do see".
I've covered my scope with a giant clear baggie, and no fibers "form or land on my specimens" - but when I leave my scope slide 'open to the world' - then I do.
That's the part I do know...because that's easy to "test out" and see.
The thing about "our particles", IF someone other than me would do this, then it can be seen also.
Take a "particle", (that looks like a fiber is growing out of it) and then:
While under the scope, put a drop of water on it, and leave the water on it. If it begins to evaporate, put more water on it. Then...you'll see what I see.
The fibers will float away "from the particle".
(From what I've seen)....the fibers "looked at first like they were growing out of my specimens too" - but they weren't.
The water helped them "unstick" because they were airborne fibers that had landed on them.
See, it's easy to tell this by applying water.
So...what can I say? If no one applies water to their particles, then it sure does look like fibers were growing out of them.
But because I want to know for sure, I've done this over and over, and the fibers will remove after the particles have been saturated enough. (none of mine) were growing from my particles (I found out very easily) by doing this.
I hope you understand that I'm not trying to be obstinant, I'm only trying to get someone else to see, that a dried out particle or a gooey one, will have "minute fibers" stuck to it because they're in the air...and they're soooo fine and thin that ONLY under the scope do we see them or heck, even bother to look for that matter, because many of them can't be seen without a scope, and we can't look at our house air with a scope - so we're not seeing half of what's floating around inside and outside.
So ....under the scope we continue to place our particles, and always are the fibers present. Imho, it's because the stuff that our pores all over our body is secreting is sticky like, the fibers stick to it. But again, that's just my observations because I remember a phase I went through too where I had super sticky stuff coming out of my skin, and that's when I knew "or thought" rather, this must be why every fiber within 5 miles is sticking to this stuff....and me.
Just my thoughts "expressed" is all I'm trying to relay.
Just try wetting down the particle, and then it's obivous they were only "stuck on it".
Now, (if there's fungi growing)....or even bacteria, then that's something "entirely" different, because fungi and bacteria do "communicate" as in quorum sensing...and that is fact from most reputable science.
So, depending on "what exact fibers" we're talking about, I'd say that when we even drink a glass of water, fibers that are ionically charged (just normal stuff) are attracted to water. So we drink the water, that might have fibers in it, and then we "tinkle" it out. And become concerned, when they were actually drunk in to begin with.
We don't see those minute microscopic fibers in our soda or our glass of water, because we're not putting it under the scope each time we drink it. That to me is just logical.
And I hope I don't get misconstrued by saying all that, because I DO KNOW there is something VERY abnormal going on with us all. We aren't infected by imagination.
I'm only (expressing) options to be thorough, because without exhausting EVERY single viable option, and that's easy to do, then we only see basically with blinders on.
Look at all probabilities or possibilities, that's all I'm trying to say.
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Post by toni on Jan 25, 2012 13:35:10 GMT -5
Baraka, I have to disagree (sorry) in that I do believe keeping the environment extremely clean is important. The reason being is, because we are ill with infection of some kind. And when there's infection of any kind, we shed. Our skin cells shed, and are everywhere. Dust harbors "the junk that we shed". So, in order to alleviate picking up what we just rid or shed, things need to be cleaned often. I know that's just my opinion again, as you stated yours. I also make sure where we watch TV the two sofas in the family room "always" - every day have fresh bleached sheets drapped over them. That way even....the dead skin cells that are "normally shed" and that are "possibly" infected with "whatever the secretions are from the skin" don't recontaminate me, and I don't want to breathe them in either. And it's easy to do that, hahaha like putting on clean underwear daily, one I suppose doesn't "have to" but...it sure feels lots cleaner to not put on yesterdays dead skin cells if for no other reason to than wear clean ones. One last little "cleaning tip" . Suck up some DE (1/2 cup worth) in your vacuum. Leave it in the bag at all times. That way, after vacuuming, whatever "critters" might have been vacuumed up, will die, since they're now in the vacuum bag with diatomaceous earth in it, which will kill them. That for me, works better than spraying any thing all over the house. Because unless what we spray kills fungi, bacteria and critters, the spray will dry out, and the "stuff we've sprayed" will come right back to life. But, catch it in a DE'd vacuum bag, it's not going anywhere but gonzo.
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Post by homeworld on Jan 25, 2012 13:35:19 GMT -5
....and while staring in dismay at the rain of particles from the air...don't forget the other major source of all things morg..the tap water.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzGwjmn1t3g...a very short YT I just slapped together in a few minutes of "video documentation" of what the boiler water looked like. ^^ this is disgusting enough watching the soup in the beaker.. under the microscope it's really ....enraging. all of the perps found in and on the body are IN the tap water. ... .....I will probably paste up a quick slide show of the microscope stills I snapped the same day I made the "omg, morg soup!" video. ..
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Post by toni on Jan 25, 2012 13:53:32 GMT -5
I just watched your video, and I'll just say without hesitation okay?
Years ago when I sold "whole house water treatment systems" of all kinds, I tested "people's water".
I saw gagets of all kinds to filter their water, and filters that they paid lots of money for too.
I always use to say how the water reminded me of having ground up toilet paper in it, because that's really what it looks like.
Unless one has something that removes "all the garbage" that's in water, that "stuff" is going to be in it.
I can turn on my RO water (Kinetico system) and my water is perfectly clear, even under the scope. I sound like I'm trying to push Kinetico, but...what can I say? It works.
So, depending on "how the water was obtained" if it's not clear and clean to start with, even boiling can't remove minerals and particles. Boiling will help kill organisms, but it can't filter the water.
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Post by itchin4answers on Jan 25, 2012 13:53:34 GMT -5
....and while staring in dismay at the rain of particles from the air...don't forget the other major source of all things morg..the tap water.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzGwjmn1t3g...a very short YT I just slapped together in a few minutes of "video documentation" of what the boiler water looked like. ^^ this is disgusting enough watching the soup in the beaker.. under the microscope it's really ....enraging. all of the perps found in and on the body are IN the tap water. ... .....I will probably paste up a quick slide show of the microscope stills I snapped the same day I made the "omg, morg soup!" video. .. Thank you homeworld, not a pleasant sign in the water. I've always drunk plenty of water, being brought up to believe that water was healthy. Well, I think it is, but then again maybe that's part of me problem.
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Post by itchin4answers on Jan 25, 2012 13:58:31 GMT -5
Hi Baraka, I don't understand it either, none of it, not really at all. I only can say or talk about "what I do see". I've covered my scope with a giant clear baggie, and no fibers "form or land on my specimens" - but when I leave my scope slide 'open to the world' - then I do. That's the part I do know...because that's easy to "test out" and see. The thing about "our particles", IF someone other than me would do this, then it can be seen also. Take a "particle", (that looks like a fiber is growing out of it) and then: While under the scope, put a drop of water on it, and leave the water on it. If it begins to evaporate, put more water on it. Then...you'll see what I see. The fibers will float away "from the particle". (From what I've seen)....the fibers "looked at first like they were growing out of my specimens too" - but they weren't. The water helped them "unstick" because they were airborne fibers that had landed on them. See, it's easy to tell this by applying water. So...what can I say? If no one applies water to their particles, then it sure does look like fibers were growing out of them. But because I want to know for sure, I've done this over and over, and the fibers will remove after the particles have been saturated enough. (none of mine) were growing from my particles (I found out very easily) by doing this. I hope you understand that I'm not trying to be obstinant, I'm only trying to get someone else to see, that a dried out particle or a gooey one, will have "minute fibers" stuck to it because they're in the air...and they're soooo fine and thin that ONLY under the scope do we see them or heck, even bother to look for that matter, because many of them can't be seen without a scope, and we can't look at our house air with a scope - so we're not seeing half of what's floating around inside and outside. So ....under the scope we continue to place our particles, and always are the fibers present. Imho, it's because the stuff that our pores all over our body is secreting is sticky like, the fibers stick to it. But again, that's just my observations because I remember a phase I went through too where I had super sticky stuff coming out of my skin, and that's when I knew "or thought" rather, this must be why every fiber within 5 miles is sticking to this stuff....and me. Just my thoughts "expressed" is all I'm trying to relay. Just try wetting down the particle, and then it's obivous they were only "stuck on it". Now, (if there's fungi growing)....or even bacteria, then that's something "entirely" different, because fungi and bacteria do "communicate" as in quorum sensing...and that is fact from most reputable science. So, depending on "what exact fibers" we're talking about, I'd say that when we even drink a glass of water, fibers that are ionically charged (just normal stuff) are attracted to water. So we drink the water, that might have fibers in it, and then we "tinkle" it out. And become concerned, when they were actually drunk in to begin with. We don't see those minute microscopic fibers in our soda or our glass of water, because we're not putting it under the scope each time we drink it. That to me is just logical. And I hope I don't get misconstrued by saying all that, because I DO KNOW there is something VERY abnormal going on with us all. We aren't infected by imagination. I'm only (expressing) options to be thorough, because without exhausting EVERY single viable option, and that's easy to do, then we only see basically with blinders on. Look at all probabilities or possibilities, that's all I'm trying to say. Hi toni, I liked your post, and seeing those fibers, well they are everywhere and looking at the possibilities, it's really not good what's happening. Many have blinders on and that probably included me at one time or other, however, I have 20/20 vision and alone, it is enough to make one crap ones knickers. itchin
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Post by toni on Jan 25, 2012 13:59:06 GMT -5
Hi Itchin,
Can I ask, do you drink bottled water, RO'd water, or tap water?
Tap water is loaded with everything from minerals to toxic waste, and reports come out for each city, and they're all bad.
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Post by itchin4answers on Jan 25, 2012 14:06:48 GMT -5
Hi Itchin, Can I ask, do you drink bottled water, RO'd water, or tap water? Tap water is loaded with everything from minerals to toxic waste, and reports come out for each city, and they're all bad. Hi toni, I drink tap water and lots of it. Part of my problem, though some time drank filtered water and noticed once I'd stopped drinking the filtered water, since I'd moved location, my health deteriorated and that was ion's ago. itchin
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jan 25, 2012 14:12:08 GMT -5
Baraka, I have to disagree (sorry) in that I do believe keeping the environment extremely clean is important. The reason being is, because we are ill with infection of some kind. And when there's infection of any kind, we shed. Our skin cells shed, and are everywhere. Dust harbors "the junk that we shed". So, in order to alleviate picking up what we just rid or shed, things need to be cleaned often. I know that's just my opinion again, as you stated yours. I also make sure where we watch TV the two sofas in the family room "always" - every day have fresh bleached sheets drapped over them. That way even....the dead skin cells that are "normally shed" and that are "possibly" infected with "whatever the secretions are from the skin" don't recontaminate me, and I don't want to breathe them in either. And it's easy to do that, hahaha like putting on clean underwear daily, one I suppose doesn't "have to" but...it sure feels lots cleaner to not put on yesterdays dead skin cells if for no other reason to than wear clean ones. One last little "cleaning tip" . Suck up some DE (1/2 cup worth) in your vacuum. Leave it in the bag at all times. That way, after vacuuming, whatever "critters" might have been vacuumed up, will die, since they're now in the vacuum bag with diatomaceous earth in it, which will kill them. That for me, works better than spraying any thing all over the house. Because unless what we spray kills fungi, bacteria and critters, the spray will dry out, and the "stuff we've sprayed" will come right back to life. But, catch it in a DE'd vacuum bag, it's not going anywhere Just what exactly do you disagree with, LOL, I want to know I agreed with you so if you disagree with me your disagreeing with yourself, (sorry) LOL. Anyway, The classic morgellons fiber does not just fly in there and start to grow out of the flessy bits, I imagine you would also tell me that the fibers that are coming out of peoples skin is carpet because actually that is exactly what your saying here. I will not believe that what I have seen is anything like you discribe, BUT I can make a clean box to but my slides in. I have worked in a industry that had a clean room, do you know what that is, it is a perfectly sealed up room that has a double door, when you go inside the first door the outside air is wisked away into a filter before the next door is opened, and then while inside the next room a test is taken on parts per million for anything and everything. there are two way micron filters going in and out. The simple facts that fibers grow out of our material quickly has been established by many people, it is prolific, one does not need a clean room to see this, but better results would be had for disbelievers of the fact that fibers grow out of our material in a clean room, after using this microscope for seven years now I am not a disbeliever.
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Post by homeworld on Jan 25, 2012 14:12:09 GMT -5
I just watched your video, and I'll just say without hesitation okay? Years ago when I sold "whole house water treatment systems" of all kinds, I tested "people's water". I saw gagets of all kinds to filter their water, and filters that they paid lots of money for too. I always use to say how the water reminded me of having ground up toilet paper in it, because that's really what it looks like. Unless one has something that removes "all the garbage" that's in water, that "stuff" is going to be in it. I can turn on my RO water (Kinetico system) and my water is perfectly clear, even under the scope. I sound like I'm trying to push Kinetico, but...what can I say? It works. So, depending on "how the water was obtained" if it's not clear and clean to start with, even boiling can't remove minerals and particles. Boiling will help kill organisms, but it can't filter the water. BOILING wont filter water..but DISTILLATION can...and that involves boiling the water into steam and then condensing the steam into water. Ultrapure water for lab/analytical use is usually double distilled water.. redistill the already distilled water to drive the contaminant level as close to zero as possible. The annoying part of my experiments with using a HOME DISTILLER is not the amount of crap in the boiler..[that is where I want the crap to end up] but the fact that too much crap ends up in the CLEAN water tank. ...I suspect that the table top distiller is handicapped by it's small size..the condensing coil must be short to enable a TABLE TOP size.. but it may be too short..and the steam simply carries to much crap thru the coil and drops it in the clean water tank. Commercial grade distilled water is not particle free, but it is much closer than what I can manage at home with these dinky distillers. And running a 600 Watt heater for 5-6 hours/per gallon at NJ electric rates ..is not a bargain...I'm basically spending as much for the electricity to run the distiller as I would spend to purchase commercially distilled water...AND I'm ending up with "dirty" [morg infested] water as a "value added bonus". ...fail..fail..fail.. Well..I guess I have a distiller as a back up for when the tabletop RO filter croaks...*shrug*
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Post by toni on Jan 25, 2012 14:14:13 GMT -5
Hi Ichin,
Yes, I thought the same thing too at one time (in the beginning) that our "oozy or gooey gunk that secretes through our skin" was growing fibers.
In (my case) I found they weren't. I found the fibers had only adhered to my specimens.
I can't speak for anyone else, but...I can suggest. And that's why I just suggest anyone with a scope saturate their specimens, and then if necessary float them in water, and then see what happens with the fibers that seemed to be growing from them, they'll lift right off if the specimen is saturated enough.
I'd had "spikey ball specimens" that I didn't realize that when I rubbed my face, what I was doing too was entrapping fibers that simply sat on my face, within the goo that I was rubbing off.
And then I put that under the scope. And it "appeared to be fibers inside the specimen" but all it was "after soaking the specimen" was fibers I'd rolled up in it.
We attract fibers from our environment, because we're statically charged. And with a "secretion" coming out of our skin, we're like magnets too.
Like a balloon will stick to our head if we rub it, and that balloon has a lot more weight than one tiny fiber. So fibers being all over - stick to us when we don't even realize it.
Just (my thoughts). I keep saying that, because I know the "fibers" issue is a sensitive issue, and well, the only fibers I keep seeing, are just environment.
I've also put bleach on them, and they'll dissolve while they sit on my slide too.
Just like if one were to put too much bleach on any fabric, it will eat a hole in it.
If there's another type of fiber that cannot be dissolved in bleach, I've not yet seen it. So again, I can only talk about the fibers "I've messed with on the slide" from my own experiences.
I just have a hard time ruling out "what is". And I know "in life" there's soooo many types of textiles we could fill a room with the different treatments they implement (fabrics with).
They "fire retard fabrics" they spill proof carpets with a fine silicone coating of chemicals, there's just an unimaginable scope of "pre-treated with chemicals fibers" in existence already.
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Post by toni on Jan 25, 2012 14:25:37 GMT -5
Homeworld,
That's exactly right. Boiling can't remove solids. And I know you're trying to double distill, and how frustrating that can be if the "solids" are still ending up in the final result, it's probably because they're still there to start.
I understand you've spent soooo much, gosh, maybe you might want to look into an RO. I sound like I'm being silly by saying that, but....I'm not trying to be. I'm only saying a "brand name" because Kinetico removes it all. I'm sure there's other brands that are equally as good, but to have crystal clean drinking water, some bottled waters are very good too, and even better are the RO's that go under the kitchen sink and have a separate top sink dispenser.
Have you tried any experiments by first examining bottled water, then putting in a fiber to see what happens?
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Post by itchin4answers on Jan 25, 2012 14:26:46 GMT -5
Baraka, I have to disagree (sorry) in that I do believe keeping the environment extremely clean is important. The reason being is, because we are ill with infection of some kind. And when there's infection of any kind, we shed. Our skin cells shed, and are everywhere. Dust harbors "the junk that we shed". So, in order to alleviate picking up what we just rid or shed, things need to be cleaned often. I know that's just my opinion again, as you stated yours. I also make sure where we watch TV the two sofas in the family room "always" - every day have fresh bleached sheets drapped over them. That way even....the dead skin cells that are "normally shed" and that are "possibly" infected with "whatever the secretions are from the skin" don't recontaminate me, and I don't want to breathe them in either. And it's easy to do that, hahaha like putting on clean underwear daily, one I suppose doesn't "have to" but...it sure feels lots cleaner to not put on yesterdays dead skin cells if for no other reason to than wear clean ones. One last little "cleaning tip" . Suck up some DE (1/2 cup worth) in your vacuum. Leave it in the bag at all times. That way, after vacuuming, whatever "critters" might have been vacuumed up, will die, since they're now in the vacuum bag with diatomaceous earth in it, which will kill them. That for me, works better than spraying any thing all over the house. Because unless what we spray kills fungi, bacteria and critters, the spray will dry out, and the "stuff we've sprayed" will come right back to life. But, catch it in a DE'd vacuum bag, it's not going anywhere Just what exactly do you disagree with, LOL, I want to know I agreed with you so if you disagree with me your disagreeing with yourself, (sorry) LOL. Anyway, The classic morgellons fiber does not just fly in there and start to grow out of the flessy bits, I imagine you would also tell me that the fibers that are coming out of peoples skin is carpet because actually that is exactly what your saying here. I will not believe that what I have seen is anything like you discribe, BUT I can make a clean box to but my slides in. I have worked in a industry that had a clean room, do you know what that is, it is a perfectly sealed up room that has a double door, when you go inside the first door the outside air is wisked away into a filter before the next door is opened, and then while inside the next room a test is taken on parts per million for anything and everything. there are two way micron filters going in and out. The simple facts that fibers grow out of our material quickly has been established by many people, it is prolific, one does not need a clean room to see this, but better results would be had for disbelievers of the fact that fibers grow out of our material in a clean room, after using this microscope for seven years now I am not a disbeliever. Baraka, I haven't looked under the scope for years, I don't need too, I seem them all around me. itchin
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Post by toni on Jan 25, 2012 14:33:54 GMT -5
Baraka, I have to disagree (sorry) in that I do believe keeping the environment extremely clean is important. The reason being is, because we are ill with infection of some kind. And when there's infection of any kind, we shed. Our skin cells shed, and are everywhere. Dust harbors "the junk that we shed". So, in order to alleviate picking up what we just rid or shed, things need to be cleaned often. I know that's just my opinion again, as you stated yours. I also make sure where we watch TV the two sofas in the family room "always" - every day have fresh bleached sheets drapped over them. That way even....the dead skin cells that are "normally shed" and that are "possibly" infected with "whatever the secretions are from the skin" don't recontaminate me, and I don't want to breathe them in either. And it's easy to do that, hahaha like putting on clean underwear daily, one I suppose doesn't "have to" but...it sure feels lots cleaner to not put on yesterdays dead skin cells if for no other reason to than wear clean ones. One last little "cleaning tip" . Suck up some DE (1/2 cup worth) in your vacuum. Leave it in the bag at all times. That way, after vacuuming, whatever "critters" might have been vacuumed up, will die, since they're now in the vacuum bag with diatomaceous earth in it, which will kill them. That for me, works better than spraying any thing all over the house. Because unless what we spray kills fungi, bacteria and critters, the spray will dry out, and the "stuff we've sprayed" will come right back to life. But, catch it in a DE'd vacuum bag, it's not going anywhere Just what exactly do you disagree with, LOL, I want to know I agreed with you so if you disagree with me your disagreeing with yourself, (sorry) LOL. Anyway, The classic morgellons fiber does not just fly in there and start to grow out of the flessy bits, I imagine you would also tell me that the fibers that are coming out of peoples skin is carpet because actually that is exactly what your saying here. I will not believe that what I have seen is anything like you discribe, BUT I can make a clean box to but my slides in. I have worked in a industry that had a clean room, do you know what that is, it is a perfectly sealed up room that has a double door, when you go inside the first door the outside air is wisked away into a filter before the next door is opened, and then while inside the next room a test is taken on parts per million for anything and everything. there are two way micron filters going in and out. The simple facts that fibers grow out of our material quickly has been established by many people, it is prolific, one does not need a clean room to see this, but better results would be had for disbelievers of the fact that fibers grow out of our material in a clean room, after using this microscope for seven years now I am not a disbeliever. Baraka, one of us is out of sync or something with our communication here. You said on the previous page *quote* : YOU ARE RIGHT TONY, thats why manic cleaning is a waste of timeThis is what I said I'm sorry I disagree about. That sentence only. I don't think it's a waste of time at all. I don't think one needs to clean like a maniac, but, vacuuming all over to suck up "our shedding debris" imho, is key to keeping our breathing/lungs free of "possible contaminated skin cells that shed" - as many lung infections are from "what we breathe in" - and keeping where we sleep and sit, imho is important too. If one just vacuums daily, then the "loose stuff that comes off of us" is removed from our surroundings.
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Post by itchin4answers on Jan 25, 2012 14:34:44 GMT -5
Hi Ichin, Yes, I thought the same thing too at one time (in the beginning) that our "oozy or gooey gunk that secretes through our skin" was growing fibers. In (my case) I found they weren't. I found the fibers had only adhered to my specimens. I can't speak for anyone else, but...I can suggest. And that's why I just suggest anyone with a scope saturate their specimens, and then if necessary float them in water, and then see what happens with the fibers that seemed to be growing from them, they'll lift right off if the specimen is saturated enough. I'd had "spikey ball specimens" that I didn't realize that when I rubbed my face, what I was doing too was entrapping fibers that simply sat on my face, within the goo that I was rubbing off. And then I put that under the scope. And it "appeared to be fibers inside the specimen" but all it was "after soaking the specimen" was fibers I'd rolled up in it. We attract fibers from our environment, because we're statically charged. And with a "secretion" coming out of our skin, we're like magnets too. Like a balloon will stick to our head if we rub it, and that balloon has a lot more weight than one tiny fiber. So fibers being all over - stick to us when we don't even realize it. Just (my thoughts). I keep saying that, because I know the "fibers" issue is a sensitive issue, and well, the only fibers I keep seeing, are just environment. I've also put bleach on them, and they'll dissolve while they sit on my slide too. Just like if one were to put too much bleach on any fabric, it will eat a hole in it. If there's another type of fiber that cannot be dissolved in bleach, I've not yet seen it. So again, I can only talk about the fibers "I've messed with on the slide" from my own experiences. I just have a hard time ruling out "what is". And I know "in life" there's soooo many types of textiles we could fill a room with the different treatments they implement (fabrics with). They "fire retard fabrics" they spill proof carpets with a fine silicone coating of chemicals, there's just an unimaginable scope of "pre-treated with chemicals fibers" in existence already. toni, My fibers have been rather large, hoping most of them are out - I've been treating topically & internally, though I doubt it, as they've been growing in me for ion's. itchin
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Post by itchin4answers on Jan 25, 2012 14:38:04 GMT -5
Just what exactly do you disagree with, LOL, I want to know I agreed with you so if you disagree with me your disagreeing with yourself, (sorry) LOL. Anyway, The classic morgellons fiber does not just fly in there and start to grow out of the flessy bits, I imagine you would also tell me that the fibers that are coming out of peoples skin is carpet because actually that is exactly what your saying here. I will not believe that what I have seen is anything like you discribe, BUT I can make a clean box to but my slides in. I have worked in a industry that had a clean room, do you know what that is, it is a perfectly sealed up room that has a double door, when you go inside the first door the outside air is wisked away into a filter before the next door is opened, and then while inside the next room a test is taken on parts per million for anything and everything. there are two way micron filters going in and out. The simple facts that fibers grow out of our material quickly has been established by many people, it is prolific, one does not need a clean room to see this, but better results would be had for disbelievers of the fact that fibers grow out of our material in a clean room, after using this microscope for seven years now I am not a disbeliever. Baraka, one of us is out of sync or something with our communication here. You said on the previous page *quote* : YOU ARE RIGHT TONY, thats why manic cleaning is a waste of timeThis is what I said I'm sorry I disagree about. That sentence only. I don't think it's a waste of time at all. I don't think one needs to clean like a maniac, but, vacuuming all over to suck up "our shedding debris" imho, is key to keeping our breathing/lungs free of "possible contaminated skin cells that shed" - as many lung infections are from "what we breathe in" - and keeping where we sleep and sit, imho is important too. If one just vacuums daily, then the "loose stuff that comes off of us" is removed from our surroundings. I agree toni, and my vac had gone on the blink the other day, though Tony started it up for me yesterday and I still haven't gotten around to doing it. I may need to grow another pair of arms....4 arms...LOL
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Post by toni on Jan 25, 2012 14:41:59 GMT -5
Baraka, When you entered those rooms with the double doors, were you naked?
Unless someone looks at a lint screen from their dryer, does one realize how many fibers come off our clothing.
Or...just take a piece of tape (better yet, a sticky trap) that hangs, and hang it anywhere.
Then - hang one in a baggie or jar too, no fibers will adhere. Why, because there's no air movement inside a baggie or jar moving them about.
Until you do this, and know that as long as there is air moving about, and fibers in our air, then will it help make sense.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jan 25, 2012 14:44:12 GMT -5
Hi Ichin, Yes, I thought the same thing too at one time (in the beginning) that our "oozy or gooey gunk that secretes through our skin" was growing fibers. In (my case) I found they weren't. I found the fibers had only adhered to my specimens. I can't speak for anyone else, but...I can suggest. And that's why I just suggest anyone with a scope saturate their specimens, and then if necessary float them in water, and then see what happens with the fibers that seemed to be growing from them, they'll lift right off if the specimen is saturated enough. I'd had "spikey ball specimens" that I didn't realize that when I rubbed my face, what I was doing too was entrapping fibers that simply sat on my face, within the goo that I was rubbing off. And then I put that under the scope. And it "appeared to be fibers inside the specimen" but all it was "after soaking the specimen" was fibers I'd rolled up in it. We attract fibers from our environment, because we're statically charged. And with a "secretion" coming out of our skin, we're like magnets too. Like a balloon will stick to our head if we rub it, and that balloon has a lot more weight than one tiny fiber. So fibers being all over - stick to us when we don't even realize it. Just (my thoughts). I keep saying that, because I know the "fibers" issue is a sensitive issue, and well, the only fibers I keep seeing, are just environment. I've also put bleach on them, and they'll dissolve while they sit on my slide too. Just like if one were to put too much bleach on any fabric, it will eat a hole in it. If there's another type of fiber that cannot be dissolved in bleach, I've not yet seen it. So again, I can only talk about the fibers "I've messed with on the slide" from my own experiences. I just have a hard time ruling out "what is". And I know "in life" there's soooo many types of textiles we could fill a room with the different treatments they implement (fabrics with). They "fire retard fabrics" they spill proof carpets with a fine silicone coating of chemicals, there's just an unimaginable scope of "pre-treated with chemicals fibers" in existence already. Here my dear is a picture of the stuff that grows in the yellow fluid for the most part isolated from red blood in one video, in the other you do not see it grow as I was not quick enough, but you can see every time it hits a red blood cell it sucks the red out and turns the cell black. can not imagine fibrous growth, hmmm what are these. This video took SECONDS to form these tubes this video is at 250 X magnification, look closely, every time the tube touches a red blood cell they are turned black www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSPqdR_ljk8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=ULThis next one is REAL time formation meaning this is not time relapsed, it too the amount of time to form that you watch it in, OMG look how quick these things get bigger thicker my goodness I even have pictures of them turning BLUE and forming a grid. www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPodyogcOzg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=ULHere is another item, you are seeing a tiny little piece of this in a AIR BUBBLE awake and form, blast out of there like it needs a meal, a blood meal, I wonder if when these tubes shoot out under the flesh if they could cause itching, hmmm www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKlxzhKXSXA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL I am just going to add in this last one because maybe Tony could be right, I was eating my carpet one day and this must be the result of that meal in my poo, I was hungry and figured if my dog enjoyed eating carpet maybe it was ok, notice the nice twist to the fibers, after chewing on the carpet for a time I found a piece that fit on my head nicely so now I wear it as a topee I don't think anyone can tell, I think it looks nice. You know what, wow, I watched my own video and lo and behold in the picture is one of the vines that hold the large mass of tubes with the coils inside, see the brown wide thing in the background of the fibers, holy moly, I have to watch the video over now. to see if some environmental debris landed on the vine like thing or the stuff that came out of me was kinda like protected from the environment . hmmmm www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xeBsfQOzjg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
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Post by itchin4answers on Jan 25, 2012 14:58:24 GMT -5
Hi Ichin, Yes, I thought the same thing too at one time (in the beginning) that our "oozy or gooey gunk that secretes through our skin" was growing fibers. In (my case) I found they weren't. I found the fibers had only adhered to my specimens. I can't speak for anyone else, but...I can suggest. And that's why I just suggest anyone with a scope saturate their specimens, and then if necessary float them in water, and then see what happens with the fibers that seemed to be growing from them, they'll lift right off if the specimen is saturated enough. I'd had "spikey ball specimens" that I didn't realize that when I rubbed my face, what I was doing too was entrapping fibers that simply sat on my face, within the goo that I was rubbing off. And then I put that under the scope. And it "appeared to be fibers inside the specimen" but all it was "after soaking the specimen" was fibers I'd rolled up in it. We attract fibers from our environment, because we're statically charged. And with a "secretion" coming out of our skin, we're like magnets too. Like a balloon will stick to our head if we rub it, and that balloon has a lot more weight than one tiny fiber. So fibers being all over - stick to us when we don't even realize it. Just (my thoughts). I keep saying that, because I know the "fibers" issue is a sensitive issue, and well, the only fibers I keep seeing, are just environment. I've also put bleach on them, and they'll dissolve while they sit on my slide too. Just like if one were to put too much bleach on any fabric, it will eat a hole in it. If there's another type of fiber that cannot be dissolved in bleach, I've not yet seen it. So again, I can only talk about the fibers "I've messed with on the slide" from my own experiences. I just have a hard time ruling out "what is". And I know "in life" there's soooo many types of textiles we could fill a room with the different treatments they implement (fabrics with). They "fire retard fabrics" they spill proof carpets with a fine silicone coating of chemicals, there's just an unimaginable scope of "pre-treated with chemicals fibers" in existence already. Here my dear is a picture of the stuff that grows in the yellow fluid for the most part isolated from red blood in one video, in the other you do not see it grow as I was not quick enough, but you can see every time it hits a red blood cell it sucks the red out and turns the cell black. can not imagine fibrous growth, hmmm what are these. This video took SECONDS to form these tubes this video is at 250 X magnification, look closely, every time the tube touches a red blood cell they are turned black www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSPqdR_ljk8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=ULThis next one is REAL time formation meaning this is not time relapsed, it too the amount of time to form that you watch it in, OMG look how quick these things get bigger thicker my goodness I even have pictures of them turning BLUE and forming a grid. www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPodyogcOzg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=ULHere is another item, you are seeing a tiny little piece of this in a AIR BUBBLE awake and form, blast out of there like it needs a meal, a blood meal, I wonder if when these tubes shoot out under the flesh if they could cause itching, hmmm www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKlxzhKXSXA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL I am just going to add in this last one because maybe Tony could be right, I was eating my carpet one day and this must be the result of that meal in my poo, I was hungry and figured if my dog enjoyed eating carpet maybe it was ok, notice the nice twist to the fibers, after chewing on the carpet for a time I found a piece that fit on my head nicely so now I wear it as a topee I don't think anyone can tell, I think it looks nice. You know what, wow, I watched my own video and lo and behold in the picture is one of the vines that hold the large mass of tubes with the coils inside, see the brown wide thing in the background of the fibers, holy moly, I have to watch the video over now. to see if some environmental debris landed on the vine like thing or the stuff that came out of me was kinda like protected from the environment . hmmmm www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xeBsfQOzjg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL OMG
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