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Post by toni on Dec 8, 2011 9:53:02 GMT -5
tONI, are we talking just the regular mustard powder you find in the grocery isle with the spices? I think you are right about the 100% tea tree oil over large areas of the body. I believe it can affect the lungs and muscle tissue but I need to read some more on that. Make sure it says "ground" that way it's powdery and easier to mix with anything.oi42.tinypic.com/dm7fk1.jpgSkiz, yes, the regular cooking "dry mustard" from the spice department in the grocery store, that's the stuff. ;D I first tried (Guldens) mustard - but...that has all kinds of additives in it, plus it smells like mustard, haha The "dry mustard" has no additives, just dry ground powdered mustard, and it's easy to mix with just about anything at all. The only thing anyone who uses "dry ground mustard" has to be careful of, is that if too much is used and put on the scalp or skin, oooooh does it burn like fire. I of course did the "more is better when I was trying it out" and my face got all burned, acutally like abrasions all over it...but that's all healed now. I had scabs all over my face as it healed up, and so that's why I say be ever so careful with it, use it sparingly. It really will make you feel super clean too using it in shampoo (let that sit ontop your head) the shampoo with some dry mustard mixed (in a separate bottle) as you don't want to just leave mixed mustard shampoo to sit, just mix up enough for each washing. Even washing the face with it, it's great mixed with baking soda (just a pinch of dry mustard) with that, and aloe gel or face wash soap, and that too is wonderful as it leaves the skin feeling super clean. Something I observed about the tea tree oil. Everything I read too (on the internet) about using TTO said that's a way to rid them. But...from what I saw under the scope, it doesn't work as well as the dry mustard with water even. The mites "crawled and wiggled for at least 5 mintues after I put even 100% tea tree oil on them, whereas the dry mustard mixed with water (very diluted) was an instant kill. I liked that part ;D And it's true, a human can't use 100% TTO over large areas, tea tree oil can be very toxic if used in high strengths on large areas of the body. And to use only a 25% or less, would take hours to kill them, which is why the mustard 'imho' is a winner for killing the demodex. We just have to catch them or be ready for them when they come out of the follicles at night too.
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Post by toni on Dec 8, 2011 9:59:46 GMT -5
Thanks, Toni, for the photos. They seem to be almost transparent. This is the first time for me to believe that a BUG is involved with this creepiness of an affliction. Like Obam writes.." I've never seen a moving bug" Well, Now they're getting the mustard...so when they come out for their midnight hot party, they'll have a hot time! I don't take kindly being used as a perpetual brothel and a litterbox as well! sage Thanks Sage. And yes, the demodex are almost solidly clear/transparent, and so tiny they can only be seen with at least 60X magnification and that's hardly enough to make them out. The picture above was at 200X magnification. They're horrid little things....I get the creeps seeing them, but, I'm glad because now I know they're there and need rid of. That's funny what you said about the brothel and litter box. I know what you mean. What's really awful too is everything I read about them, when they die, they rot inside our skin too, and there's so many - which is the way some articles describe what happens, and that's enough to make me want to be in mustard 24/7. Ugh..
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Post by toni on Dec 8, 2011 10:42:37 GMT -5
This is the creepiest one I've seen on my slide. If anyone gets the cooties easily from seeing squirmies, then I'd sure say don't watch this video, it's beyond horrid of this Demodex squirming. Really, it's creepy. 200X magnification. tinypic.com/player.php?v=4v45kp&s=5Something I read too, is the adult Demodex have 8 legs, 4 on each side. The babies (nymphs) have only 6 legs. So, they're easy to count if you can scope them at a good magnification. hehehe - my sanded and burned needle looks corroded to the max at this magnification.
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Post by skizit on Dec 8, 2011 10:53:38 GMT -5
Toni, I wonder if you could get some pictures of the eggs if you can find them. When you have a bite, you can pinch or scrape it open and there will always be a teeny tiniest little grain. Magnified at 100X, you can see them clearly, although you won't see the mites themselves until they are ready to hatch. You don't want the egg to stay in the skin that long. You have to open the bite and pinch and pick it until the egg comes out. I'd like the people here to see what they look like.
People need to understand that its not the mites that cause the disease, its the bacteria. They need to be killing the bacteria in the bites as well as treating the mites themselves.
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Post by toni on Dec 8, 2011 11:02:17 GMT -5
Toni, I wonder if you could get some pictures of the eggs if you can find them. When you have a bite, you can pinch or scrape it open and there will always be a teeny tiniest little grain. Magnified at 100X, you can see them clearly, although you won't see the mites themselves until they are ready to hatch. You don't want the egg to stay in the skin that long. You have to open the bite and pinch and pick it until the egg comes out. I'd like the people here to see what they look like. People need to understand that its not the mites that cause the disease, its the bacteria. They need to be killing the bacteria in the bites as well as treating the mites themselves. I agree totally. It's what they're carrying that is what's toxic. And yes, just getting part of them out, doesn't do a thing, the whole sac and eggs and mites need out too, or killed with a topical. I've got so many video's and "their goo" and I'm sure there's a gazillion eggs in the goo, but, I don't know the difference, but I'll find a video that's got all that stuff in it, and you'll see what I mean, it's very hard to tell or determine "what part are the eggs, and what part is what". I'm not that good at deciphering "their eggs" from the rest of the gunk they make. Be back.
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Post by toni on Dec 8, 2011 11:35:58 GMT -5
tinypic.com/player.php?v=bc675&s=5Skiz, this is the clearish stuff that their eggs are in. Sort of like thin skin and transparent. They're encapsulated in these "pod things" that are gooey till they dry, then they're like paper almost, the texture is very brittle like. I have them in water to remain soft so I can press the mites out of them. I think their eggs are abundant in these "sac things". I don't know what's what...just that I can pull the mites out of these "casings" fairly easily once I pick these "casings out of my skin". This is video'd at 60x magnification.
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Post by toni on Dec 8, 2011 11:44:37 GMT -5
Here's another with the stretchy goo that I got out of my skin. This goo stuff dries to the slides and is like super glue it's so strong. I'm sure inside this goo are eggs, but...I'd not know an egg of a Demodex as I'm not that experienced yet knowing what part is what yet. But, I do know, inside this gooey gunk, their "sac things are" which is where they're hiding. I have several Morton's Salt granules on the slide for size comparison, as they they're soooo tiny. When the stretchy gunk dries, it makes like clear fibers, the lengths are just dependent on how far it's stretched. It becomes very brittle like too when it's dry - which only takes a minute before it hardens. tinypic.com/player.php?v=k1ujrq&s=5
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Post by skizit on Dec 8, 2011 21:58:15 GMT -5
Its the dried egg casings I have seen. I guess you'd have to refrain from putting them in water to see what they are like when you pull them out of a killed lesion.
I'm thinking the tea tree oil may be used as a de-gooer. Try that if you have some.
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Post by sage on Dec 9, 2011 2:10:22 GMT -5
Skizit Pardon my autism, but not certain I totally comprehend your last remark... My belief has been from the get-go that this stuff is unusually weird and unexplainable. And I've been perpetually looking for, and not seeing, BUGS. It seems that more people in the east & south have experienced live BUGS emerging from skin visible to the naked eye. This creeps me out! sage
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Post by sage on Dec 9, 2011 2:16:40 GMT -5
Skizit To avoid confusion, the above is a reply to your Q on page 3...sage
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Post by sage on Dec 9, 2011 3:10:46 GMT -5
Toni, How many sacs are in a follicle (?) And how many loose adults & juvies are in there with them (?) It must get awfully crowded! Seems to be all sex & sacs! What a mess... sage
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Post by toni on Dec 9, 2011 9:41:01 GMT -5
Its the dried egg casings I have seen. I guess you'd have to refrain from putting them in water to see what they are like when you pull them out of a killed lesion. I'm thinking the tea tree oil may be used as a de-gooer. Try that if you have some. It smells like a solvent. It may remove paint. Hi Skizit, I know what you mean about TTO, but it doesn't affect the "goo from what I've seen". What it reminds me of is (for a way to put it)...is like trying to remove nail polish with soap or oil, the bonds must be broken to be degraded. And this goo stuff seems to be more like chitin or keratin, which anything that contradicts it's properties, seems to cause it to harden. When the specimens are left in the air for a minute, they dry as hard as rock too. That's why if they're not put into water right away to hydrate, and viewed right then, then there's no getting them open or smashed to see what's inside. They literally like shrivel up, and become hard like little granules or they crystalize like. After that, there's nothing to see in regards to them- the specimen will just be a hard little chunk of stuff. The tea tree oil doesn't really do anything except it will kill a demodex (only if) the demodex has had direct contact with the TTO, and sits in it for at least 5-10 min. I've read too that nothing on earth can penetrate the egg casings, which is why the new "eggs being in people's pores" are not affected at all no matter what is used. One must wait till the new "hatchlings" surface in order to kill them. That too is why treatments must be continued because not only do the adults need rid of - but then the new ones that hatch have to be treated too. So a good month of daily diligence is what makes the difference, or even longer if they're in the environment (sheets, blankets, pillows, or furniture), since they too can live off a mammal for almost a couple of weeks.
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Post by toni on Dec 9, 2011 9:47:39 GMT -5
Toni, How many sacs are in a follicle (?) And how many loose adults & juvies are in there with them (?) It must get awfully crowded! Seems to be all sex & sacs! What a mess... sage Hi Sage, and I've read that 10-20 can live though in follicle. They're so microscopic that even a period at the end of a sentence here is huge compared to them. They can't be seen without magnification. I know it's hard to imagine how tiny these are, but see how this period is in the brackets? ( . ) That period in the brackets we can see, so if it were soooo tiny that we couldn't even see it, (that's how tiny these demodex are).
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Post by Lynn on Dec 9, 2011 10:58:55 GMT -5
Hi Sage
I too am in Central California. The bugs are creepy and frustrating. Its hard to scare me and this disease sure scared the ell out of me.
In Light Lynn
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Post by Lynn on Dec 9, 2011 11:13:59 GMT -5
Hi Skizit
I so agree with you big time. The bugs will not stop till we kill all the stuff we have been infected with. So frustrating to keep killing the bacteria the bugs give us, the bugs themselves and the disease Morgellons all at the same time. It definitely is a plate over full.
When I look at those who are free of this I want so bad to have them in a group talk session to pick their brains to find out what I did wrong to stay sick this long. At the same time I think I may know why.
In Light Lynn
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Post by Lynn on Dec 9, 2011 11:49:52 GMT -5
Hi Toni
I did get brave enough to put the soap mixed with mustard into personal areas. So this is my experience so far. The lack of vinegar in my environment has increase the mite or nematode population. I have not spray blanket on chairs in living room with mustard mix yet and will do that today. I need to see if it will cut them down in my environment.
Bugs do die faster with the mustard. But does not keep them away as long as the vinegar. I may increase the vinegar to day to see if I can deter them longer from getting on me. I will only do the lotion on days off sense it makes me sting and itch. Funny I have never really itched before through most of this. Very little episodes so slight and short that I can not even recall what was going on when the episodes happened. Probably waring something oily on skin.
Still making slow diet changes to create less mold/fungus to get them to see less of me. I bought a tiny container of mustard for over two dollars and it is have gone. At night I put a light amount of my soap mixture on hair and massage in and do not rinse. I ware it all night and that has help my head in bed at night. There was a lot of tiny speck all over my hair late evening after covering up with blanket watching t.v. and feeling like they were coming off the blanket and getting on me everywhere. Went for my eyes, nose and ears and whole body.
Oh I forgot that they really got past my nasal gear last night to get into my nose sense my head was too unpleasant for them. Dang I hate this. All my past experience on anything I have tried. When you protect one area they move over to a new area. Like herding sheep.
Well I do like the kill factor of the Mustard and will keep at it to see how far I can take the numbers down. Wish I could use some on the grand kid. He seems to be driving in our direction. His parents and no family member would ever believe me, but I think he is in trouble. He spent the summer being to sensitive to sun light. Now he tells me his fingers are asleep when he has not done anything different then he always does. I notice that his inner arm has a red rash area with tiny tiny bumps. He constantly is grabbing at his ears, eyes, nose, head, neck, inner arms, behind knees, and private parts. I pray so hard every night to God to not let the grand kids get this. I keep telling him to give me all their disease and bugs. I deserve to have this not them. Then I always end up crying for all kids with any disease. Gosh the sympathy pains I get. I have always had a terrible time with that. Every time I went to a dr. appt as a kid I would hid my tears as other struggled with their leg problems. I can remember always wondering why God let me be able to walk while others could not.
Maybe that is why I am not able to defeat this disease. I feel too deserving of it.
In Light Lynn
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Post by Harry on Dec 9, 2011 20:22:47 GMT -5
Freaky stuff!, thanks a lot Toni look kinda familiar good post, Hugs all sleep well
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Post by skizit on Dec 9, 2011 23:42:58 GMT -5
The research on Tea tree oil is that it is 100% effective in killing mites. It has to be kept up for at least 3 weeks. The research was done on eyelids. Treating a whole head or a whole body would be much more difficulty in maintaining.
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Post by toni on Dec 10, 2011 9:58:33 GMT -5
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1772908/Here's a good article too. And yes, in my tests too as I'd commented, that putting straight 100% tea tree oil directly on the demodex on the scope slide, killed it in 5-10 min. But, using 100% straight tea tree oil on my skin or eye lids - I'd not personally use it that strong. I've read that too Skizit that the tea tree oil is the best way to go, but, I suppose if one mixes it with macadamia oil at even a 50% strength, that can work too, just would take longer. I guess I want "instant" - you know how that goes. Fast isn't fast enough ;D when it comes to these horrid little things. I found that using the dry mustard mixed with anything, even water, which isn't in the books, worked better, and the kill rate was instant. But...no matter what's used, it has to be kept up to kill the ones that haven't hatched yet.
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Post by toni on Dec 10, 2011 10:08:46 GMT -5
Lynn,
I'm sorry you have such a heavy load of some kind of pests. When I began feeling the ticklies on my face, that's when my mustard washes began, and now things feel pretty normal.
I'm doing this mustard wash daily too, using it mixed into my body wash and shampoo, and even taking the dry mustard, and running it through a coffee filter with some water (to get the refined juice) then I take that (mustard juice) and mix that with body lotion and spread that all on. It seems to be working, because I've not been able to find a Demodex in the last few days. I may eat those words, but so far, very good.
I sure hope your continued use of it will give you the same relief.
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