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Post by bugsalive2 on Jul 2, 2005 22:02:11 GMT -5
Skytroll, I am an Independent. I realize that the PNAC's have hijacked the Republican Party and the Democratic Party has become Fascists. If things don't change, I'll be voting for a member of the Patriot Movement named Karl Schwarz (no t in the name). He wrote the book, "One Way Ticket To Crawford Texas". He has two websites. They are: www.karlschwarz.com and www.karlschwarz2008.com. He may not win the presidential election, but George W. Bush's house of cards is coming down. Respectfully Yours, Bugs Alive
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Post by ANTHILL on Jul 2, 2005 22:14:01 GMT -5
Judgeing from bugs post in the Malt-O-Philia Shoppe and the persoalitys involved I dont think a dicusson of politics can be done respecfuly From where I sit it's down hill fom here" Jerry Springer show here we come" Movining the catar-wallen to another part of the board in not a soution ether because that means that I have to still babysit adults and patti kerry deb and I are to dam sick please help us" some things are better left un-said thanks for your support
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Post by Hope on Jul 3, 2005 0:24:27 GMT -5
I have an idea and it’s just an idea so don’t be to hard on me if it’s not a good one. Three months or so go I think it was Kathy that suggested we create an off topic spot on this board. Patti and Kerry have done a wonderful job in providing this and it is working very well. Why not create one for our politickin? This could give us a place to speak freely about how we feel and still enable persons who choose to stay away from a discussion of politics the opportunity to do just that.
Jeff, You have taken much heat and I would like you to know that even though I disagree with you on everything, I still respect your views when they are not insulting. Debate is healthy and it keeps us American.
"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." -Noam Chomsky
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Post by SpecueLatin on Jul 3, 2005 6:55:30 GMT -5
My request to the moderators and creators of this board.
The questions about whether we will or will not get help from the CDC for what is contagious and/or infectious disease, one which the American population has the right to protection, makes this political discussion and exchange of information part and parcel with this condition.
Please do not set a limit on the free flow of information to be exchanged. It's important all here concerned have as much information as possible.
Hope's concept is a good one.
Thanks, Spec
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Post by special guest star on Jul 3, 2005 7:22:58 GMT -5
For the record, I'm an independent, myself. The Democrats, in my opinion, are as easily bought and sold as the Republicans. And why does a debate have to be heated? Can't it be handled peacefully?
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Post by adapted on Jul 3, 2005 7:34:10 GMT -5
Anthill,
I apologize for the headaches I have contributed to over discussing politics. With all due respect, just to be clear for the record, though, what Bugs had a bone to pick with Jeff over, when he'd directed him to go The Malt Shoppe, didn't pertain to politics. It was solely over the post contained on this thread:
Re: folks get a grip « Reply #49 on 7/1/05 at 23:20 »
Posted by Jeff: I think there are too things going on with the poeple on this post...their is reality and there is not reality..The realality is that most doctors except swartz and a few think we are all crazy..The cdc knows about us and thinks were crazy..every doctor you ever brought a plastic baggy sample into thinks your crazy..and it is all getting tied to this morgellons name..You are simply not in reality on this and many other issues...Reality is hard and painfull but it still is reality,,and those of you that accuse swartz of the name change for fame purpose..are evil back stabbing slime balls,,you dont know him and you say these things..how do you think god would feel about you saying accusations..I know swartz he cares about us and is just trying to help..You really bite that hand that feeds..and continue to wallow in your sorrow..reality sucks..and thats just the way it is..grow up Here's just a segment (based on memory) of Bugs' comments:
You also stated, "and those of you that accuse swartz of the name change for fame purpose..are evil back stabbing slime balls,,you dont know him and you say these things..how do you think god would feel about you saying accusations."
Can you not see the hypocrisy in that statement?
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Post by Patti on Jul 3, 2005 9:41:17 GMT -5
No apology necessary, Adapted, but thank you for offering one up. To everyone here......no matter how much sense everyone makes, we all know there will never come a time when a President will be elected who represents, and pleases, all of us. I don't see how discussing this will do any of us any good....it just gets everyone heated up and that is not good for our illness or this board. Everyone has their own political stance and it's clear that nothing will change our views no matter what is said, so why even try? Maybe it does serve to get our minds off our problems for a bit, but at what expense? We are just getting angry at a different topic that's all, exchanging one bitterness for another and it's futile. Our anger could be better utilized if we directed it toward getting answers to our current health problems. However, we won't stop your "off-topic" discussions if they are taken to the Off-topic category as long as they remain cordial. I agree with Ant that this probably isn't possible, but with your help maybe we can make it happen. I hope everyone has a safe, fun holiday and hugs to all!
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Post by JEFF on Jul 3, 2005 12:08:21 GMT -5
OF ALL THE STATMENTS HERE I AGREE WITH THIS ONE THIS MOST...THE DEMS THINK CLINTON IS OUT TO SAVE THE WORLD..THEY COUNDNT BE FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH..THE ASSUMPTION THOUGH THAT EVERYBODY ON THE HILL AND IN THE WHITE HOUSE IS AUTOMATICALLY BAD..MAKES US JUDGMENTIAL..THERE ARE GOOD POEPLE IN THERE...EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE THE MINORITY..YOU CANT CONDEMMN A WHOLE GROUP OF POEPLE INTO ONE PILE..I MAY BE A REPLUBLICAN...BUT I ALSO VOTED FOR ROSS PERRO..I ALWAYS MAINTIAN MY OBJECTIVITY...I DONT THINK THE DEMS CAN DO THAT...THEIR HATRED FOR BUSH IS AUTOMATIC AND LEARNED ..CROWD TYPLE MENTALLITY MOST OF THEIR FREINDS THINK THE SAME WAY THEY DO..FUELING THE FIRE..AND WHEN BUSH WON...THEY STARTED CRYING ELECTION FRAUD.....IN THEIR MINDS HOW COULD HE HAVE ONE...ALL MY FRIENDS WANTED KERRY...ITS WHO THEY SURROND THEMSELVES WITH.. IT IS HARD FOR THEM TO CONTIMPLATE THAT BUSH WON FAIR AND SQUARE BECAUSE HE GOT MORE VOTES...THATS IT..THAT MEANS MORE POEPLE AGREE WITH ME THAN NOT...AND IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY HERE DISAGREES..SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL ME..THE BOARD HERE IS NOT A SLICE OF AMERICA AFTER ALL...WHERE IS THE OTHER 50%??SO FAR I SEEM TO BE THE ONLY ONE THAT VOTED FOR BUSH..WHERE ARE YOU ALL FROM...NEW YORK..LA..SAN FRAN..WHY IS THIS DISEASE SO FOCUSED ON THESE CITIES? IS IT SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED???IM NOT BASHING HERE BUT ASK YOURSELF HAVE YOU BEEN EXPOSED MULTIPLE TIMES...I CONFESS I HAVE...TOO MANY TIMES TO COUNT..AND I GREW UP IN LA,..IN THE 1980'S,, !!! Ant, Jeff, Bugs, etc, Liberal or Conservative will turn into communitarianism vs independent thinkers. The Dems and Reps are both losing the support of the people. It is the people who need to be listened to, not these morphed leaders. It is sorta like this: do we have bugs or do we have worms in Morgellons. It is neither. It is a morphing thing, just like these liberals and conservatives who are morphing together. Both are wrong, as is the label we get from docs who say we are delusional. Liberal Academia is regenoming the earth, while Conservatives are synthecizing everything that is natural. This is not so called moderacy I am talking here, it is true objective independent thinking. This is where progression stopped. Both parties are self-destructing. Neither gives a darn about the people. It is agenda, top-down stuff from both parties. It needs to come from the guts of this nation. The true independent thinkers who can see the good and bad in both the parties, but, are willing to select what is best for all of mankind in this nation and the world. The people need to wake up to the destruction both parties are doing to us. I am not talking populist party here either. I am talking true Americans going after Congress, Senate, Judicial Branch and put them in there places where they belong, not as rulers. If you take the blue pill you believe what you want, if you take the red pill, see how far that rabbit hole goes. (paraphrase from Matrix). At least with the red pill we can see it unfold and that rabbit hole gets smaller and smaller. There is more at stake here which includes the ecological earth itself, the lies told us there, and the material world, the lies told us there. The pharmaceutical companies want to synthecize all our medicines, the oil companies are hiding "free energy" from us. It is time for the people to speak. That includes our health. What we do on these boards express from our very beings what is happening to us. I am so thankful we can do this. But, people wake us to what is happening to us. The political labels are just that. They are in blue boxes or red boxes. Think outside of both, this is where we will get somewhere. skytroll
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Post by jj on Jul 3, 2005 12:53:24 GMT -5
Jeff,
You are not the only one who voted for Bush, others made the same mistake. No, we are not a "normal slice of America." We have issues different from the norm and are probably more aware of circumstances surrounding the drug companies, the medical profession and insurance companies than is the average American.
Bottom line; everyone is entitled to their own opinion and to speak it. BUT they do not have the right to continue to try to cram it down everyone else. Eventually they are going to get tired of it and cram something up yours.
Lesser is Better
John
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Post by special guest star on Jul 3, 2005 14:20:59 GMT -5
I know a few conservatives who voted for Bush and are now "opening their eyes" so to speak. They see that Bush is a conservative in name only--a neocon with a war agenda and big government--because big government is against every tenet conservatives hold dear.
This isn't an "attack the Republican" thread because again, Bush isn't a real Republican. Republicans were flat out betrayed by Bush, and many are starting to see that now. Just the economy alone has many Republicans slapping their foreheads...
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Post by ANTHILL on Jul 3, 2005 19:48:35 GMT -5
Speaking of Patti and the decision that she made about this thread that I stand by 100%--and I mean this in fun
The great and wonderful Oz has spoken ;D
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Post by JEFF on Jul 4, 2005 0:09:26 GMT -5
tom petty rocks...you guys are way too up tight...chill.....
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Post by jodyann52 on Jul 4, 2005 6:20:59 GMT -5
jeff,i dare u say that every one got this by having sex with lots of people. i have had sex with one.let me repeat this one person.i'm 53yrs. old been married35yrs. any one can get this.what about the little kids.i can't believe i'm the only one that caught u on this. u need to stop it.think about what u r saying.u can hurt a lot of people with words u can never take them back. u r the one that needs to chill.....
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Post by JEFF on Jul 4, 2005 9:00:58 GMT -5
the thing with liberals is once you pee them off they can alter your words to condemnn you.condemnn me not..What I meant was I suspect It is a possible mode of transmission...Dah not the only mode..In my post I confessed to being bad..It is the spirit of the law that counts...not the law itself..really chill
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Post by ANTHILL on Jul 4, 2005 10:08:33 GMT -5
Vary wise word from Jeff (Chill) has a sort of a ring to it dont you think? ;D
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Post by char on Jul 4, 2005 10:47:32 GMT -5
Not one so-called shrink or medical professional of any type, can diagnose an illness with one visit....it is out of the question and ridiculous....and we all know it....look how we have all been messed around with the lyme illness....
Is Bush going to take the tests first, and have his results posted for the world to see? That is my question. How much is he going to pay to get a "free of mental issues" result for his tests? He sure likes to spend money, ours, namely, the tax payers.
Scuse me, all bush lovers.
from char
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Post by adapted on Jul 4, 2005 13:58:31 GMT -5
Hey y'all, I want to be the first in line to get screened for mental illness by "Booshie". I love this here thread! It shore duzn't have anything resembling a detrimental effect on me, 'less I've dropped so far off da cliff I jest caint realize it no mo. This is comic relief to me, and it duzn't generate any ill feelings, nor adverse reactions, at all, to hear what we all think and what our opinions are. No bad vibes whatsoever. To me, it's just the complete opposite! I look at it as proving that we're all alive and still kicking. I know we don't all share that feeling though, and that words can be injurious to people when they take them personally. But who are any of us, to care what someone else thinks? Nobody has that type of fixed-power over any of us. I guess being ill, though, some of us on here can see it in a different light. But this particular thread just throws a great feeling my way every single time I read it. I think it shows that we are all still in possession of vitality in our spirits. Jeff, I gotta say "thanks", cuz you do a lot of it singlehandedly. I know that some of the things that all of us say, can be, and are, misintrepretted easily, but you cracked-me-up-all-to-pieces when you had said... "...WHERE ARE YOU ALL FROM...NEW YORK..LA..SAN FRAN..WHY IS THIS DISEASE SO FOCUSED ON THESE CITIES? IS IT SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED???IM NOT BASHING HERE BUT ASK YOURSELF HAVE YOU BEEN EXPOSED MULTIPLE TIMES..." I'm sorry, I didn't "try" taking this out of context from the point you were trying to make, but the way I perceived it, when I read it, just had me out-rolling-in-the-floor with laughter. Laughter is such a good thing, no matter how it comes about, ya know? (Ha! Those aren't the only cities where people have mutiple sex partners.) Ya kill me, Jeff. Sorry, even though I know how I viewed that comment, at first glance, wuz just in me own haid...thanks, cuz it wuz a good fun time that it gave me.
Now, everybody that feels up to it, form a line behind me...cuz "Booshie" iz gonna screen me first, ifen I kin gets him tooze. ;D
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Post by to adapted fro jeff on Jul 5, 2005 23:09:26 GMT -5
YA SOMETIMES I CRACK MY SELF UP...TOO BAD MOST POEPLE HERE DONT UNDERSTAND THE WORDS MULTIPLE TIMES CAUSE THEVE NEVER EXPERIENCED IT OR GIVIN IT FOR THAT MANNER..FROM THE SOUNDS OF SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE. I THINK IT WENT RIGHT OVER THERE HEAD.LITERALLY.IM GLAD GOD HAS BLESSED ME WITH MULTIPLE CAPACITIES TO HAVE MY HEAD SCREWED ON STRAIGHT..(SOMEWHAT), NOW NOW I NO THERE ARE POEPLE SCREAMING OUT THERE,,BUT THIS TIME ITS NOT MY FAULT, I THINK THERE CONFUSED NOW..ANGER IS SUCH AN INHIBITER.. Hey y'all, I want to be the first in line to get screened for mental illness by "Booshie". I love this here thread! It shore duzn't have anything resembling a detrimental effect on me, 'less I've dropped so far off da cliff I jest caint realize it no mo. This is comic relief to me, and it duzn't generate any ill feelings, nor adverse reactions, at all, to hear what we all think and what our opinions are. No bad vibes whatsoever. To me, it's just the complete opposite! I look at it as proving that we're all alive and still kicking. I know we don't all share that feeling though, and that words can be injurious to people when they take them personally. But who are any of us, to care what someone else thinks? Nobody has that type of fixed-power over any of us. I guess being ill, though, some of us on here can see it in a different light. But this particular thread just throws a great feeling my way every single time I read it. I think it shows that we are all still in possession of vitality in our spirits. Jeff, I gotta say "thanks", cuz you do a lot of it singlehandedly. I know that some of the things that all of us say, can be, and are, misintrepretted easily, but you cracked-me-up-all-to-pieces when you had said... "...WHERE ARE YOU ALL FROM...NEW YORK..LA..SAN FRAN..WHY IS THIS DISEASE SO FOCUSED ON THESE CITIES? IS IT SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED???IM NOT BASHING HERE BUT ASK YOURSELF HAVE YOU BEEN EXPOSED MULTIPLE TIMES..." I'm sorry, I didn't "try" taking this out of context from the point you were trying to make, but the way I perceived it, when I read it, just had me out-rolling-in-the-floor with laughter. Laughter is such a good thing, no matter how it comes about, ya know? (Ha! Those aren't the only cities where people have mutiple sex partners.) Ya kill me, Jeff. Sorry, even though I know how I viewed that comment, at first glance, wuz just in me own haid...thanks, cuz it wuz a good fun time that it gave me. Now, everybody that feels up to it, form a line behind me...cuz "Booshie" iz gonna screen me first, ifen I kin gets him tooze. ;D
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Post by special guest star on Jul 7, 2005 3:25:00 GMT -5
It's sport for me, too. I also enjoy winning and being on the side that won. Congrats, Bushie bashers...facts go ALOT farther than emotions do...
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Post by Hope on Jul 7, 2005 12:20:32 GMT -5
Special Guest Star,
May I suggest that you enlist in the Army and and go to Iraq to join the winning team? Oh I forgot, that mission was accomplished years ago, wasn't it?
You too Jeff, why don't you people want to fight in this war since you seem to be the only ones to support it? I served my country but I'll bet you have not.
It's past time to get your facts strait people. Please educate youselves before you put yourselves out there to look like fools.
REALITY CHECK ~ JUST THE FACTS FOLKS!
With Bush as President, America has:
• Experienced the worst national security failure in its history • Reversed the greatest period of prosperity in its history • Depleted the largest fiscal surplus in its history • Created the largest deficit in its history • Lost the most jobs during a single presidential term in its history • Invaded and occupied a nation that did not harm or threaten the US for the first time in history. • Rolled back more environmental protection laws than any other president in history • Denied the public access to more information than any other time in its history. • Appointed more convicted felons to government posts than any other president in history
• Held more people captive without Constitutional rights than at any other time in its history • Proposed a Constitutional change that would take away civil rights for the first time in its history • Insulted and alienated more of it’s allies than ever before in its history • Lost the respect of more people around the world than ever before in its history • Replaced more science with religious ideology than at any at other time in its history • Divided the nation and the people of the world like never before in its history • Fostered a global climate based on fear and hatred not seen on this planet since the Nazi regime
Has anything on this planet other than the financial wealth of Halliburton and the corporate friends of the Bush administration improved under the leadership of George W. Bush? Anything? Please tell us. We would like to know. We would love nothing more than to respect and trust our leader, but we can not seem to come up with a single reason to do so.
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PEACE, Hope
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