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Post by Spunky on Jul 12, 2005 23:41:52 GMT -5
Spec, How did you get Praziquantel from Thailand? The internet? Can you please post the site? I found a site that says it is safe for humans, including kids, but sells only for fish. Many thanks for your and all others' help and support. I have been reading this site for months--now believe the problem is Strongyloides with a multi-stage life cycle, filarial (skin), systemic (blood), intestinal, etc. You can see it on the CDC web, in fact, I think someone else also posted it previously. The CDC may not have it completely right, but it seems very close--so complex, it is difficult to track the entire life cycle. What further complicates it is the vector. www.dpd.cdc.gov/dpdx/HTML/Strongyloidiasis.asp?body=Frames/S-Z/Strongyloidiasis/body_Strongyloidiasis_page1.htm Mine was vectored through my daughter's exposure to head lice. While combing her hair, what I originally believed to be a "nit" buried itself into my chest. 3 weeks later a creeping eruption appeared in my neck. That was at Christmas. I have slowly deteriorated since then and am now full blown Morgellons. My other family members immune system must be better than mine, or else "mom" is just overworked, cause I am the worst. I also now have a bull's eye ring around what looked like a mole--classic for Lyme. Just ordered a ParaZapper from Alabama; recently resumed taking the herbal anti-worms and colloidal silver; believe the black specs to be a larval stage, but not an arthropod (lice, scabies, ticks, fleas, spiders, etc.). Funny--the poster at the vets office clearly demonstrates the link between fleas and tapeworm--if humans are bitten, why would we be any different? Have seen several Drs., pediatricians, called the CDC; I will now save my time and my dignity. Purchased Hulda Clark's book and I think she is right--American doctors are completely missing the boat--if cancer isn't a parasite, they most certainly could be the cause. Oh yeah, the sun and the sea are definitely helping. Trouble is, that happens only so often for me. If I could live at the beach, I might be cured. Again, thanks for the help. spunky, but battle weary
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Post by bugged1 on Jul 13, 2005 1:48:27 GMT -5
Ahhh, well -- I've been on chemo - How much worse can 10 days of this be? First, I need to convince myself that it has a change of working. I just don't understand what it would do for the black specks part. That's why I brought up the invermectin. The black specks get 86'd by the dae (diatomaceous earth), trust me on that one. G
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Post by SpecueLatin on Jul 13, 2005 5:07:22 GMT -5
Hello Spunky, I hope this info might help. The site I found was www.vrdrug.com. You can read about the studies on a link they provide as to how much you would have to take of Praziquantel before you would get the chance of a negative reaction and it is a lot, still that is the general population. Of course, there are always a few people whose bodies may respond differently to anything. I took enough to kill off the Spargan mansoni, this critter can cause sensations internally as it can live in body cavities and can deposit larva into the skin and all other kinds of pesky stuff. It is typically an asiatic disease. My cost was $120.00 for two 16 tablet bottles, 32 tablets in all, of which I took 10 tablets per day, divided into 3 doses each day(3 and 1/3 tablets per dose). I repeated this 3 days in a row. A total of 30 tablets was needed for my 170 pound body. What I have noticed: The second day: The lightning flash that would dart from the back of my right eye, behind the left eye and all the way across the back of my head in a loop, stopped happening the second day. I imagine these were some sort of mini-seizure. The flip-flop monster that some others have noted within the gut area (some call it an alien baby) and the minor amount of bloating I still had left (much of this had gone away with the ivemectin (Stromectol is the brand name for humans). All of the bloating and the flip-flop monster now seems as gone as gone can get. As a reaction to the praziquantel, I had movement in the large muscles on the front of the thigh, and a minor break out followed on the skin surface in that area only. In contrast, when I took Stromectol, I had this reaction as well, but in many different areas of muscle. Also, the Stromectol caused an exodus around many of the large joints ..things emerged up through the skin, between the boney area - apparently from within the connective tissue (ligament) in the joint. The Stromectol did not help the liver or kidney pain. My liver was merely sensitive, but my kidneys were giving me so much pain that it was disabling. Two weeks after taking the Praziquantel at this dosage level - the kidney pain has ceased. My liver is no longer sensitive to touch. If you view the photos of EH, you will see the many creatures that are characteristic of those that have emerged from my skin, over the past few months (no eel or starfish for me though). In particular she has a thing she refers to as "blood lint" which I refer to as a blood monster. This was the first I had seen of a similar organism from the blood. You have seen the photos link, I assume? I was hoping to gun down the blood monsters with the praziquantel. Time will tell, but right now none of the lesions are bleeding monsters out. Spunky, I dabble, always dabble first before investing $$'s, I used homeopathic stuff first, since it is very unlikely to cause a problem - if you are wrong, it just leaves your system. I tried WRM CLEAR from the feed and grain. The results I saw told me I was on the right path, so to try out the oral prescription strength anti parasitics seemed a worthwhile investment. I read everyone's experience and what their condition is like, and have read tons from the internet links to find the associations and similarities, to make an educated guess, as to a direction I might proceed. I also have the good fortune to have an M.D. dermatologist who is just a gem. He has viewed microscope slides of my varmints with me, treated me kindly and with the utmost respect, actually laughed out loud when I asked him if he thought I was DOP or bipolar, and never once copped an attitude. He also was the first to note to me that their was the peculiar fiber growths coming off the specimens. I couldn't see that with my little magnifying loop that I first was using. I attend a university and he is on-staff there once a week. He also felt to move forward on the antiparasitics was the thing to do. He wrote the script for the Stromectol, but the Praziquantel isn't available without going through the CDC for USA residents, or so I have read. We had already tried the sulfur compounds and so forth on the first several visits to no avail. I have read that with strongyloides, there should be some intestinal symptoms as well (diarrea like). Here is probably the most clearly and comprehensively stated website concerning parasites of humans, and a treatment matrix as well. www.fungusfocus.com/html/most_common_parasitic_drugs.htmI think most of my history that I posted many times vanished when some of the pages were lost, so I'll catch you up just a little here, I had an exposure to the cercaria of the Schistosoma near Lake Pleasant, many years ago. Mistakenly, I had been advised that these could cause only swimmer's itch in a human. This is incorrect. The earlier stage, that infects the snail, when accidently infects a human, will die in the skin after a few months (or should). The cercaria however, are fully ready to enter the blood stream of a human by way of the skin. This was when I acquired the first tier of non-healing lesions. I use to do a lot of camping with my sons Boy Scout troop. Wish the memories could make up for this long-term misery! Before that I probably had Lyme disease from childhood, but had never known it. I have both Lyme and Babeosis now. About 11 years ago, a possible second innoculation by a tick or tick nymph and that may be when I got the Bab. Several months later was when I first started to have depression, confusion, lethargy. There had been a dog in the yard with large bloody ticks. These ticks then got on my dog and within a couple of years she had swollen leg very bad. They diagnosed cancer, but maybe? Also, about 6 years ago, I had the Flea-collembola-thrip-or-whatnot thing bite me 300 times in one day as I worked in the yard. This was when I acquired a second tier of non-healing lesions. We had swarms of miniature insects and there were tons of collembola everywhere at that time. If you have some info on the vet diagram of tapeworm from Fleas, please post it! I wonder if perhaps that is the varmint that wrap around the edge of many of my lesions in a clockwise circle. It has a strange, but worm like appearance, I have removed many that look alike and seem to have similar organs, it does not resemble a nematode. I am now hoping it would be the Ring wart that is shown in some images, but my thinking has been for quite a long time that is is the Onchocerca Riticulata, which is carried by sandflies and makes this type of lesion on the neck of horses (Neckworm), its natural target is of course the horse. Topically applying D-worm (petsmart), which is similar to the drug DEC, that was used before Ivermectin, seems to deaden it quickly for removal. It always burrows clockwise, weird. I am finding this miconazole also removes this monster. If that is the case, and it is a parasite, I think it is the Nitrate rather than the Miconazole that kills it. So far, there is no one who knows what all of these varying constellations of similar and dissimilar symptoms represents. What we do know is most everyone has Lyme disease as a common factor. I am grateful to this website for this knowledge, without which I would not have learned I should test for Lyme. Ginger Savely, N.P. states that in the course of treating the Lyme disease, she has seen some of the Morgellons disease also subside. Definitely visit www.lymephotos.com and read the history of low salt and the plague, and our American diet and low salt. I use to be one of those, I just never liked salt much. Now I take 12,000 mg per day along with vitamin C. I hope this was not too much of a labor to read, Spunky. Good luck on finding your way, please keep us posted. Spec
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Post by susiebell on Jul 13, 2005 6:57:29 GMT -5
Spec I enjoyed reading your post. It has been about 2 weeks since I finished the albendazole. I am having alot of stuff coming out around my neck, behind my knees, and in the groin area. At first they were large black ones then it was about 50/50 of blue and red. Now they are almost all blue. Do you have any ideas about this? Also I have also had reactions on the front of my thighs. One thing that amazed me is a tender spot I have had for 22 years is gone. I am really wondering if I need to take another round of medication. Do you know how long the medecine stays active in the system? Also is albendazole available in US with a script? I have insurance and could probably get a doctor to give one to me. I guess I missed the earlier posts about the alien babies but I think that's a great description of the feeling.
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Post by Jeff on Jul 13, 2005 7:50:47 GMT -5
Chem,
Gotcha. I just wanted to make sure I was getting aspect at once before not solving the whole problem and causing resistance ot the antibiotics. Thanks again - you've been a great help.
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Post by SpecueLatin on Jul 13, 2005 10:13:14 GMT -5
Thanks Susie, I don't know about the things, what do the things look like? Did you get some scopes? Interesting about that little tender spot. I have read that certain hookworm larvas can attach, usually near a place where the muscle meets the bone, this is where there is plenty of yummy yummy blood and they can live in this spot like that for a very very long time. Was your tender spot near such a place? When you say near your neck, do you mean front, back or all the way around? Look at the fungal focus.com link in the thread to spunky. There should be some good info about albendazole there. Another place you might look is also in that thread. The vrdrug.com has a link called "further information" (or something to that effect) when you are viewing the drug description. Something I forgot SPUNKY.. the praziquantel is called biltricide and that is what you will have to type in to get to the praziquantel order page. Have you ever seen any blood clots? If you do, toss them in alcohol and you may be surprised. I am pretty sure the praziquantel is effecting the "blood lint/blood monsters" from an observation earlier this morning. I am hopeful that it is this thing in the blood that is sending the varmints up to the skin level. And I am hopeful it is these adult forms that I needed to die die die! Since they have these round and flat clear fibers attached to them, I am also hopeful that this is THE varmint, and that many others will need to take praziquantel only for a short stretch and have it OVER OVER OVER. I guess I feel like a broken record today. get back to me susiebelle and keep us posted! spec
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Post by Spunky on Jul 14, 2005 23:56:29 GMT -5
Hi Spec, Sorry for this delay, but I found a link that somewhat illustrates the lifecycle of a flea / tapeworm (along with other varmints), pasted below. Please note the flea being mentioned as carrier of the bubonic plague; also "lice" were listed in the bible as being one of the sources of plague; if you research, you will find throughout the ages people were deathly afraid of scabies because of the pathogens they were known to carry. The following link (same web) goes on to describe other worms (and their lifecycles) domestic animals typically carry. The vet we used to go to said animal worms are species specific and not capable of cross infection to human; I know much better than he this does not always hold true. www.wbvc.bc.ca/external.htmwww.wbvc.bc.ca/internal.htmNow thinking about getting my hands on some Drontal Plus for human use, as we do not really know if this scourge is a trematode or nematode (praziquantel treats trematodes--tapeworm, pyrantel treats several nematodes--hookworm, pinworm--but not Strongyloides, and not sure about febantel, but why not!) Drontal Plus allwormer for cats and dogs. Drontal® Plus contains a combination of praziquantel, pyrantel pamoate and febantel. I, too, believe I was previously exposed to other parasites from vectors such as animals or other, but this last has been the most insidious and dreadful experience. Insidious because I didn't realize until too late that things can creep into your skin to take hold of your body; dreadful because of the exponential multiplication factor of the beasts. I also know without a doubt this is systemic in the bloodstream (my bull's eye target is very near many lymph nodes between the underarm and breast). We treated repeatedly for scabies (house, bodies, car, work, etc.), vacuumed, cleaned, performed (and still do) mountains and mountains of laundry--but it would never go away. After a couple of months, the terrible rash (and beasts) in my neck migrated to my chest and then abdomen--by the thousands or millions--I could feel the migration subcutaneously or possibly in the blood by then. The worst thing was that all the doctors and even my husband and kids thought I was a nutcase. Later I found out a fellow girl scout family from my daughter's school also had contracted something like it--they threw out everything and bought all new mattresses, but still obviously have it (easier to discern, once you are clued in). In the beginning, I used benzalkonium chloride (the active ingredient in Lysol--funny name, isn't it, though could be based on the word "lye"--and other cleaners), but used too much or too strong and "burned" my neck. Then I read that honey can help heal burns, so used cotton to gauze my neck with Manuka honey from New Zealand. The honey has hydrogen peroxide in it, also the Manuka is a relative of the Tea Tree, but not as strong in the honey. It really helped to heal the burn, and at same time would draw the things out of my neck into the cotton. My neck healed, but I still have a few residual freckles and know they are not really completely gone, just vastly reduced in population. The memory is still nightmare fresh in my mind--did not want to think about it for a long time, so kept it away. Does anyone else have freckles or moles where the creatures enter the body? I now have multitudes and know at least some contain the pathogen beneath. On first entry of the "nit" from my daughter's lice, it immediately flattened to become what looked like a freckle. On her second bout with lice (despite permethrin, over the counter remedies, holistic remedies, and even ghastly malathion--which smells like gasoline--used sparingly), as I was again combing her hair, another "nit" buried itself into her tummy and also turned into a freckle. Now every freckle and mole on both of our bodies are suspect to be harboring something from a science fiction movie beneath. The black specs and black fiber balls are the worst for me now, along with fluke-like things that morph in my skin. I am very scared they are going to enter my brain--already claimed my eyes and ears, now the jaw area, which makes me feel very disfigured, as it is more noticeable and not easy to hide on my face. Sugar feeds these things, by the way (they have a polysaccharide sheath coating that thrives from it), so best to steer clear (try telling that to a 9 year old in the midst of the sugar smack era!). On another note, the way I look at it, the government just doesn't want to admit anything could possibly be going wrong, and this also extends over to the CDC, the AMA, and all of its doctors. They don't know what it is, therefore it doesn't exist. Kind of like saying things are going well over in Iraq and that we had valid reason to invade. They think if they say it long enough, people will just start believing it. I will keep posted as to how the ParaZapper works out for me--by the way, is constructed on the same principle of Raymond Rife's machine (but probably not as effective, as it is only a miniature battery operated version). Good nite, Spunky
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Post by SpecueLatin on Jul 15, 2005 7:44:43 GMT -5
Hello Spunky,
I checked out those links. Doesn't seem to indicate that the flea tapeworm would remain in the skin lesion/nodule of a human from that resource.
I went through my files yesterday looking for things to re-post due to the lost pages from Fall 2004 thru June 2005. I will have to get a bunch of that reposted, but it will take awhile. If they ever confiscate my computer they will have a case for DOP that is for sure!
I assume you are here in the States. There is one pet hookworm that does cause humans trouble in the skin, and is an important source of cutaneous larva migrans. Do you think You have tracks? It is the Anyclostom Brazilliense. I have a microscope of its mouth from my personal collection. I think the vinegar was very annoying to it in the tracks, but the Ivermectin (I took stromectol for humans) and topical application of the pet wormer called D-worm seems to have helped a lot.
There is much more to talk about in your post! I need to get going soon.
I took the Ivermectin (Stromectol) on May 1. I have seen alot of the inch long tracks make substantial improvement. I do believe since I have a scope of it's mouth, and have seen these type of track heal, that this was a problem for me. This type of varmint (A. brazilliense) is not thought to be able to bore down through the lower epidermis and become systemic. It is thought to stay at the skin level. Since much of these were on my upper arm, I do think I need to get the cats treated, probably pyrantel. Working on this.
ONE LITTLE THING I WANT TO CLARIFY from your post:
PRAZIQUANTEL KILLS BOTH "tapeworm" which are CESTODES and "blood flukes" which are TREMATODES. I wasn't sure if your post was clear about that. The Schistosoma is a Trematode.
I don't know about the moles, but I have read something about the HYPERPIGMENTATION that seems to be creating a "freckle". I will look for this later and get back.
Sorry you are having such a miserable time with this. Have you been tested yet for Lyme, and are you starting up any treatment for it, either way?
Your account on the other thread about the influence of Osmotic pressure was very good! I especially liked the raisin analogy.
See you later, spec
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Post by Spunky on Jul 15, 2005 8:46:03 GMT -5
Hi Spec,
No, I don't believe the Morgellons is from tapeworm, but just posted the link (thought you had asked for the vet diagram, which I don't have) to demonstrate how this worm lifecycle occurs in dogs.
The vets and docs all assure me there is no contraction for humans, but if other mammals contract in this way, undoubtedly humans could contract parasites in similar manner from other arthropods.
I believe there is more than one vector for Morgellons. Forgot to mention the people my daughter spent the night with the week before she contracted head lice also had a bird--apparently she played with it extensively and it "walked" all over her.
So, if head lice was not the vector, the exposure was to more than one population of "varmint", and the bird is the other likely candidate.
I have had 3 sinus infections over the past several months for which I took Augmentin--antibiotics seem to cause temporary improvement. I think I will order the Praziquantel, but may wait to see how the Zapper does and also if the Naturopath has another recommendation, first.
Best, Spunky
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Post by SpecueLatin on Jul 16, 2005 4:52:13 GMT -5
Hi Spunky,
Sorry it is taking me so long to get everything posted back to you.
Yes, I sure did ask for a link, thankyou for looking one up. I have something that clings and/or grows around the edge of a lesion, it is absolutely not a Nematode. So this idea of a tapeworm that could be spit out be a flea seemed like something to look at.
It looks way too much like an organism ,but there is that chance it could be a viral growth of a wart. The warts have an ability to tap our blood supply by drawing into themselves tiny blood vessels. When the wart is removed, the blood vessels will bleed a lot. This does correlate to my experience. These things often appear to have our little blood vessels within. The fact that they bleed a lot, is similar to the facts about parasites, when they are removed can cause a stream of blood too, but that is because they injected the victim with an anticoagulent to make the blood flow nice and freely.
I have to get my specimen pics posted. Again. I wish I knew of a photo service that I really liked. I have been using Albumtown but there are a few things that don't work right on it and I get frustrated when I can't adjust it.
Speaking of naturopathic, I may be repeating myself, but I used the product WRM CLEAR from the feed and grain. The reaction told me this was one hint that I could find success with Praziquantel. It contains some of the ingredients found made for humans as a dewormer.
check out praniw 's newest article #3.
The bird connection I find very interesting with your story. The bird things aren't really suppose to get into us and thrive.
I am so sorry that your daughter had this exposure. I do think the answers will be found, and not in the next century either.
As member Marabelle once said, Onward, plod!
Will talk again.
spec
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Post by Spunky on Jul 18, 2005 6:54:24 GMT -5
Hi Spec, I just checked out the other Lyme board and found a connection with belief the problem is caused by Strongyloides. www.toxicworm.comIt makes sense that a biting arthopod or other insect (blood feeding) could inject a worm parasite into the body. The worms coexist symbiotically with bacteria and/or fungi, hence the introduction of other type infections. Also, I noticed some time ago that warts are similar to miniature tumors in that they develop their own blood supply (angiogenesis), just as tumors do. I actually believe a wart develops where a worm parasite has entered the body. I developed a plantar wart a few years ago and now believe this was one entry point, possibly not for this particular worm type. Raymond Rife's cancer treatment with the ultimate Zap machine demonstrates the connection between parasite and cancer. If I am ever found to be with tumor, you can better believe that I will never go for the traditional treatments!!! I will try Hulda Clark's regimen to eliminate toxins--hoping my mini Zapper will also bring help--should arrive in a couple of days. For Strongyloides, they recommended the one with the hand and foot paddles to have more points of exposure for the frequency. I am also trying to find some Ching-Hao (aka Artemisin or sweet wormwood, used traditionally to treat Malaria--mosquito vectored pathogen), as I believe this would help to expel them. I had found a link to purchase Artemisin or Artemisinin, but only in pill form--originally really wanted to try the genuine herb. I contacted a Chinese herbal shop in my area, but they said they don't carry it. Thanks for the tip on the Miconazole nitrate--I am using it on my jaw. Next to the Neosporin cream with pain relief for the nail eggs---not sure if I will be able to eradicate all of them from the environment, but will give it a try. I would much prefer to obtain treatment from a scientist, rather than an MD, as they are much more connected to determining the actual pathogen(s) at work. Fingers crossed for the MD/ND; my appointment is on August 12. Will keep you posted. Best, Spunky
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Post by susiebelle on Jul 18, 2005 16:34:03 GMT -5
Hi Spec, Just read your post on the hobbies thread and I can relate to alot of it. I to devoted my life to my sons which has paid off, but I like you looked forward to the midlife years to be able to enjoy the sense of accomplishment and focus more on me. I sure didn't plan on my health to be the focal point. I didn't go to college because I was in love with my highschool sweetheart so I got a job and got married. I have no regrets and feel so fortunate that I didn't start to become disfuctional until my youngest was 16. My heart goes out to the parents of small children on this board. I wasn't a single mother but my mom was and she too was determined like you. She is 80 now and I feel so bad that I don't feel like doing more for her. We have a community college here and if I get well I would like to get associate degree in interior decorating. My older son is getting married in April so that will give me an extra incentive. His fiance's parent's are from Yuma AZ. Is that close to you? My younger got his BA in accounting at University of Illinois. I know that is a tough degree so I don't know how you manage to do it. He didn't work so was able to focus only on classes.(and partying) He has worked full time at a firm here and got his MBA at a univ 10 miles from here. Now he wants to go to Chicago and maybe go to law school for corporate law. I told him he had better never defend any corporate crooks like the ones in the news lately. Thanks for all of your efforts. Update on my progress: The things came out around in front of my neck right above the collar bone. My sternum and ribs are no longer tender and that started many years ago so hopefully I'm on the right track. I still can't concentrate and don't have any energy. Maybe I need Victoreah's glyconutrients. SB
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