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Post by bugged1 on Jul 15, 2005 3:05:24 GMT -5
The second day I was on Tetracycline I woke up with a terrible headache and my ears were ringing pretty bad. Thought maybe the tetra was causing it but apparently that's the HERX that I'm supposed to be hoping for according to the Marshall protocol which even pointed out brain fog and dizziness that I'd have and did have. I really thought I was losing it that day but that is expected IF you get the big die-off of bacteria. Since then things have been much better and I'm optimistic for a change!
Keep the faith peeps - I swear I'm gonna knock this beeeeeeeyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch OUT!
Chemist G
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Post by Jeff on Jul 15, 2005 8:35:55 GMT -5
So I guess I want to time my kill-everything protocol so that the Tetra starts on a Friday, and assume that I won't be diving that weekend.
After all that we've been through, I'll be amazed but pleasantly so, if something so cheap and relatively safe can be effective long term.
Just wish I could understand the black specks and their relationship (if any) to the bacteria. Maybe my reactions to the different meds I'm going to try will shed some light.
What is HERX? That's when you feel worse short term because something's working, I think? Can I talk you into describing it in more detail, especially with regard to timing and duration before improvement? Did the stingers or sores and such get worse, or was it only the fog and things like you described?
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Post by bugged1 on Jul 15, 2005 12:42:34 GMT -5
Jeff, See #9 for Herx explanation: autoimmunityresearch.org/phase1.pdfStingers got better ever since I've been on the meds - what gets bad is the brain fog, dizzyness and headaches. Crawling got worse too but you get over that in a few days. It's funny that the Marshall Protocol calls for minocycline - a derivative of tetracycline so there is no coincidence as to my success so far. The other key seems to be avoiding vitamin D and using Benicar which basically allows the immune system to function normally and kill off the pathogenic bacteria on it's own. I think a lot of failures reported here have been because the patient was relying on the antibiotic alone to cure their Morgs. Now I don't think that will be the case unless you go with an all out blitz like the Schwartz Protocol (septra alone won't do it, need the avalox or cipro). Based upon this newfound knowledge, I think your best bet would be to try the Schwartz Protocol FIRST and then revert back to the Marshall Protocol for a more long-term solution if the blitz doesn't come thru. I've only had mild symptoms (no large lesions since the initial onset) so I'm hopeful this quick dosing of tetra will be enough for me. Good Luck, Chemist G
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Post by Jeff on Jul 15, 2005 12:56:50 GMT -5
I think your advice is good on this - Starting with the blitz. Get the most effect, expecially since tetra is not as brutal and can be used for maintenance or pulsing if this fails.
Unfortunately, that will delay the process, since I have to obtain the Cipro yet. I'll just start the dae next weekend and lengthen the time lag between starting that and starting the antibiotics a bit.
Maybe I can run a six-day 500 mg test of Zithro to figure out of it does anything at all next weekend, since I have some. I couldn't find any reports of it being tried, so at least that will give us some limited data.
Is your case less severe because it is a more recent onset (I've had mine for a couple years, and the crawlies and stingers don't dominate as much as they used to - still there - but about half as bad as they once were - it seems like those are your main problems, as they were for me about a year and a half ago)?
Has anyone posted the Marshall protocol?
I'll work on revising my proposed attack this weekend.
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Post by bugged1 on Jul 15, 2005 13:31:24 GMT -5
I've only had this for 5 months so yeah - recent onset. Do the lesions come later on for most or did you have them from the start?
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Post by Hope on Jul 15, 2005 13:33:43 GMT -5
The Marshall Protocol was posted a while back but I think it got lost during the update. Why don't you start a thread on it?
I have bad reactions to tetracycline, feels like I've been poisoned when I take it. Took Minocycline too and that was even worse because I couldn't function at all. What's an alternative?
Good luck to both of you guys!
Peace, Hope
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Post by Jeff on Jul 15, 2005 14:03:19 GMT -5
Hope,
Chemist will correct me if I'm wrong, but if you can't do either of those, the whole class of drugs is probably out for you. Might have to go to a different class.
Speaking of which, give me about 2 or three weeks, and I'll tell you if the zithro did anything. That's a short-termer, though.
How are you doing on the ones you are taking now? Are you holding up alright? Is your condition getting any better?
Chem,
Yeah, my main problem for the first six months were millions of black dots all over me, my clothing, and everything. The stingers and crawlies, especially at night, were pretty unbearable. As time went on, I ended up trading these symptoms for others. Now, it's like I described to you on an earlier thread. Lesions form, and the black dots (I don't think they are the same as the black dots that caused the initial outbreak, but they could be) come out, embed in the surrounding areas, and cause all sorts of problems. Still some stingers and crawlies, especially, like today, when it's humid out and right after a thunderstorm. I'm hoping you get this thing killed now, so you don't have to find out.
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Post by Orion*** on Jul 15, 2005 15:39:54 GMT -5
So I guess I want to time my kill-everything protocol so that the Tetra starts on a Friday, and assume that I won't be diving that weekend. After all that we've been through, I'll be amazed but pleasantly so, if something so cheap and relatively safe can be effective long term. Just wish I could understand the black specks and their relationship (if any) to the bacteria. Maybe my reactions to the different meds I'm going to try will shed some light. What is HERX? That's when you feel worse short term because something's working, I think? Can I talk you into describing it in more detail, especially with regard to timing and duration before improvement? Did the stingers or sores and such get worse, or was it only the fog and things like you described? ========== My suspicions are that the black specks (seeds) are the precusor to the filliments,,,these feed on the bacteria, the bacteria feed in fats and lymp, It is wise to concentrate on the bacteria..as without them the filiments starve
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Post by Jeff on Jul 15, 2005 15:47:11 GMT -5
I forgot to add, for the sake of data: 5 days of Keflex 500 mg 2X/day (taken for a swollen salivary gland (turned out to be stones, and not infection)) did absolutely nothing.
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Post by ruth on Jul 15, 2005 16:31:24 GMT -5
jeff, be careful, hold off. i've ordered the book. it should tell if the bacteria eats the cipro. i think that was one of the abx. schwartz said it eats. candida as well. he mentioned 2-3 abx. that feed it.
when i do get a yeast infection, i'll know i'm on the decline of this disease!! i wondered how i was on abx. about 2 years without getting a yeast infection. my daughter always gets yeast if she takes abx. for longer than a week.
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Post by bugged1 on Jul 15, 2005 21:21:52 GMT -5
The Marshall Protocol was posted a while back but I think it got lost during the update. Why don't you start a thread on it? I have bad reactions to tetracycline, feels like I've been poisoned when I take it. Took Minocycline too and that was even worse because I couldn't function at all. What's an alternative? Good luck to both of you guys! Peace, Hope Hi Hope, Well the Marshall Protocol is pretty tough to swallow - no sunlight and no fish pretty much rules me out, not to mention phase 1 takes like 3 months! Great theoretical concepts that seem to work tho! I can tell you there is solid science behind it. If you really want to get into it all go here: www.marshallprotocol.com/What were your symptoms when on tetracycline? Sure it wasn't a herx? If that's not gonna fly for you then Dr. Schwartz's deal is your ticket. The thing I really like about that is it relies on a knockout blow, not pulsing for months like the Marshall gig. I truly believe the key to the Schwartz gig tho is the fluoroquinolone group of antibiotics (Cipro - first generation, Avelox - 2nd). Those antibiotics typically don't need pulsing - they're the closest thing to an actual bactericide (and not a bacteriastat) out there. And Ruth, trust me, if this bacteria eats/feeds on Cipro, then we all might as well just put a gun to our heads now! I could see it feeding on penecillin derivitives like the Keflex Jeff mentioned but not a full synthetic like a fluoroquinolone. One thing is for certain - Orion is right: Attack the bacteria and you break the chain. I do believe some of you have advanced stages with possible fungi, collembola, worms, or other parasitic organisms but all I see on this forum is fretting over these and peeps losing their minds over trying to figure out what they are and how they got it. NONE of that is important peeps! What is important is getting healthy and that starts with the bottom of the food chain - eliminating the bacteria. WE WILL BEAT THIS! WE WILL GET HEALTHY! G
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Post by bugged1 on Jul 15, 2005 23:51:00 GMT -5
So I guess I want to time my kill-everything protocol so that the Tetra starts on a Friday, and assume that I won't be diving that weekend. After all that we've been through, I'll be amazed but pleasantly so, if something so cheap and relatively safe can be effective long term. Just wish I could understand the black specks and their relationship (if any) to the bacteria. Maybe my reactions to the different meds I'm going to try will shed some light. What is HERX? That's when you feel worse short term because something's working, I think? Can I talk you into describing it in more detail, especially with regard to timing and duration before improvement? Did the stingers or sores and such get worse, or was it only the fog and things like you described? ========== My suspicions are that the black specks (seeds) are the precusor to the filliments,,,these feed on the bacteria, the bacteria feed in fats and lymp, It is wise to concentrate on the bacteria..as without them the filiments starve Well I've reviewed the Marin report where they diagnose the fibers... and the black specks (when viewed with an ESM - electron scanning microscope) are balled up black fibers. Orion was right. And they do NOT stain (all known fungi would pick up the stain) so no one knows what the hell they are yet! Which is part of the problem for getting this disease classified as an actual disease.
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