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Post by shot duck on Jul 14, 2005 21:52:26 GMT -5
Now that swartz has decided to sell something relating to this illness some have tagged him as a fraud and a profiter...Do somebody have to give his time away for free to be legit? after all he is a board certified MD..and can easily make $200 dollars an hour just by showing up for work...He is charging $25 bucks for his book and not charging shipping..It takes him at least 5 min or more to package and label the shipment..another 5 to endorse the check and put it on the deposit slip.another $5 in shipping cost...It took him months to write the book..so lets not even try to count that cost...small quanity publishing is expensive per unit..probably at least $10 bucks...And there is what maybe 100 at most regualar posters on the board...More like 10....ok so lets do the math...10 min time at $200 dollars and hour...that is..about $34..plus 10 bucks in publishing cost..plus $5 dollars shipping that equals $49 dollars to make $25..and that doesnt even count driving to the post office..which being a small dude ill bet that what he does..sounds like a financial loss to me...but guess since hes makes money he is automatilly bad right...what is your time worth..so should his be free....is that what he went to 12 years of school for...
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Post by ANTHILL on Jul 14, 2005 23:06:26 GMT -5
Mmmmm---more controversy kind makes me feel like I am on a high school debate team Raw" raw"If that Swartz guy be doing his job he's a good guy and I will kiss his butt wail giggling incessantly and I will stand in line to do it also to get his treatment Oh' god I just got a picture in my mind and I've got to say I got real grossed out!! -----I'm done my life has become a soap opera Jeff ---please help me I'm in hell"
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Post by frisk on Jul 15, 2005 0:43:11 GMT -5
Im gonna buy his book! Im also hoping Penny will write hers soon- the more the better :DFrisky
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Post by linda on Jul 15, 2005 0:48:09 GMT -5
Part of what frustrates me with the whole Schwartz issue is your either or mentality. Either one is with Schwartz or one is against him and is doomed to die an early death. Well, I have to admit I need a bit more convincing when it comes the the SM theory. I don't recall that he had an explanation about why Morgellons patients keep coming up positive for Lyme, and I know he has evaded the questions of other people (Dr. Martin) who have also conducted research in this area.
In order to make him seem "legit" in my mind he would, at the very least, have to
1. be working with a medical research group to establish his theories. Has there been any research supporting the claims he makes?
2. not be meeting patients in hotel rooms, unaccompanied by other medical personnel (referring to the friend of Victoreah who met Schwartz under bizarre, unprofessional sounding circumstances).
3. be consulting with others in search of a better understanding of this disease. Has he talked to Mary Leito? Ginger Savely? etc.
4. be more of a doctor and less of a capitalist. Yes, I am saying that financial gain cannot be his ultimate goal IF HE IS GOING TO BE PERCEIVED AS BEING LEGIT. In this day and age, we are all weary of people who prey on the sick and desperate for financial gain. We'd be stupid not to be, thank you very much. The irony is, from the way people describe his physical demeanor, HE EVEN LOOKS LIKE A WOLF!
I have not given up on Schwartz's theories, but I ain't gonna buy them until I have been presented with the whole verifiable picture. He knows how to do it or he wouldn't have a PhD; the question is: is he doing it? I hope that in his book we may find answers to some of these questions. You see Jeff/duck, if Schwartz can prove his theories, then we will be able to replicate them. The CDC would have to acknowledge Morgellons as a physical disease then.
Take Care, Linda
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Post by SpecueLatin on Jul 15, 2005 8:00:41 GMT -5
Linda has a First Class point there!
If the doctor can prove his theory, there is a way (for the parents especially) to get help. You can't give your kids a lot of stuff we adults are trying out, without exposing them to risk. Even with prescription drugs, without a script, the parent would be in trouble too.
It is critical that the claim be substantiated. Keep on Linda.
Spec
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Post by Me on Jul 15, 2005 8:50:07 GMT -5
If scwartz can get a grant from NIH or NSF he would be more reputable
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Post by Guest on Jul 15, 2005 8:51:04 GMT -5
Let's hope the answers to all your questions are in his book. If he gave those answers away freely, there would no need for the book. I'll wait and see what is in this book before I hang the guy.....but watch out if he's not for real!
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Post by guest on Jul 15, 2005 12:03:17 GMT -5
For real, he has to support himself somehow. he couldn't be a good doctor and live in a cardboard box and freeze todeath. he is a docter and docters have to publish their work in books or in journals or magazines.
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Post by eec on Jul 16, 2005 22:22:45 GMT -5
it seems the biggest doubters--- are the also the worst suffers and i have been reading their posts for quite some time--- they also seem to be easily agitated
the CDC and FDA do not recognize bowen--(our lyme test researchers) none of the NIH/NIDIH type groups want to study the morgelleons diseease
i read this board more for the humor of the posts from the Doubters Of Protocol--the new DOPs
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Post by to eec on Jul 16, 2005 23:50:12 GMT -5
wow you have been around at least as long as I have..I remeber you from the days of the chinese nematode discovery from the university of shanghi on nuspa.. more and more as time goes along im also am beginning to see things as they are...it seems the biggest doubters--- are the also the worst suffers..I agree..the most nastiest..angry at the world poeple are the same ones that cant seem to shake this curse..the others are no longer here or at nuspa...over at nuspa they still talk about every bug on the planet..or is it chemtrails..do you remeber when EVERYBODY was convinced it was some chinese namatode...I can tell you the wondering is over with the swartz book...there is and never was a mystery bug...there is no mystery bug....what we have has always been around in cancer pateints and cystic fibrosis pateints...but doctors had failed to recognize it had spread to lyme and diabetics..and other more mild form of immune suppression...it is a opportunistic infection
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Post by linda on Jul 17, 2005 1:24:26 GMT -5
It sounds like your saying, chinese nematode yesterday, Schwartz theory today. What will it be tomorrow? If it makes ya'll feel better to refer to me as a b i t c h, so be it. At least I won't be a fool. Also, how do you determine who is or is not the worst sufferer? I certainly don't consider myself the worst sufferer, but I am very determined to understand and rid my family of this varmant once and for all.
Am I alone in my hesitancy to jump on the Schwartz bandwagon? Mary Leiteo told me that the doctors she had spoken with do not believe that the SM bacteria behaves in the manner Schwartz claims. I'm not saying Schwartz is wrong--I really don't know. But anybody who puts out such claims and begins treating people based on those claims should have something to back them up. As I stated before, I hope we find it in this book. Still, a more appropriate place for him to scientificially put forth his theories would be in a medical journal. If he is correct, and if he really wants to help us, to publish his findings in a medical journal would be the greatest benefit to us. So, why hasn't he?
eec, I'd be surprised if I was the only person who found some of what you say offensive and rude.
Kisses, Linda
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Post by ruth on Jul 17, 2005 9:08:57 GMT -5
i believe this is a compounded system. i've treated for lyme and 'morgellons' and am still in treatment. at the end i'll have a live blood analysis done.
i just wanted to share that there does not appear to be one panacea to this compounded, complicated disease.
find out what has been released by the biocontrol programs in your area. it's horrific.
take down one pathogen at a time.
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