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Post by fritolay66 on Apr 14, 2010 20:53:03 GMT -5
Jeany wrote,
I am confused. I thought you sent in a petri that was identified as candida? Perhaps the infection didn't show symptoms until well after the antibiotics. It does take some time to develop overt systemic symptoms.
Waldenflo,
Uh, I think perhaps there has been a misunderstanding. NAC, and cysteine are correlated with candida growth.
I don't think it is quite understood yet as to whether "whopping" amounts of vitamin C mitigate this effect. I believe that is one of the answers we are currently seeking as well as other ways to detoxify the mycotoxins.
I am rather fatigued today, perhaps it is me that isn't understanding? There for making me a raving lunatic? ;D
Frito
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Post by bannanny on Apr 14, 2010 21:39:33 GMT -5
I remember you suggesting Pau D'arco to me jeany. But since you were confirmed to have Candida, I guess it hasn't helped you to get a hand on that right? Course I don't know if you're still taking it or not... and actaully don't really know what's what with any of what's being said on this thread! There's just too much fog in my head for any of it to get thru! I'm really confused now with everything that's been posted here, but then I'm a dummy when it comes to all this stuff!
As for the Niacin, I can't take it either... it actually makes me faint. It did when I was in my 20's and that was it for me... I haven't taken it since. I heard it can cause you to pass out but can't remember why, duh!
I go off and on the NAC (and everything else I take) but when I do take it, I always take one NAC along with 2 1000 mg. of Vit C at the same time. That's what Grady's protocol suggests, so I do it that way. But are you guys saying we should stay away from the NAC now, or only if we have Candida?
I'll tell you what I've been doing with all my supplements the past few months or so... like I said, I've been going off and on, taking certain things for a week, then I stop altogether for a week, then start on something entirely different the next week, and so on and so on. I have so many things in my "supplement cupboard" that I decided to make use of them and start doing what I just explained I'm doing. All I can say is I haven't had a nightmare cycle in 3 months now. I think I might just be doing somewhat of a shock and awe to morgs by switching things up every other week (and taking nothing at all for the week in between.) I'm not sure if I actually am shock and awing the little suckers, but I'm feeling better than I have in a very long time!
hugs ~~ bannannas
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Post by Jill on Apr 14, 2010 22:05:45 GMT -5
Hey Bannanny, it's not you- the thread is taking lots of turns but some very important issues- such as the NAC have been discussed.
I've been thinking I may quit taking the L-glutamine and the NAC for a while. Frito and the other ladies have presented some great information on the NAC as relates to Candida albicans and that was the actual topic of the thread. Pathogenic Candida Albicans. New abstract on page 1-
Ruth posted that CA does horizontal gene transfer and I hope we see more about that tomorrow.
Glad to read that you are feeling better! That can only get all the better in St Croix.
Thanks for the pictures. Lovely! What a view you have.
Jill
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Post by jeany on Apr 15, 2010 7:13:58 GMT -5
Jeany wrote, I am confused. I thought you sent in a petri that was identified as candida? Perhaps the infection didn't show symptoms until well after the antibiotics. It does take some time to develop overt systemic symptoms. I remember you suggesting Pau D'arco to me jeany. But since you were confirmed to have Candida, I guess it hasn't helped you to get a hand on that right? Course I don't know if you're still taking it or not... and actaully don't really know what's what with any of what's being said on this thread! There's just too much fog in my head for any of it to get thru! I'm really confused now with everything that's been posted here, but then I'm a dummy when it comes to all this stuff! Sorry, for causing confusement. I should have learned by now to be more precise. I was on antibiotic treatment last year in May. At that time I took Pau D'Arco additionally three times a day, in relative high doses which prevented a yeast overgrowth while on antibiotics. After the treatment I was 100% symptom free and was all summer. That was the time where I mentioned it towards you, Bannanny. Then, in August I probably got re-infected by a wasp sting while mowing the yard, because about a month later, in September, I had symptoms again. Unfortunately, I also stopped taking Pau D'Arco among other supplements due to the costs and that I thought I'm ok which I was before that darn wasp stung me! In November I sent my saliva sample in which was tested positive for CA, but that was after I got re-infected again and stopped taking Pau D'Arco. So, according to my first experience with Pau D'Arco and that it prevented a yeast infection and that I really felt better after all, I truly think it's beneficial fighting against CA among other pathogens. Hope I was able to clarify. Jeany btw..your pictures are wonderful, Bannanny and I hope you'll have lots of fun in St.Croix too!..yeah!..swim with the dolphins!
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Post by jeany on Apr 15, 2010 8:15:58 GMT -5
Treating the yeast infection, to my mind, should be the 1st priority. Jill Every thing that was said on this thread pertains to the statement above, or not?
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Post by Jill on Apr 15, 2010 9:39:15 GMT -5
Treating the yeast infection, to my mind, should be the 1st priority. Jill Every thing that was said on this thread pertains to the statement above, or not? I made no issue about the topics discussed on this thread Jeany. In fact, as I mentioned to Bannanny, "very important issues- such as the NAC have been discussed." Bannanny stated that: "I'm really confused now with everything that's been posted here, but then I'm a dummy when it comes to all this stuff!" so I tried to bring the focus to her attention to: The Pathogenic Candida Albicans. The abstract on page 1 is KEY, IMO: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20080646 The Rtt109 and the 2 co-factors: Asf1 and Vps75 I do not know if traditional meds will treat the Rtt109 et al. The abstract mentions the discovery will bring forth new "therapeutic anti-fungal compounds", and it is my hope that happens soon. Because I have used Molybdenum over the past 7 years and Moly is one of the few things that does flush the toxins caused by the yeast/sugar/fungal process - chiefly Acetaldehyde (aldehydes)- out of the body, I have to wonder if we will need to go a different route with the C albicans and other pathogenic yeasts? My point is that the Moly seems to be the one thing that I have been doing that most others have not and my symptoms are minimal in comparison to other sufferers. I have no lesions- only joint/muscle pain. Osteo and Fibro symptoms. IOW- Lyme symptoms. Also, Ruth posted about some very important issues. Wild Birds with Multi-drug resistant yeasts. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20307325 Now you know that most wild birds are not drinking beer and eating bread as the yeast source so that leaves the environment. Air. Any study of the Pathogenic Yeasts should include a study of what, exactly, is in our air. That would most likely take us to the yeast/sugar fuels- www.bio-catalyst.com/2010/02/12/biofuels-nirvana-the-ideal-biofuels-process/Read about: Cyanobacteria used as energy source to produce and excrete sugars and cellulose to produce fuel - ethanol Also- note that they are using corn in the processes as well This, IMO, is producing the toxins to include acetaldehyde, in our air that creates these toxins www.utexas.edu/news/2008/04/23/biofuel_microbe/Note also that your body is impacted by inhalation of these toxins more so than via diet. more later.... Jill
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Post by jeany on Apr 15, 2010 10:20:11 GMT -5
Ok, Jill. ..excellent research btw... Biofuel is a big 'issue' over here in Germany. It's mostly made out of rape plants which farmers plant all over to sell to bio fuel companies. Lots of farmers use it in their tractors and some people even get their cars 'fixed' to use it. They think it's good for the environment and they're saying money on top of it. ha!..I was wondering, Jill, the bees are highly attracted to those rape plants, if there is possilby a connection to the bee die offs too? Jeany
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Post by ruth on Apr 15, 2010 10:29:48 GMT -5
so far i find fusarium, alternaria, aspergillus can all do transfer with candida. i was thinking the transfer was done by agro or psuedomonas but it is looking like candida does it too ec.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/8/11/We propose a hypothesis whereby the ability to produce AAL toxin and to infect a plant could potentially be distributed among A. alternata strains by horizontal transfer of an entire pathogenicity chromosome. This could provide a possible mechanism by which new pathogens arise in nature.
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Post by jeany on Apr 15, 2010 10:31:24 GMT -5
What's in the air is also in the water! Did you read that cyano pyrethrin is used in bio pesticides?
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Post by fritolay66 on Apr 15, 2010 10:38:02 GMT -5
Absolutely. And about the rapeseed oil. Most of it is GMO. To make it more sellable to the public, it was renamed Canola Oil. It is a pollination crop. And I believe it was initially with this particular crop, grown in the US and Canada mainly, in which the bee die off was identified with a pesticide in which was used with these crops. Back to Candida. Frito
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Post by Jill on Apr 15, 2010 10:45:15 GMT -5
Jeany, You ask about the bee die-off as relates to the bio-fuel issue? www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041025123121.htmIntoxicated Honey Bees May Clue Scientists Into Drunken Human Behavior In the above, you read about the experiment with the bees. They were given high concentrations of ethanol- 50,75 and 100 percent of the bees spent a majority of the observations period on their backs, unable to stand per the article. Could do more harm that that? Continued exposure to the bio-fuel seems a likely answer to the bee die-off. psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Bees_and_toxic_chemicalsFair use Excerpt: Bees can suffer serious effects from toxic chemicals in their environment. This includes various synthetic chemicals, such as insecticides and fertilizers, as well as a variety of naturally-occurring chemicals from plants, such as ethanol resulting from the fermentation of organic material. Bee intoxication can result from exposure to ethanol from fermented nectar, ripe fruits, and manmade and natural chemicals in the environment.[1][2]end excerpt In the article below is a part of the problem- nitrogen www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22301669/
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Post by Jill on Apr 15, 2010 10:51:46 GMT -5
Absolutely. And about the rapeseed oil. Most of it is GMO. To make it more sellable to the public, it was renamed Canola Oil. It is a pollination crop. And I believe it was initially with this particular crop, grown in the US and Canada mainly, in which the bee die off was identified with a pesticide in which was used with these crops. Back to Candida. Frito Thanks for this Frito- I'm going through the cupboards and pitching any Canola. Jill
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Post by jeany on Apr 15, 2010 10:52:42 GMT -5
Well..there you go! Thanks Frito and Jill. I'm not sure if the rape seed plants are GMO though..hmm..Perhaps we should look at it under the scope?..or ask a local farmer what kind of pesticide they are using?
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Post by Jill on Apr 15, 2010 11:20:58 GMT -5
Jeany, Canola (rape seed) has been genetically modified: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food Ruth, I am looking for any abstracts that would link the fusarium, alternaria and aspergillus you mention to the Rtt109 and Asf1 and Vps75 co factors. Somehow I believe that could answer questions for us? Hopefully in the area of Horizontal Chromosome Transfer ? Per your post, we see that Candida/s can, indeed, transfer not only horizontal but also interkingdom: eprints.nuim.ie/1463/ Thank you for your wonderful input. Outstanding information. Jill
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Post by ruth on Apr 15, 2010 11:57:18 GMT -5
i did read the urls on the bees and the biofuels. so many ways for this stuff to happen. pesticides and what is in the air is in the water. what about the candida? so maybe birds, field mice, animals that harbor candida, pee on a plant....... or eat part of a plant (getting their saliva on the plant) the candida attaches onto a plant with asco type fungi mixing their dna.............then we get the plant juices into a cut during gardening and as we have candida (usually in check in the body), the door opens to that now mixed candida/fungal pathogen from our environment to infect us? i don't remember in phase I candida listed as in the water supply. i'll go look again to confirm. DOES THIS MAKE SENSE OR NOT? I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND zoonic is from animals, right? look at the amount of cow yards that could be excreting candida and noone has looked?? (didn't mycobacteria allow horizontal transfer?) i have a myco test out right now, i'll know next week if it is in my mix). where is the candida from in the wild birds? when they drop a load and it lands on a plant or the ground will the candida seek out fungi to continue their existance and if we (bad haplotype) touch it we become infected if we are in an autointoxication state? www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-177297471.htmlIn a review of the evolution of virulence genes in fungi [14], the authors speculate that HGT is important in their origin in different pathogenic species, and may facilitate the emergence of new pathogens
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Post by ruth on Apr 15, 2010 12:28:07 GMT -5
msucares.com/poultry/diseases/disfungi.htmMoniliasis is transmitted by ingestion of the causative organism in infected feed, water or environment. Unsanitary and unclean water troughs are an excellent reservoir of the Candida organism. The disease does not however, spread directly from bird to bird. The organism grows especially well on corn, so infection can be introduced by feeding moldy feed. .
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Post by Jill on Apr 15, 2010 12:34:35 GMT -5
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Post by ruth on Apr 15, 2010 13:05:02 GMT -5
hi jill, i have to get to work. we need to find studies of candida species mold on corn, if you have the time today. ;D timeline of when cattle started getting the candida mastitis and poultry candida from the moldy corn. yes, corn as biofuels related to pollution? cross reference to when gm corn appeared? you pull up such good info ;D i'll check this thread this evening. make it a good day
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Post by Jill on Apr 15, 2010 13:41:49 GMT -5
Hey Ruth,
You have a good day at work! I hope all goes well for you.
I have overstayed my allotted time online today- have to get some errands done.
You know- I think we have it nailed as to source. Now to figure a way to treat and survive re-infection.
Hazmat suits? Respirators?
Maybe we can get a group deal?
Jill
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Post by jeany on Apr 15, 2010 16:33:42 GMT -5
In the USA, yes, but...here in Germany/Bavaria too? Do you know?
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