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Post by itchin4answers on May 1, 2011 17:23:54 GMT -5
That floor was washed with bleach Saturday, it's now Monday morning. See the hairs on the floor? are they soaking up the pink goo?
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Post by toni on May 1, 2011 17:29:04 GMT -5
Oh Itchin,
That doesn't look good. *as you know*
I looked at that site again that Mr Friedman had helped you with, and he said that when there's flooding of water, or constant moisture (something like that) that one can expect to have other species present too.
I sure wouldn't know if that's that same "species" that was there before, it almost has the same stemmy construction as the other, but this one seems different because the other mold you had was brown to begin with.
Mold can only grow if there's moisture or water. Once all water is removed, it dies. Is there moisture or water getting on the floor somehow?
I'm not sure what your flooring is made of, is it carpet or linoleum, because in the other pictures (featured on that site) it appears that it's bendable.
Those really might still have spores on them, and if so, any water at all, even a few drops will allow it to kick off in it's growth.
The "only" good about seeing this, is it's letting you know and beware, mold still is lurking.
Because the problems most people have is "not knowing" it's there, and they keep becoming sick and more sick.
But this "screams" something is lurking, and desperately needs attention, as there might be more "under the rest of the flooring" and even in the walls.
I know this is the last thing you need to deal with, but it sure isn't going away till it's completely rid of, and the area is kept as dry as a bone.
I'm sure feeling for you, cause this is going to be a major job getting it "gone".
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Post by toni on May 1, 2011 17:35:37 GMT -5
Just saw the next two of your posts. That pink watery stuff is just "juice from it". Ick juice I call it.
Many fungi ooze all kinds of goo or juice. Yucko...
Plants or fungus are incredibly "durable" in that it's like they just grow no matter what is applied. Bleach doesn't always work - imho, which is why I had suggested using (diatomaceous earth) as that is the only thing I know of that sucks the life right out of "any cells" be it plant or fungus or anything really.
But...if moisture becomes present...then any spore that's left behind is all it will take for it to take off and grow again.
Maybe this is in the mushroom family. I don't know. Sort of seems like it since it grew overnight.
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Post by itchin4answers on May 1, 2011 17:43:20 GMT -5
Hi toni, thanks so much for your reply. The floor is made of linoleum & it frequently gets wet. We're moving in 2 months & I just don't know *right now* how to address this problem. I'm more concerned about William at present, he is constantly sick, we're seeing the doctor this morning. Again - thank you itchin
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Post by toni on May 1, 2011 17:45:52 GMT -5
If this were happening to me, I'd mask up, and remove the entire flooring, and find out where the water is coming from first. Remedy that, then no more moisture for anything to take root.
Then I'd tear out all the flooring.
Then I'd cover the entire base/floor with diatomaceous earth. Allow that to sit powdered and covered all over for at least a week or even two weeks.
Then place a painters plastic drop cloth (plastic though) all over the entire flooring of now being diatomaceous earth. That way, it will dehydrate and totally kill anything living.
Even put some plywood over the plastic drop cloth (just for the sake of walking in there and not slipping on the plastic) - plus you don't want to walk on the plastic drop cloth and rumple it all up (with the diatomaceous earth) all over it anyways.
Then vacuum up (in 1-2 weeks) all the dried out dead fungus and the diatomaceous earth - you might want to rent a commercial vac for that, because it will clog a regular home vacuum.
Then put in new flooring. Good thing is if you rent your landlord needs to see this - and foot the bill.
I personally believe it all needs torn out, find the problem, fix the problem and new clean flooring done.
I'd be afraid living with what's "lurking", because this is proof it's still there, and much more probably.
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Post by toni on May 1, 2011 17:53:36 GMT -5
Hi toni, thanks so much for your reply. The floor is made of linoleum & it frequently gets wet. We're moving in 2 months & I just don't know *right now* how to address this problem. I'm more concerned about William at present, he is constantly sick, we're seeing the doctor this morning. Again - thank you itchin Hi Itchin, Can I ask how the floor is frequently getting wet? And I'm so sorry William is so sick. Yes, mold can cause the most horrible health problems by just getting airborne spores into the lungs. And since you're moving, maybe get some "painters large plastic drops cloths..they're really not "cloth/fabric" they are huge plastic or even use cut open "Glad Bags", and first put diatomaceous earth down on the floor, then the bag or plastic - [glow=red,2,300]BUT the most important thing is to "make sure you put plywood ontop of the plastic. Otherwise someone will break their neck on that plastic, and the plywood is inexpensive, plus it will hold the plastic ontop of that diatomaceous earth without allowing it to not move around.[/glow] Plywood can be walked on easily too. Maybe get a bathmat with a water proof backside for walking on after one gets out of the tub. (this can help you just get through the next couple of months) if you're leaving. I'd not leave that flooring "exposed" though, because that's screaming "what you don't see" can hurt you. Because there's lots more that doesn't meet the eye going on under that linoleum. Do you have a Home Base there? They also have huge pieces of this "sort of like plywood" but it's actually a plastic, and you can walk on it easily as it's not slick and it's very strong. We used these 4 foot by 8 foot pieces we got at Home Depot and it's 1/2" thick I think it is for "a toy race track we have" - in our "game room" as we do have fun racing our cars, but....my point is, I walk across that all the time and so does Mr Toni and they hold the weight fine, even ontop of carpeting where there's cushion, which could cause something to crack, but...it doesn't because it's that strong. And it can be "cut to any size you need" too. Plus it's only like 20 bucks a sheet which the sheets are 4 feet by 8 feet. That way, "no slipping on the plastic that's covering the D.E." and you'll have a stable flooring (for a very temporary) use till you move. And the best part is, no airborne spores is anyone breathing. Because they are there, since the fungi keeps returning out in the open like it is.
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Post by sheredelight on May 1, 2011 18:21:33 GMT -5
AAAAaaahhhhhh!!!!!!!! Oh My Gosh, Itchin. Your bathroom's been taken over by fungus. A good dose of bleach should knock it on the head..Never seen anything like that before....glad your moving. Hugs kas xx
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Post by itchin4answers on May 1, 2011 19:55:04 GMT -5
AAAAaaahhhhhh!!!!!!!! Oh My Gosh, Itchin. Your bathroom's been taken over by fungus. A good dose of bleach should knock it on the head..Never seen anything like that before....glad your moving. Hugs kas xx Thanks kas, actually I think the darn thing is feeding off the bleach. I wrote to the owner of inspectadia.com, he got straight back to me, this is what he said; I don't recognize this fungus but it looks like a coral like or polypore mushroom family members. It also looks as if it is growin on the surface of resilient vinyl flooring though I understand growth could be coming through flooring if it is damaged. Because of the wet conditions and leaks that probably produced this growth, the hazard from this particular fungus could be less significant than other molds that you cannot see.
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Post by itchin4answers on May 1, 2011 20:21:31 GMT -5
Something just occurred to me; I have coral (from the great barrier reef) on the window ledge in the bathroom. I don't suppose...I just don't know
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Post by justhanginin on May 2, 2011 0:08:38 GMT -5
Dear Itchin, Would it be possible for you to re-locate? Since you don't own the place that might be the best solution for everybody's health. I got sick with this after staying in a place in Florida that was apparently moldy. Didn't know that at the time or I would not have stayed there.
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Post by itchin4answers on May 2, 2011 3:38:39 GMT -5
Dear Itchin, Would it be possible for you to re-locate? Since you don't own the place that might be the best solution for everybody's health. I got sick with this after staying in a place in Florida that was apparently moldy. Didn't know that at the time or I would not have stayed there. Hi justhanginin, yes it is possible for us to relocate. We were planning to move in 2 months, but we're now trying to make things happen a bit quicker. I too know how bad mold is, I rented a place on my own over 10yrs ago, became very sick from the mold & that kicked Morgellons right into gear. We can't wait to get out of this house, though we still have the worry of our little boy who isn't well, but we've seen the doctor today. Wheels are in motion to see a Paediatrician & try to nail down what's happening to him. Thanks for caring itchin
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Post by toni on May 2, 2011 7:13:18 GMT -5
Something just occurred to me; I have coral (from the great barrier reef) on the window ledge in the bathroom. I don't suppose...I just don't know The words "coral like" that he used is only a description on how it grows in the formation, but hasn't anything to do with "coral". It's just that it grows "upright"as this particular fungi does. Sort of like the "word feathery like". Doesn't mean it's from birds, as it's only a description in it's formation. The clavarioid fungi are a group of fungi in the Basidiomycota typically having erect, simple or branched basidiocarps (fruit bodies) that are formed on the ground, on decaying vegetation, or on dead wood. They are colloquially called club fungi and coral fungi. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_fungus
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Post by bannanny on May 2, 2011 14:36:59 GMT -5
Nasty pictures itchin!!!! I sure am glad you're gettin outta there... and I know once you do your little one will improve greatly!! Got you in my prayers hon...
big hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by itchin4answers on May 2, 2011 17:43:36 GMT -5
Hi guys, Thanks for your comments, yeah I was flippin out a bit yesterday morning, have calmed down now. toni, to answer your question about the floor frequently getting wet - that happens when my son, William is in the bath. The floor covering is NOT & NEVER has been an adequate wet area. I've had 2 homes built before so I know what should be beneath the floor & how it should be sealed. I do very much like your suggestions, thank you & I will do my best! I sent another photo to inspectapedia.com after putting a plastic bowl over the structures for 4 hours they changed colour. It is the stemonitis species; (scroll down page for second photo) inspectapedia.com/sickhouse/Rental_Unit_Mold_4.htmAnyway, as it says on the link - it's what we can't see that IS the problem. I'm not gonna worry about this anymore, it's wearing me down. Thanks again Love - itchin
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Post by ctbarb on May 4, 2011 14:13:53 GMT -5
Itchin, I, too am sorry for the lack of knowledge of some folks, or their lack of caring for others health. This builder should know that this is unacceptable practice to put the SAME covering back on the floor, in fact, the floorboards should be replaced as well! I wouldn't be purchasing anything he builds! There is another avenue you might take tho...hope it applies in Au. If you can locate on the local council web where all contractors/builders have to file their permit numbers...you can file a complaint directly with that agency! I would also paint a nice little (or not so little) biohazard sign on the back of the house where HE can SEE it all the time! When he complains, tell him you didn't have time to put one on your front door yet! ;D This puts in prospective purchasers minds that he may be including shoddy business practices in the buildings that he is now building! It will also alert the Building Department that he may not be following code too! Just a thought....since he's obviously NOT thinking of you and your family! Go Get Him, CTBarb
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Post by itchin4answers on May 5, 2011 0:30:49 GMT -5
Itchin, I, too am sorry for the lack of knowledge of some folks, or their lack of caring for others health. This builder should know that this is unacceptable practice to put the SAME covering back on the floor, in fact, the floorboards should be replaced as well! I wouldn't be purchasing anything he builds! There is another avenue you might take tho...hope it applies in Au. If you can locate on the local council web where all contractors/builders have to file their permit numbers...you can file a complaint directly with that agency! I would also paint a nice little (or not so little) biohazard sign on the back of the house where HE can SEE it all the time! When he complains, tell him you didn't have time to put one on your front door yet! ;D This puts in prospective purchasers minds that he may be including shoddy business practices in the buildings that he is now building! It will also alert the Building Department that he may not be following code too! Just a thought....since he's obviously NOT thinking of you and your family! Go Get Him, CTBarb Hello CTBarb, thank you for your lovely post. On reflection: I often would think of revenge on the psychiatric community & then I realized it would get me absolutely no where, other than further into my rabbit hole. Don't you worry, I have thought revenge on this person, but not in a murderous way - like shaking my fist in his face screaming "my child is sick!" - I know I can't totally blame him, though his house does have a BIG part in my son's health problems. With regards to putting up signs on your home if other people upset you. I once did this, under the advice of a police officer. I was indecently assaulted in my home by an elderly neighbor. I had an intervention order taken out on him. The police man told me to sticky tape the intervention order to the front window for all the other neighbors in the block of units to see & doing so would help empower me since I was a victim. I took the police officers advice - I did feel empowered! Unfortunately a couple of days later I received a legal document threatening to take action if I didn't remove the intervention order as it was very distressing to the elderly man & since our court case was still pending it would be in my best interest to do as he advises, otherwise legal action would be taken on me! So, I've decided against the biohazard sign! Thanks - itchin
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Post by ctbarb on May 6, 2011 10:12:31 GMT -5
Oh Boy! My Bad!!! Just hope you and your family are out of there ASAP! Nothing good will come of it except to be gone from that place! Good luck to you! Blessings, CTBarb
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Post by itchin4answers on May 9, 2011 21:59:36 GMT -5
Oh Boy! My Bad!!! Just hope you and your family are out of there ASAP! Nothing good will come of it except to be gone from that place! Good luck to you! Blessings, CTBarb Thank you CTBarb, unfortunately we're still living here, no choice right now. Our estate agent has now taken our case seriously & has been doing some research. She discovered that there are only 2 mold companies in Melbourne & they don't do inspections just clean up. They tried to tell her our problem was condensation. She has been in touch with a person in Adelaide, I think he's a Mycologist, hopefully I will know more later today when she gets back to me. Of interest the 2 companies in Melbourne who do the mold clean up said that bleach is literally a food source to mold
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Post by ibzahp on May 9, 2011 22:47:36 GMT -5
bleach is not a food source to mold. Have had a couple mycology courses in college (its been awhile) but bleach is one thing that kills most molds.
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Post by itchin4answers on May 9, 2011 23:15:13 GMT -5
bleach is not a food source to mold. Have had a couple mycology courses in college (its been awhile) but bleach is one thing that kills most molds. That's what I thought. The estate agent said they suggested vinegar - I said I was cleaning with vinegar prior to these growths. Hearing back from her today can't come quick enough. I'm fed up. I have never had ear trouble this bad, my eyes hurt & the Chlorsig drops are having a hard time doing their job. Thanks for the info. itchin
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