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Post by bannanny on Jul 2, 2011 9:00:28 GMT -5
Oh how I wish I could tell you what to do to make it all stop freakers... but I just don't know what that would be. But maybe the Papaya Enzymes will help... I've been taking them for about 3 weeks now and I haven't had a bad cycle yet. Tom's aunt told me about them... we weren't talking morgs, but she did tell me she gives them to her rabbits to break down the protein in the hairballs they swallow. So I thought to myself... hmmmmm, maybe they'll break down the morg protein too. They come in chewable (and very yummy) tablets too. So give them a shot honey pie... ya never know, they might make you feel a whole lot better. I'm praying for you all thru the day too... and I know God is listening. Hang in there sis... I truly believe prayers are answered!!!
I love you so big ~~ nanners
P.S. Yep... get that sleep too, I know it'll help!!!
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Post by toni on Jul 2, 2011 9:16:53 GMT -5
Ah, did you see that commercial for the Heartguard on the 1st page? It was so cute. This little girl is holding a little puppy whose licking her, and its tongue is going back, & forth. I sat her for 2 minutes, & started falling asleep. Therefore I'll just get right to the point. HELP ME PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's truly pathetic of me not to know the solution to my PAIN PROBLEM, but maybe I'm in too much pain to be thinking right now. I just don't know what to do, although I bet a couple of you have had this happen, certainly so. If I already told you this, this is just a review. This is an all over body nightmare, but I'll just narrow it down to my knees to simplify things. Dang though, my arms are killing me, and my back. Remember I said it was caused by morg build-up, plus the white gook? There seems to be so much of this stuff that it makes the skin hang down, firstly stretching my skin to accommodate the large morgs. It's like when a morg rises to the surface on your face, and it burns with pain until you get it out. Can anyone relate? It seems that there are so many morgs, one lying on top of the other, that when I'm lying down, my bones, and muscles squish the morgs, and cause the worst pain, I can barely take it. I'm afraid this is so bizarre that y'all can barely believe me. Not being scientific about this is embarrassing, but explaining why I am in intense horrible hideous pain is up the scientist's alley. One good thing is my husband remembered , he had bought a machine that blows air up his nose to help him not snore so bad. l found this fresh air mask to be of some value, plus more pain pills,, but it's still not enough relief. This is so bad, I've even screamed walking up the stairs, or when I move my leg wrong in the shower, etc. If I don't post this now, it's going to disappear. Big hugs, freaky If I was confusing, What will stop the pain? My knees are swollen, and all full of lumps. I put milk, & flour on them, & out came the white, & wormy stuff that's in my face. I'm very sorry you're in such pain. Here's something safe you can try and I really believe it will help. Warm up a plastic bowl or glass bowl that you won't use again with 2% milk (about a quart of it). Sit down on a shower seat in the shower, or sit in a dry (unplugged bath tub). Take a wash cloth, continually emersing it in the warmed milk, and lay that on your knee (address one knee at a time). Keep allowing that warm milk soaked wash cloth to just sit on your knee till it feels better, then do the next knee. It could take several hours of doing this, but "I know what you're going through" not that I have this in my knee, but that white "gook stuff you mention" OH do I know what you mean, as that's the way I get it out of my face. Milk compresses, it works, but it takes time. Better yet, would be if you had a way to emerse your legs in warmed milk. But...that would be the most expensive bath anyone had because it takes gallons and gallons of milk to be able to sit in enough of it to cover the areas needing attention.
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Post by pdidit on Jul 2, 2011 9:45:18 GMT -5
Hi Freaky
I too am so sorry about your pain--can relate to the burning pain when this stuff comes out of your skin. Had some localized last week and yikes...to have it all over? Unbearable thought. Think at least one of these pathogens / fungus? have a nasty toxin / chemical that it produces.
Let us know about the milk Freaky--haven't tried that one Toni! But what I keep hearing over and over from people who have gotten better, is that they are having luck with doing things that help detox these toxins out--i.e. chlorophyll liquid or powder 3x per day [maybe work up to this], lemon juice in water with cayenne pepper which helps with circulation [think you might have tried that one?], herbal cleansers and internal enzymes --yeah, like the papaya ones Bannanny mentioned are good too. These are just the first things that come to mind. I have been doing this and going slowly, adding other laxatives to keep things moving until I can get some continuity because even some detoxing products can block me up if going too fast. Think because so many organs are involved here that need to be cleansed at once.
I feel for you--the way you describe your pain, it almost seems like the infection is not only in your tissue, but perhaps your bone??? My guess is, that your lymphatic system is blocked up too, which helps to fight infection but to also get rid of these toxins. I have had that going on as well...I have to do a bit more research on that one and get back to you.
Well, keep the faith--we will all help you get to the bottom of this!
Love Pdidit
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Post by kammy on Jul 2, 2011 18:21:27 GMT -5
Freaky, since you're in the drift of the oilspill toxins - have you thought about getting tested for those? There's a company in Louisiana, I think, that does it? Does anyone know the name of the lab?
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Post by freaky on Jul 3, 2011 3:07:10 GMT -5
Oh kam, you freakydeaky. Were OK here in Austin. Looks like my puter is starting to flip out. I'm probably going to have to write tomorrow. I appreciate your concern. NTWorry, I'm just happy Obama (Please excuse you liberal, Obama lovers)( not you kam, don't know what you are, & don't care, as Long as I don't know) (I'm not a republican, so quit your mumbling) (not directed toward you kam) just happy he went for a little swim, & acted so cocky when he did. He get his. Excuse me for dragging in politics. Not the time or place for that, that's for sure. So what were we talking about. Tomorrow. Talk to you tomorrow. All is good. '
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Post by freaky on Jul 3, 2011 3:17:44 GMT -5
Oh, y'all, thanks for writing, & all your suggestions. I'm going to bed now. Last night was hideous.Did I already write that, but today I haven't had an attack since this morning. We got in late. Bill decided I needed to move around so we went to look at furniture, & rugs. We're doing a new do. I was fine, so I'm glad I'm on my way up. What do you mean Tony, a glass, or plastic bow I'll never use again? My bottom is peach pink, & very clean unless I'm having an attack. Hope I can write tomorrow, but if we do family, might not, but thanks for all the suggestions. You have been so great, & I don't feel better , but the pain attacks are goine, and that was the worst. I can just tell when my puter is about to delete everything I wrote. Giant hugs, & dead bugs Oh, I found a bug, most likely columbola. I'm becoming more advanced. Where's skizit? sssssssssskkkkiiizzzzzzzzzzzzzittttt, where are you?
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Post by bannanny on Jul 3, 2011 14:53:29 GMT -5
Glad you're feeling a little better pain wise anyway freakers. I so worry about you... but I know you're very strong inside and can fight this thing real good! Just wanted to tell you mostly that I love you and think about you all the time, hoping you'll kick morgs butt good!!
big hugs ~~ nanners
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Post by kammy on Jul 8, 2011 12:17:38 GMT -5
Pdidit is running around and asked me to post to you, Freaky and everyone, it could be VERY IMPORTANT information:
"I have a protozoa in my blood--start on malerone [sp?] an antimalarial drug tomorrow...I really think Freaky should get this test, since some of the protozoas can cause narcolepsy. Fry labs tested my blood and found lots of biofilm too. So maybe we all have this?"
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Post by toni on Jul 8, 2011 13:19:16 GMT -5
Kammy,
I'm glad I saw this. REALLY??? Do they know "what kind"? And "biofilm"? Was it bacterial or do they know?
Thank you VERY much for posting this.
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Post by justhanginin on Jul 8, 2011 19:15:13 GMT -5
Dear Freaky and Kammy, the creatures that you described Kammy are exactly what I baited out of my face and neck nine years ago. They produced a second generation within three weeks and the way I got them out the second time was painful but very effective. If you can stand it Freaky, try holding a piece of warm red meat near the active spots and if it is the same creature it will slither out of your pores and reach for the meat. Try this sitting in the tub or shower so that they fall onto the porcelain. This is a real "Twilight Zone" experience but if it works you will be halfway rid of the critters. I still think they were a cat parasite that latched onto my Morgy body and felt at home enough to reproduce until I drove them out.
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Post by pdidit on Jul 8, 2011 19:27:00 GMT -5
Kammy, I'm glad I saw this. REALLY??? Do they know "what kind"? And "biofilm"? Was it bacterial or do they know? Thank you VERY much for posting this. Hi Toni and everyone- I am so sorry you missed this info...I will give you the links to read about this and also the radio show that was first posted by Mr. Commonsense. I don't know why morgellonsfocusonhealth wouldn't have put out an 'all points bulletin' about this for all to listen in on, since their site hosted a radio interview with Dr. Fry. But I remember coming here and was going to list the radio show time etc...but then remember seeing a major thread about it, posting the same info. I can't find it now??? Seems when you do a search here now, you can only use words of 4 or more...so FRY doesn't cut it and brings up nothing. Maybe we should do another thread, since not enough people picked up on it? Maybe Anthill would know ? Here was a post a while back where I made reference to the thread/info: "...Are you treating yourself with anything? I think that the Fry Labs finding a protozoan infection in the blood of lyme and morg patients is a huge break through and am trying to get some testing done there, with a follow up treatment. I believe he recommended low dose antibiotics, which I had been doing on my own anyway, but ran out of antibiotics....and btw, Dr. Fry believes this protozoa is carrying a biofilm...This could be one of the missing pieces here that C. and ionic silver [which is one of my choices for natural antibiotics], might not be able to take care of.
I don't believe they will take phone calls, but if you can get a doctor on board with you to get the blood work done, it might be well worth your efforts." lymebusters.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=rash&thread=14849&page=1#167555BTW, there is no name for it because it is apparently a new species...probably GMO or natural evolution--trying to keep an open mind here. I know I have posted more about it because I too thought it was a major find and was very excited... I save posts that I feel are important for this reason because often, I can never find it again! Here some other info I saved: "..I am thinking /hoping that this protozoan is perhaps the reason why nothing else had worked to rid this biofilm and insect infestation from me and therefore, my environment...so perhaps it will help those of you who are in the same boat..i.e tried everything and nothing worked to totally eradicate it; since from my experience, some things would work but not enough to get rid them totally from me and dismantle their reproduction cycle --and I believe some protozoa can be airborne! I have tried EVERYTHING, you name it and it would work for a while, then stop...with exception to lysol. I have tried dettol, borax, botanicals etc., in my environment and on me and these helped initially, then failed to work for long term relief.
Here is the info for all to share...please spread the word! Below is the link to what Fry labs describes on their site about their discoveries and below that is also the link to the blog talk radio to hear Dr. Fry's interview. I found just the first part of this interview the most informative, since toward the end not many people who called in got their questions answered. He made it quite clear he would not treat or diagnose via a talk radio blog.
morgellonsfocusonhealth.com/fry_laboratories_llc here is the audio-- www.blogtalkradio.com/pamcrane/2011/05/19/1-step-blood-test-discovers-protozoa-under-biofilm-structure?sms_ss=email&at_xt=4dd6203db4259bdf,0
I think you have to get a doctor on board to order the tests for you...am in the process right now. Metametrix labs had found I had an intestinal protozoa and yeast of unknown origin back some 3 years ago, [but I wasn't really treated other than a two week treatment with Alinia and then diflucan]. Maybe there are blood parasites of the same nature involved as well. Tis what I aim to find out. At least we all have something tangible to work with here..."All said, I am not sure that we all have this but it sure seems to fit into the puzzle if you ask me. I will keep everyone posted about the Malarone drug I am supposed to take. I got very little info from my Lyme doctor--a phone consult that was cut short. But I will find out more details when I see him next and see the lab results for myself. For one, I am confused because I don't remember Dr. Fry on the radio interview say anything about Malarone yet this is what he told my Lyme doctor that was working the best with his patients...from what I remember, Dr. Fry on the radio show only talked about the tetracycline/ clindamycin type of drugs but maybe I missed something there. Malarone is for malaria, but is often prescribed for lyme patients too with secondary protozoan diseases. Well hope this helps and will keep you posted. Also am going to post on Skizit's thread about the case of Mayo Clinic / CDC and no insects being involved. I have some photos that I am going to post there that some might find interesting--some compelling evidence that I think is to the contrary. Love Pdidit
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Post by scandi on Jul 8, 2011 23:43:52 GMT -5
Good luck with the malorne. The lyme drs in germany put me on malaria pills also called quensyl dunno if they are similar.
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Post by Administration on Jul 9, 2011 7:23:25 GMT -5
Pdidit is running around and asked me to post to you, Freaky and everyone, it could be VERY IMPORTANT information: "I have a protozoa in my blood--start on malerone [sp?] an antimalarial drug tomorrow...I really think Freaky should get this test, since some of the protozoas can cause narcolepsy. Fry labs tested my blood and found lots of biofilm too. So maybe we all have this?" Really" narcolepsy? I don't fall asleep when I'm moving around doing stuff but if I sit down and not doing anything I fall asleep at the drop of a hat everytime --and all since morgellons started never use to fall asleep like this before morgellons The weird thing about it is just before I fall completely asleep and I am still awake I find myself slipping to a deep substantial dream
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Post by toni on Jul 9, 2011 10:01:15 GMT -5
Hi Pdidit, Thank you for explaining more. I thought it was you who'd had your blood tested. I see now it's Mr Commonsense. Thank you for posting the info.
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Post by Lynn on Jul 9, 2011 10:54:32 GMT -5
Hi Ant and all other
I too fall asleep or use to at all stop signs and stop lights. I had to struggle to stay awake while driving. Extra vitamin B-100s help big big time. One with breakfeast and one with lunch. Now I only have some days whare I fight to stay awake when watching t.v. which is usually around dinner time.
In Light Lynn
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Post by sheredelight on Jul 10, 2011 2:26:15 GMT -5
pdidit,
Great info, thanks..gonna be a tast sensation....omg
Poor Mans Start on a Mini - Biofilm Cleanse
∞ One day a week make a pitcher of organic lemon juice (maybe 3 lemons or 4), Agave Nectar or Maple syrup to taste (don’t over do it) and approximately 3 to 4 cayenne capsules. Drink this throughout the day. While doing this you might want to go on a mini fast for just that day eating fruits and vegetables. ∞ Five days a week, take ¼ cup Dr. Braggs Vinegar and 1 tsp. baking soda in a cup of water. Use good bottled water (spring) and use only aluminum free baking soda from the health food store. For what it’s worth this has been the work we have been doing. It is our prayer that each of you soon will be well and we will all be doing the happy dance together. Thank you my dear friends for the privilege to serve and I hope this will bless you. Pamela M. Crane Pamela@morgellonsfocus.com Brainy info. Provided by Nancy Guberti nancy@coachforhealthyliving.com On Vinegars and Sweeteners Apple cider vinegar which is actually benefecial for promoting good bacteria as well. Organic apple cider vinegar is an exception to the rule about avoiding vinegars. The organic version that contains the mother (a cloudy looking substance in the vinegar) can be very healthy. Bragg’s Apple Cider Vinegar is a popular brand available at many health food stores for a reasonable price. What to look for when buying apple cider vinegar: • Unfiltered – Some bottles are labeled “filtered,” while the kind we recommend is labeled “unfiltered.” • Unpasteurized – Unpasteurized apple cider vinegar contains the “mother” of the vinegar (a natural sediment with pectin, trace minerals, beneficial bacteria and enzymes), which you can see floating at the bottom of the bottle. • Organic – choosing apple cider vinegar made with organic apples is a great way to maximize the minerals and minimize your exposure to pesticides. Apple cider vinegar is rich in potassium and helps to re-establish a healthy inner ecosystem, your key to strength and immunity.
A healthy inner ecosystem is made up of the friendly microflora (good bacteria and yeast) that act as your internal health team of sorts. They aid your digestion and help you get the nutrients you need to stay healthy. Unfortunately, most Americans today have an imbalanced inner ecosystem. Best option is no sweetener whatsoever.
Here is conflicting information on many sweeteners. Listen to your body. If you feel bloated and more Morgellons issues then discontinue no matter what the data provides. Stevia does not feed yeast. It has to be plain stevia like one from NOW in the bottle, not the package since it contains maltodextrin as then it will feed yeast.Many contain FOS and other ingredients.
Some patients do not do well with steiva as they experience headaches and nausea. Steviol’s molecular structure resembles a steroid and the effects are unknown.
Some of the benefits of stevia: • It has a long history of safe use as an herbal sweetener, and as an antifungal, anti-inflammatory, and antibiotic agent. • It helps balance the pancreas, which is quite often compromised in people with candida. • It is recommended for diabetics and for people with hypoglycemia. • It regulates the digestive tract and greatly increases energy. Sorbitol, mannitol, and xylitol are all sugar alcohols. They fall under the category of indigestible carbs and sugars, and so allow companies to label things ‘sugar free’, even though they are providing nutrition to the bacteria that live in your digestive tract. Maple syrup has a similar biochemical effect as raw, unpasteurized honey and is recommended with the drink if one will be fasting for the day to provide depleted nutrients. Maple syrup contains zinc, manganese, potassium and calcium aand trace amouns of amino acids. Agave is derived from a plant found mainly in Mexico and contains a sweet, sticky juice that is fifty percent fructose. Sugar is a simple carbohydrate made up of fructose, and glucose. These two simple sugars join to create sucrose.
While sucrose is found naturally in plants and fruits, the refining process required to make granulated sugar (including cane, raw, or brown sugar) is what makes it bad for consumption. Xylitol (another viewpoint) Also healthy and natural, xylitol sweetener is extracted from birch cellulose. Xylitol does not feed candida and has these benefits: • It has been clinically proven to fight dental cavities, and to facilitate the remineralization of dental enamel. • It tastes similar to sugar, with 40% fewer calories. • It helps stabilize blood sugar.
Lo Han Lo Han, another natural sweetener that does not feed candida, is extracted from the Lo Han Guo fruit, which is a member of the gourd family. Here are some benefits of Lo Han: • It is 250-400 times sweeter than sugar. • Is calorie free. • Like Stevia and xylitol, it is safe for diabetics and hypoglycemics. • It is used as a medicinal herb in Southern China, and for treating coughs and sore throats.
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Post by pdidit on Jul 10, 2011 14:13:33 GMT -5
Hi Sheredelight Thanks for reminding me of this! I did read this on Pam's site a while back and felt it good info. But I also got confused as there was this underlying factor in a 'stinger' florescent type tiny insect ? that I found everywhere in our outside and inside environments, including coming from my body. This is what stings and bites my ears, which is an indicator to me that I am near a nest. After many trials, I found this is killed ONLY upon exposure to acids. So after months of drinking lemon water and cayenne drops, chlorophyll etc., I now alternate with acids like these liquid minerals with fulvic acid and/or drinking more coffee believe it or not! Can't say for sure it has made a difference with this insect but I seem to get more die off and things exiting my body, after drinking the fulvic acid at meals, then alkaline drinks and plain ole water in-between. Perhaps if I can rid myself of this one thing that is such a nuisance then I can go back to mostly alkaline. I also have read where most insects are killed by acids [and your skin which is the first line of defense within your immune system, must be on the acidic side]. This too, has confused me since many maintain that they get results with baking soda. While I say this, I understand that a slightly alkaline body is good for overall health. But on the flip side, could it be that some of us don't have enough Hydrochloric acid in our stomachs to break down foods and kill off bacteria and pathogens? I am still trying to figure all this out and have it make sense for my particular situation. So please help shed some light for me...since you have been doing this biofilm cleanse-- can you tell me how it has helped you? Any thoughts on all this? Anyway, here are some excerpts from online sources: "We'll start with the how's of people skin and dog skin. A highly important component of skin is what is called the acid mantle. This is a lightly acidic layer that covers the skin, serving as a barrier to protect the porous topmost layer of the skin, the stratum corneum, from environmental contaminants such as bacteria and viruses. The stratum corneum is responsible for keeping the outer body well hydrated, by absorbing water and not allowing excessive evaporation to occur. When we bathe, using soaps and shampoos, we wash away this layer of acidic oil. This is why most human shampoos and soaps are formulated with moisturizers to replace the protective layer that has been scrubbed away, at least until the skin is able to replenish itself around 12 hours later. If the stratum corneum is left stripped and unprotected, it is open to a host of microorganisms, which may present as dry, flaky skin, irritated, peeling skin, or as a rash of itchy bumps. The acid mantle can also be defined as the relative pH balance of the skin. The pH scale ranges from 0 to 14, with levels less than 6.4 considered high acidity, and levels more than 6.4 considered high alkalinity. The normal range of skin pH levels for humans is 5.2 to 6.2, which means it tends to be on the acidic side, and shampoos and skin products are formulated specifically to maintain this balance. Love Pdidit
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Post by pdidit on Jul 10, 2011 14:20:11 GMT -5
Hi Toni you are welcome, but there seems to be a bit of confusion [with my lyme doctor as well] I will get back to you about this when I know more, but I did in fact have some blood work done by Fry labs and they found biofilm in my blood. Now as to the DNA testing that my lyme doctor was SUPPOSED to order, I am not sure that was done correctly...or that the right lab test was ordered. I am going to try going through Fry labs myself, since I dealt out a whopping 560.00 for this testing to be done. Btw, I just posted my thoughts and photos on Skizit's thread on 'WAS THE CDC AND MAYO CLINIC CORRECT?", if anyone is interested... lymebusters.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=rash&thread=14901&page=1#168910Love Pdidit
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Post by toni on Jul 10, 2011 18:15:24 GMT -5
Hi Toni you are welcome, but there seems to be a bit of confusion [with my lyme doctor as well] I will get back to you about this when I know more, but I did in fact have some blood work done by Fry labs and they found biofilm in my blood. Now as to the DNA testing that my lyme doctor was SUPPOSED to order, I am not sure that was done correctly...or that the right lab test was ordered. I am going to try going through Fry labs myself, since I dealt out a whopping 560.00 for this testing to be done. Btw, I just posted my thoughts and photos on Skizit's thread on 'WAS THE CDC AND MAYO CLINIC CORRECT?", if anyone is interested... lymebusters.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=rash&thread=14901&page=1#168910Love Pdidit Hi Pdidit, iai.asm.org/cgi/content/full/75/5/2612publichealthalert.org/Articles/marybudinger/biofilm.htm(there's many links too on the internet about biofilms in blood) from pathogenic "fungi" for instance. The second link is about Dr. Fry and the biofilms and he says: Biofilm is also in the blood, as well as the gut and on the teeth. I liked how he also compared the "old ways" people use to think that an ulcer was caused by too much acid, when in fact it was a bacterium H Pylori. How (doctors/medicine) was so on the wrong track with that one. Dr. Fry has got the right idea "imho" about biofilms. Medicine is only scratching the surface with how little they know how to eradicate biofilms, which harbor and or hide fungal and bacterial pathogens also. When we think just even about our teeth, how quickly plaque forms (overnight) - here's something about dental plaque from an article: Dental plaque is a type of biofilm, a colony of microorganisms suspended in fluid and mucus, which builds up on the teeth. When left unattended, dental plaque can cause serious oral health problems, and it can eventually develop into tartar, a mineralized form of dental plaque which is very damaging, and very difficult to remove from the teeth. And when we think of all those "pathogenic fungi and bacteria" we're breathing in daily or just exposed to, and how the immune may become compromised, then allowing all sorts of pathogens to take hold, all awhile they're forming their biofilms to protect themselves - it leaves us naked in the world as far as medicines go, because no one really is certain in how to remove them. Years ago, I use to look at "heart disease" the same way too - as (they say) smoking or eating fatty foods caused plaque buildup in the arteries. Well..if we look back at our grandparents for instance - many lived long long lives - and yet they ate (grease) fatty foods like we drink water. I think it's "particular bacterium's" and their biofilms continually depositing layer after layer and allowing particular bacteria's to continue growing, because antibiotics can't penetrate them. And for biofilms to be forming in the blood, I sure hope he can determine which species it is, and then help with how to rid it.
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Post by toni on Jul 10, 2011 18:19:10 GMT -5
Here's some pics on biofilms forming. bacteria-world.com/biofilms.htmlIt actually resembles our "stuff too". The stuff that gets very hard when it dries, and is gooey when it's hydrated.
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