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Post by sheredelight on Aug 1, 2011 18:18:33 GMT -5
if this is not Infectious then how did I get it from helping a friend & her 2 flea infested cats, that had this Disease, this is a fact no fallacy, and why are their more & more people getting it, theorize that away ivanhole, I belonged to 8 different site's for over 5 year's & every single day more & more people came to these site's, say what you will but what I posted was 1st hand experience & in no way irresponsible, answer the question why more people are contracting this for the last 10 year's??, do you know how many site's are on the internet with new people that have been infected, I'm sure their are infectious periods, if some one comes in contact with a bloody open lesion, or have slept in the bed of an infected person, depending on their Immune system & more, play that one down Ivanhole, is it right to say it is not?? then why are more being infected?? .infecting 50 people is surely beyond my thinking & don't think it likely Hi Harry, I agree with you, i think it does depend on your immune system first and then coming into contact with animal's, ( birds, cats, dogs, foxes etc...) and humans with fibers or mites. Thats why i stay away from people, as i don't want to infect anyone. Again i think they have to have a compromised immune system. As my X hubby didn't get this. cheers
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Post by Harry on Aug 1, 2011 19:45:07 GMT -5
if this is not Infectious then how did I get it from helping a friend & her 2 flea infested cats, that had this Disease, this is a fact no fallacy, and why are their more & more people getting it, theorize that away ivanhole, I belonged to 8 different site's for over 5 year's & every single day more & more people came to these site's, say what you will but what I posted was 1st hand experience & in no way irresponsible, answer the question why more people are contracting this for the last 10 year's??, do you know how many site's are on the internet with new people that have been infected, I'm sure their are infectious periods, if some one comes in contact with a bloody open lesion, or have slept in the bed of an infected person, depending on their Immune system & more, play that one down Ivanhole, is it right to say it is not?? then why are more being infected?? .infecting 50 people is surely beyond my thinking & don't think it likely Hi Harry, I agree with you, i think it does depend on your immune system first and then coming into contact with animal's, ( birds, cats, dogs, foxes etc...) and humans with fibers or mites. Thats why i stay away from people, as i don't want to infect anyone. Again i think they have to have a compromised immune system. As my X hubby didn't get this. cheers Hi Shere good to hear from you as well, seems it's a variable thing surely, how long a person had it, was their active bloody lesions, in my case the friend I mention had it for about 3 to 4 weeks give or take, I can understand how some folk don't know how they got it, but I surely do, I'll never forget it, from contact to 1st lesion it took a little more then 5 weeks, think of how many places one could be in that time, could that person really remember how? where or when?, the person I knew already had it and I knew it, had no clue what it was, but sure found out in years to come, so think if some one had it, but you had no clue then what?? hugs shere
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Post by Baraka Obam on Aug 1, 2011 20:10:11 GMT -5
I keep hearing that the husband, B/F does not have it, then I would have to ask, what standard did you use to show they were affliction free, fiber free, inside and out, are fibers the true test. My question has merit, if I did not know what I had for 32 years of my 39 and there was no testing to secure that you have it or don't, what is the standard to measure this. Do we as of yet know any test, are fibers just part of one of our issues and not part of the vector. disease. If you look at the women I was with most show very tiny aspects, some have had this 30 years or so, I can see the issues, then most people would never imagine that these women are in our group. So what makes a person unaffected and what standard shows them free of all of this. I do not like to push the issue but it is more important to understanding this then many imagine, especially when you go to a doctor or scientist and say without proof, I am sick and he/she is not. Then the doctor says, this is not transferable, when there is not even a test to use, the man or woman thought to be issue free later in life will see the results of this imagination. The doctors led astray will be looking down every avenue but the right one. Our symptoms are either related or we are the new and improved hypocondriacs, then it could also be Munchausen syndrome. Interesting reading several years ago this would have been our diagnosis, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchausen_syndrome
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Post by ivanhole on Aug 1, 2011 21:19:40 GMT -5
In the 1980s, people thought aids could be spread by a handshake - - a mindset based on fear not fact. Harry, I am not trying to be disrespectful but, neither you or I know for a fact how we contracted this.
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Post by sheredelight on Aug 1, 2011 21:42:08 GMT -5
OK, well back 12 years ago, i had and still have a friend who's bipolar, and on some heavy meds. Today she is covered in lesions, from head to toe, and so is her dog, and all they do is itch, and if i go around they ,which i have stopped doing, i itch real bad for a month, till i get things under control, its every where in her home as well. So that's one way i could have contracted it.
The other is from rescuing a cat, that had its back leg riped of in a fox trap, now this cat was friendly as, never misbehaved. A year and a half later, its eyes would go black, and you new to run, as it would attack, got that bad that had him put down.
Now i know i can get quite angry sometimes for no reason, to the point if you talked to me i just wouldn't talk back or i'd explode, now i have this in hand. But if this cat had the mites that carry the Lymes side of this......
Guess i will know in a months time, as i get my Lyme results back....
Hugs back Harry:)
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Post by skizit on Aug 2, 2011 12:41:41 GMT -5
Dr. Garth Nicholson told me that he caught Gulf War Syndrome from his daughter. This would indicate to me that the Mycoplasma incognitus is transmissible. He found the is microbe in every Gulf War Syndrome patient. He and his wife and daughter took various antibiotics. If this microbe is also used in Morgellons which I would assume that some virus or mycoplasma is included attached to arthropods or conjugated into proteins and polymers in fibers, hexagons or liposomes or any other carrier, it certainly would be contagious. Then there is the condition of the patient, their immune system, metabolic disorders like obesity, diabetes, pH, the Morgellons materials will be jumpstarted by some metabolic condition. If one person gets an infectious disease and doesn't show symptoms, there may be a time in the future when the opportunistic microbes begin to function or become active. There are so many variables that each case is unique to a group.
The microbe that caused the disease in Joplin MO was studied right away by state authorities. Everyone who has Morgellons needs to report their condition to thestate first and put the burden on them because the CDC won't get involved except through the state. The CDC was involved in developing the arthropod technology. See Dr. Beard.
I have read this protocol of reporting, I just can't find it at the moment but I will run into it again.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Aug 2, 2011 14:56:34 GMT -5
Sizits was I reading that right the CDC helped to develope this makes it seem unlikely they would admit to its existance.
Seeing that others at MDR tested positive for mycoplasma I got tested and yes I did have mycoplasma.
In fact the only testing and I did alot of it, that came up positive was from the results of others on MDR, the doctors never hit a lick.
I actually think the doctor got mad when I was the one getting the positive results from testing,
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Post by violet on Aug 2, 2011 15:28:17 GMT -5
Skiz, please keep on cutting and pasting! You find incredible information.
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Post by skizit on Aug 2, 2011 22:16:49 GMT -5
Okay Violet, The materials get inside the body somehow and the most infective is lung delivery so says the US Army medical doctors. At the basis of many Morgellons infections, there is a biofilm of various bacteria and fungus. One thing lives upon another so when the insects are involved, they are delivered with their own symbiont bacteria and food. How does all that get in the body? Food that has been sprayed with fungus? Fungus is being used as insecticide. I put in the search term "application of viral fungal conjugated polymers to food crops" I looked at all the subjects and chose the one that says "Polymers for DNA Delivery". This article is from 2005 but it shows that non-viral delivery is probably not used and the alternative is conjugated polymers. You can conjugate just about anything with polymers for delivery. This article describes the delivery method as being injected but it also shows once it is injected, it goes to the lung, then it goes to the other organs but primarily the lung. If it has trouble getting out of the lungs, then it would stay in there and the polymers would start growing. Even Phagocytes cannot clear these particles. This would explain some of the X-rays I have seen with polymers growing in them. the polymers are supposed to release the gene changing materials. But if the molecule were too large and it also contained say smaller molecules or polymers containing eggs of various parasites that could cross the epethelial barrier, they could be delivered to the skin and to various types of skin. The end of this article is the most applicable where it talks about in vivo delivery and the problems in that. Aerial delivery and food delivery may be involved but this article is very telling o the process of Polymer delivery of DNA which could also be conjugated with other materials or be preparatory to the delivery of further materials. www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/10/1/34/pdf
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Post by freakydeak on Aug 13, 2011 1:24:39 GMT -5
How could it be they only saw a dark spot on my X-ray, and my C-scan? Do they not know what polymers look like? For shame. I must have one. Ewe, I just noticed I have six lines on each wrist when I bend it to type. Sorry, got side tracked. The nurse said I could have only the doctor's report, but big bad Bill, & I are marching back to the hospital to demand a disk, or copy of the X-ray, & C-scan. I really want to see what they saw to come up with all their conclusions.
Just whining, Debbie Downer
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Post by skizit on Aug 13, 2011 13:46:01 GMT -5
I am anxious to see it too.
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Post by elizabeth67 on Aug 13, 2011 16:51:26 GMT -5
You go get them Freak, You have the right on doctor report incl. x-ray etc.
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Post by nikyf02 on Sept 15, 2011 2:02:08 GMT -5
Hi again, Making the story short ,I do need all your advices, with or without my brain demyelination I believe that most of the doctors are ignorants and I fell as the end of the tunnel is 20 feet away. Please let me know if all this is my imagination or their ignorance. Germany western blot: IgG-negative IgM-positive use 4 genospices for this result. positve bands: p41,OspA, Ospc recommendation: dynamic monitorization.
USA, memorial hospital western blot IGG/IGM - negative <0.91 equivocal 0.91-1.09 positive >1.09 Lyme disease Ab ouant IgM <0.91
now my blood work:estimated GFR>60.00 threshold for chronic kidney disease
Troponim I CKMB 1.0 decision: consistent with myocardial damage.
CRP high sensitive 3.7 notes: cardiovascular and peripheral vascular disease, risk assessment AHA/CDC2003.
brain : hundreds demyelination , MRI x4 in 3 year period.
Skin is broken and many of the ,,animals'' are surfacing, I am on lots of medication, changing them one a mo, but no results. Hospital throw me out, nothing wrong with me and I could not breath or walk...... so on and on. IS this Lyme, Morgellons, or both? I know I was bit twice and got the morgellons maybe, but now I am not sure anymore what exactly happened, I just remembered that I went to emergency room in 2001, 2005 belly pain, 2008, 2009 head and stroke.
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Post by nikyf02 on Sept 15, 2011 2:30:13 GMT -5
Sorry, and 2011 for all medical help I could get , but in Europe, not here, CDC have margins and settle law against this disease, God please have one of them to get it and see then how the law will be changed(is no revenge, is just fair)recently Memorial hosp.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Sept 15, 2011 9:34:35 GMT -5
Let me see, I am Baraka Obam president of the birds and squirrels in my yard. This is the first I have heard of the disease, let me do a search, and see what the CDC say about this parasitic Morgellons disease and these poor people that are tormented. www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=morgellons-disease-parasites-skin-psychiatricThis is quite often what people that look for the word Morgellons, and parasites find. What power does it hold, a researcher from the CDC. The more we yell parasite the longer the facts of the matter will be ignored, fibrous material. If we all had parasites I think we all would have seen IT, as surly that parasite would be the same parasite if it was the cause of the all our symptom disease, if it was one parasite, people would not say, midge, fruit fly, bee, worms, and all kind of sort of manufactured bugs from multiple parts. I think a very good indicator would be the strands of fibers in skin, dung, urine, its even in the eyes. There is no solid proof a parasite is the cause, but there is positive proof that because of possible parasitic invasion we are being labeled DOP. This alone keeps the investigation from starting, thats a fact, because of this, my family would not come withing 10 feet of me, I could actually chase them, they were so scared of worms, bees, flys, getting on them from their reading on line of me being infested and also crazy and digging holes in my body, lets just say it was a hard time to have a family. LOL Could the disease be addressed as an unknown cause disease to allow us to get past being labeled DOP so they can NOT sweep it under the rug for 39 more years ( the length I have had the itching fiber disease. There is nothing in this post that says there are no parasites, there is only something that says there is no proof the disease is caused by parasite, This note is for those that would read and imagine what they want to read and imagine,
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