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Post by Lynn on Aug 19, 2012 15:30:09 GMT -5
Hi Homeworld
I would love to find out if the specks and goo like worms in my pee in the toilet is fiber or not. All my fibers are so small I only find them under a cheap Radioshack hand held scope. 200 x I think is the mag on it.
I think some of use get this growing faster and bigger like you and so you get to spot it also with the equipment you have and the talent for reporting it. I would need lots of help in that area and sense my Morgellons was always so low key I might not be a good subject.
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by Baraka Obam on Aug 19, 2012 15:56:03 GMT -5
How about just a tiny video of these things moving and coming out of the skin, or how about a little video showing where they came from and it would be nice if they are still alive, or like I mentioned, maybe or morgellons are killing them which means we will be bug less by proxy we will not have to lift a finger. I do not have masses of bugs after me, and I check my fluids, blood, excrement, saliva and urine, for such items, why am I special I wonder. Do not get me wrong, I have found A, A as in one live living parasite in my urine, still I have found no more, meaning what, I do not know. This I took the time to find with a camera hooked to my microscope, lots of work PROVING what others just may assume from thoughts. Proving things is intensive work, it takes many many hours and then when your getting a few more ideas there are more questions to answer, If you are lucky and come to some form of convoluted answer there are still questions to be asked of this, all the while someone stands by yelling they know the answer to everything, boy does that make any work you do seem wasted and useless. All the quick easy answers are poo In over three years of staring at what there is to be seen with several microscopes...to a max mag of approx 600x .. enabling me to "see" down to approx one micron objects.. I have observed only one species of bug...and even then only on the skin..despite thoroughly investigating stool, urine, saliva.. and whatever other fluids and secretions I can dredge up. One species..mites..Demodex follicularum..and even then only about 5 specimens total. Thats it. A few wee arachnids located in their normal habitat/feeding zone..facial skin. Nothing notable about this..just about everyone has a few of these ...freeloaders. I do not know what to make of the stories of people constantly finding insects digging/tunneling out of their body...this is a phenomena that I have not yet personally observed. Just as well..I have my "plate" full as it is, thank you very much. *OTOH..I suspect that not everyone has had the experience of having multicolored fiber tangles in their urine...or what looks like micro sized fiber optic cables ....or [relatively]thick wires in the urine and stool. Does everyone have millions of tiny "particles that grow fibers" in their urine? If they have, they are keeping pretty darn quiet about it. Maybe everyone did not get the same "loadout" of "morg weapons". There seems to be quite a bit of "randomness" involved with the expression of this "disease". ** I do not consider all the various permutations of morg fibers and threads to be insect or worm life. There are many people who insist on calling them "worms". I really wish that would stop...if the fibers do not correlate to the established definition of a wurm/annelid/helminth/whatever sort of worm..then do not attach the "worm" tag on them. I have seen entirely too many thousands of fibers grow from the gel that is exuded by some species of bacteria to consider the fibers to have anything to do with the established definitions of insect/bug/wurm..or. There is no insect involved in producing the fibers [transparent "cellulose" fibers or the brightly pigmented ones.] The "fibers" that are circular in cross section and resemble C. pulmoni are a puzzlement. Yes, they resemble C. pulmoni even to their pigmentation..but has anyone proven that they ARE some variant of C. pulmoni? [do not "real" C. pulmoni move? I have never seen one of those [usually C shaped "things"] move..at all. Ever. So much confusion. In the words of the Prophet Pooh: "Oh, Bother!" . I am totally with you homeworld, the fibers are fibers, they do not move or grasp but will grow out of the amber mess, they are in the urine but many many more are in the poo. A tiny dap of crap on a tooth pick put onto a slide will show large amounts of the mess at hand. I do not believe many of these people have microscopes and if they do they assign the name bud to any material that may look like a strand. You do not need 600 X to view the fibers it is very easy to view them with 100x on the microscope. Literally I feel I have been beat down from continuing doing any comparison of anything with anyone because many just keep yelling bug when it is quite obvious this is a fibrous itching disease. I really do not give a hoot any more about finding anything as there are those that keep with the bug stories that produce nothing at all. There are some things we could do like check the fiber count in our daily urine and excrement. It would be nice to know how the count is changed by the things that make us feel better. If lets say we alkalies our blood does the fiber count change, does it change the count in any of our fluids, do those counts go way up, suggesting die off or destruction of the issue. Homeworld if you have a phone number and would like to chat PM that number to me and I will call you, maybe we can compare notes.
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Post by scabdraggr on Aug 19, 2012 20:12:37 GMT -5
HW,once again you stated bacteria.I am so hoping that you are correct,however the evidence says otherwise.I would like to have an open debate about the bacteria having things grow from it.It's my perception that some good information might possibly come from such a dialouge.A new thread sounds like a good idea also.
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Post by scabdraggr on Aug 19, 2012 20:18:37 GMT -5
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Post by scabdraggr on Aug 19, 2012 20:24:23 GMT -5
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Post by Baraka Obam on Aug 19, 2012 21:40:33 GMT -5
You really gotta watch what your eating, scab, how in the heck can you have any bug living inside you?
Havent you eaten like pounds of horse parasite poison?
Why in the world would you want to speak with homeworld when he has his ideas, and quite literally they jive with mine, do you need to adapt his mind to your way of thinking.
If you can change homeworlds mind I think we should send you to Washington to adapt the legislators minds.
Oh well, seems me and homeworld got some kind of o kee do kee going, in with bacteria, mycoplasma, prions, virus, fungus out with the bugs and parasites.
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Post by sage on Aug 20, 2012 1:21:37 GMT -5
I'm in agreement with you Bam, no bugs, other than those from the outer world that are attracted to me like fleas, etc. I spend most time indoors and away from them. Going on nine years in to this and NO BUGS! However, I do believe there are some unfortunates who do harbor worms and other opportunistic creatures; consider ct barb with slugs, and freaky with worms. It is simply not the norm. You still cannot close your mind to the fact. sage
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Post by Baraka Obam on Aug 20, 2012 3:22:05 GMT -5
I'm in agreement with you Bam, no bugs, other than those from the outer world that are attracted to me like fleas, etc. I spend most time indoors and away from them. Going on nine years in to this and NO BUGS! However, I do believe there are some unfortunates who do harbor worms and other opportunistic creatures; consider ct barb with slugs, and freaky with worms. It is simply not the norm. You still cannot close your mind to the fact. sage Yes I have never said there are not parasites on the planet, I even have a video on you tube of my living parasite from my urine to prove I can say, I AM BARAKA OBAM AND I HAVE WORMS!!! I actually put up a thread on MDR because people kept pestering me about my disbelief of the fact that I did not ever see a bug when the intense itching started. Never had a bug caused anything like that, if it kept up like it was I would have had no question killed myself, it was torture, way worse then pulling out finernails it just would not stop. I have a picture of my buggy, he was cute, and he moved, this is about 250X so he is very tiny, at this magnification finding this tiny fellow was like finding a pin on a football field. Watch for him moving INSIDE this fiber looking thing, this is NOT a classic morgy fiber, there were many of these rooted looking fibers, they became much more important after this, the parasite is 3/4 the way up and inside the hollowed out center, he may have been responsable for the eating the center out. www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wbN3DMpl8wSo if you have bugs, I am not saying you do not, I will say this, itching is not from bugs, not the kind of itching I had if it was they would have shown themselves over 40 years. I did see the fibers coming out of my skin 38 years ago while in a black light bar, coming out of my pores, most (THOUSANDS) were bright white a tiny little few were orange, their was a case of a green one, they were all 1/8 inch or so long the issue is not with me now.
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Post by itchin4answers on Aug 20, 2012 5:08:35 GMT -5
I have those too, on my wrist, shiny pink skin.
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Post by itchin4answers on Aug 20, 2012 5:14:17 GMT -5
I'm in agreement with you Bam, no bugs, other than those from the outer world that are attracted to me like fleas, etc. I spend most time indoors and away from them. Going on nine years in to this and NO BUGS! However, I do believe there are some unfortunates who do harbor worms and other opportunistic creatures; consider ct barb with slugs, and freaky with worms. It is simply not the norm. You still cannot close your mind to the fact. sage Yes I have never said there are not parasites on the planet, I even have a video on you tube of my living parasite from my urine to prove I can say, I AM BARAKA OBAM AND I HAVE WORMS!!! I actually put up a thread on MDR because people kept pestering me about my disbelief of the fact that I did not ever see a bug when the intense itching started. Never had a bug caused anything like that, if it kept up like it was I would have had no question killed myself, it was torture, way worse then pulling out finernails it just would not stop. I have a picture of my buggy, he was cute, and he moved, this is about 250X so he is very tiny, at this magnification finding this tiny fellow was like finding a pin on a football field. Watch for him moving INSIDE this fiber looking thing, this is NOT a classic morgy fiber, there were many of these rooted looking fibers, they became much more important after this, the parasite is 3/4 the way up and inside the hollowed out center, he may have been responsable for the eating the center out. www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wbN3DMpl8wSo if you have bugs, I am not saying you do not, I will say this, itching is not from bugs, not the kind of itching I had if it was they would have shown themselves over 40 years. I did see the fibers coming out of my skin 38 years ago while in a black light bar, coming out of my pores, most (THOUSANDS) were bright white a tiny little few were orange, their was a case of a green one, they were all 1/8 inch or so long the issue is not with me now. I had the bugs (or bug) in the first 6 to 12 months. I recall a couple came out of my knee cap, it was black and had legs. My sanity sank another 50% which lead the way for almost complete in sanity on my part. What comes out my skin doesn't look like a living organism. A fiber optic? yeah could well be. The hairs - they are long. I feel the tunnels in my scalp.
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Post by homeworld on Aug 20, 2012 6:12:23 GMT -5
"having things grow from it" is what bacteria does. This is exactly the trait that makes bacteria indespensable to industry; farm the correct bacterial broth and you can make damn near anything. Even plastics. Especially plastics. The ability to "have things grow from it" is what makes species of Agrobacterium the perfect tool for those who would sabotage the genome of plants and animals. [GMO monkeywrenching] Having a "debate" about whether bacteria can have things "grow from it" makes as much sense to me as having a quorum over whether one is looking at a horse or a tomato. Determine the physical characteristics of the life form, observe what it is doing and draw your conclusions. [Tomatos are not known to chew their way through a wooden fence, so, what we have here is probably a horse. Best guess, of course, it could be a GMO tomato, but horse has a higher probability of accuracy. ] ..once again, another posting of pics demonstrating the extremely abundant bacteria as found in the urine, the gel "bubbles" that they make..and the structures [mostly fibers] that grow out of the gels. curezone.com/upload/_M_Forums/Morgellons/FHW/Urine/uricolonies31jul12.jpgcurezone.com/upload/_M_Forums/Morgellons/FHW/Urine/G_uribact27jan12.jpgcurezone.com/upload/_M_Forums/Morgellons/FHW/Urine/colony18jan12.jpgcurezone.com/upload/_M_Forums/Morgellons/FHW/Urine/bactlyse18jan12.jpg curezone.com/upload/_M_Forums/Morgellons/FHW/Urine/7_3uriparfiber5jun11.jpgcurezone.com/upload/_M_Forums/Morgellons/FHW/Urine/fibers_hatch_9jun11.jpg After viewing this "event chain" of bacteria to finished fiber thousands of times over the last 3 years..there is no "dark mystery" of "where" they come from. They come from a substance that is manufactured by bacteria; but what sort of bacteria is this? Why is it doing this..and why does the immune system appear to be unalarmed by it? [..the White Army will alert on gel particles and fibers, but that's a bit late for an effective defense.] The bacteria itself appears to be identified as "self"... and is not attacked. ? Are the bacteria actually normal gut bacteria that has had it's DNA re-written/modified to produce the "plastic bubbles" that make the fibers? I have read of experiments done in Canada to get cellulose fibers to grow in the human gut..perhaps that was a smashing success. [one wonders WHY one would want to have human guts making cellulose..but I digress..] My own bias is that the Agrobacterium used by GMO plant tinkerers..survives in the food crop, is eaten by humans and easily survives a short dash thru the stomach acids.. enters the gut and continues to do what it did at the [monsanto/bayer/syngenta] lab; transfers DNA to the gut bacteria, including the Agrobacterium trademark talent.. which is...inducing the growth of cellulose fibers. [see: crown gall disease in plants].
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Post by toni on Aug 20, 2012 9:54:41 GMT -5
Oh goodness, sort of chuckling here (about the tomatoes chewing through wood) hehehe and I understand "why" you said that - of course. Logic is screaming. I think I said something similar several years ago about "flying around in a room" - and trying to convince someone who never saw that event, to then believe it was possible - as a [glow=red,2,300]comparison[/glow] to trying to tell someone that we have something in our skin that we can feel moving, but the other person hasn't a clue what we're talking about. (sort of similar) ... in a way. I have to show you something Homeworld about Agro, that I believe has been passed up by (those studying Morgs). Be back with it, because it needs posted again, imho. I just have to find it, and I will. Thanks.
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Post by toni on Aug 20, 2012 10:21:15 GMT -5
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Post by Lynn on Aug 20, 2012 10:44:31 GMT -5
Hi Baraka
I had an interesting event yesterday. I had a heat stroke when I was a young girl thanks to my dad. It broke down all my sweat glands to shut down. Now I rarely sweat, but detoxing has made that some what better. Well it was a little humid and I did my exercise bike and actually had some beads of sweat across the forehead and under the arm. Which is rare for me. I usually just get heat sick because of no sweat. Well the sweat started to make me itch.
I think I know why now that I do not itch during this disease. The lack of sweat. I stayed itchy where sweat was until I wipe it away. Now if all my pores would put out small amounts of moisture like sweat it would probably itch like crazy as it drys. Wow I wonder about this. I can hardly wait for to try to sweat again to see if I can have a repeat episode. My sweat it reacting to the disease on the skin?? Hmmmmmmmmmm if I could figure this out.
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by Baraka Obam on Aug 20, 2012 12:53:57 GMT -5
I have felt and seen alot of strange stuff, this is a super weird syndrome, The hidden lesion tumors are in the systems of our body, they make their own network out of the bodys network and these are the lines and dots we see, follow the dots,LOL. Here is a item I did on lesions when I was killing them, uncovering and destroying the very fabric of the lesion/TUMORS hidden under the skin. You can see in the very first picture running down the side of my body the lines, click on the pictures they will blow up. The rest I have outlines over thousands of hours of treatment and hundreds of pictures all relaying what I have posted about the lesion/TUMOR its parts and avenues. www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/morgellons-pictures/4951-pictures-lesion-tumors-inside-out.html Read what is said about the pictures and I think you will see how insidious the lesion/TUMOR issue really is.
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Post by sage on Aug 20, 2012 20:25:48 GMT -5
I'm thinking that it must involve something that moves under its own volition to create those tunnels. The tunnels can be exposed and opened using theraputic blue light. I have tried it and it worked. This was discovered by Dr. John Martin. The Fools high up in the medical community continue to try to strip him of his license; I believe he gets too close to the truth, and we can't have THAT! They really work overtime on such issues. Just like with Dr. Spencer of Petaluma, they try to officially say, " he's nuts"....And the Merry Goes Round ! sage
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Post by scabdraggr on Aug 20, 2012 20:49:51 GMT -5
For anyone to claim to be a researcher that disclaims the presence of lifeforms that move under our skin,is laughable at best.Has no one seen the tadpole like things that can often can be found running back and forth under the scalp while inside it's tunnel?I've seen them race from the crown to the forehead and back all the while wiggling like a tadpolle.I have pics of such things in my library of pics and vids that contains over 6,000 pics and 200 videos of things from M victims bodies,many that show movement. It seems to me that many who post do not know what the heck they are talking about when they start declaring things that are unfounded.To decieve others that suffer from this would be unforgivable.There are the lives of so many that are affected in a negative way by this dilemma called morgellons.I want the truth and the facts so that the cure can come quickly. It's my belief that there is a lot of knowledge about this disease that we never get to hear about.Many labs are working on this but they refuse to speak about it and I understand that completely.Some info has gotten out but the govts have security measures in place about this disease and it's cause.Private labs are very private and with the funding being security based it may be a while before any major news is out from any of the main researchers of this disease.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Aug 20, 2012 21:17:05 GMT -5
Coes it have to move or can it develope like the roots of a plant.
The lines are so random I have to wonder the ryme and reason.
I had quite a shock today, I went to my daughters home, she had been sleeping in a very hot house as her air is down.
It was somthing I did not want to see but she is covered with the deep lines of involvment, I fear she does not have long before full bore morgellons issues.
It makes me sad.
She has had 24 years of life to manifest this horror. I do not want to tell her untill the lesions manafest, if they do, she will not listen to me maybe never.
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Post by scabdraggr on Aug 20, 2012 21:22:39 GMT -5
This is a parents worst nightmare.I fear that you are right with the diagnosis.
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Post by Lynn on Aug 20, 2012 23:23:37 GMT -5
Hi Baraka
Very sad to hear and hope nothing more comes of that. My husband has some of the same stuff as me, but nothing that really bothers him. I hope he never gets any further into this and that our diet changes and herbs will be enough to keep him from seeing the whole picture.
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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