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Post by scabdraggr on Jan 14, 2013 20:57:05 GMT -5
David, I'll gather some pics for a discussion about relationships, worms, surgery, concerns about the future and hope for more understanding of how to heal.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jan 14, 2013 22:03:39 GMT -5
One very last item, sooner or later you guys are gonna hurt my feelings, I am very tender, then, along with crying a river I may just go away, think about it, nobody to vent on, nobody you can misrepresent with slander, who will replace me, the voice of reason, the question man, who?
you had better think about the repercussions.
It will be boring in the new world order, with all the people that say, YES.
Is it a bug, YES, is it a virus, YES, is it bug with bacteria........aaaaaaaaa Bacteria, YES what do you want to eat tonight, YES, how many fingers am I holding up, YES. Does yes mean 11, YES. 11 fingers, YES, are you blind, YES can you see perfectly, YES
I have never taken what people say as cast in stone, many a time its dangerous. YES
There are no stupid questions only stupid answers. YES
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Post by ruthintoronto on Jan 14, 2013 22:55:08 GMT -5
Bo, all I know is the first symtoms for me came when a dog stayed at my house and left black specks everywhere. At first I thought fleas now I am convinced of mites, not the black specks, that's something else altogether. Now not your ordinary mite, well it could be, but something strange is going on. I just wonder if a dog mite has jumped speices, would not be the first time.
I do not know if you were being a smart alect in your response. No the people who lived with the dogs were not infected. I believe we have something on our bodies that entice these mites, perhaps mold. I know I have some wierd crap going on that shows up in my feet, right after an outbreak.
All I know is I want it gone.
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Post by Lynn on Jan 15, 2013 1:04:00 GMT -5
Dave
This last post of yours was very nice and I appreciate how orderly and easy for me to understand. I am going to start taking the DE tomorrow and thank you very much for the link. Still trying to get a hold of the people who posted on behave of the women who did the treatment that you post on that radio link. I would like to try it. I too have no lesions and the ones I use to have were small. I think I was so lucky to hit the right products to keep from getting into terrible big deep lesions. I hear you about the bug. Is there any bigger mites that if swollen with salt water can be seen with the naked eye. I still had to use a scope to see it was a bug. With the eye it looked just like a short piece of rubbery goo. Kind of like when a women I knew had cancer in her body and lymphoid and her one arm swelled up to huge that the water from her body would spring out of her pores and shoot through the air as if it were a water gun. It was horrific and must have hurt some, but relief also from the swelling.
More later... In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by scabdraggr on Jan 15, 2013 6:59:08 GMT -5
Ruth, your questions will all be answered correctly over at Dave's site, with pictures to better understand our common affliction, especially things about the black and brown specks. I promise that the info will carry your interest. The amount of available materials, that can shed light on our disease and it's vectors, will be presented.
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Post by Ayla on Jan 15, 2013 18:31:49 GMT -5
Hi David, So nice to hear from you—and even better when you have good news to share! So it sounds like you are itch-free and feeling normal again? I hope so.
I'm not having any issues with my skin (except the particles I find in the bed sheets), but I'm so curious to see if the Aloe Heat Lotion would draw anything from my skin. Think I might give it a try. I'll document anything unusual with photos.
As for virgin coconut oil being anti-fungal, anti-parasitic and anti-bacterial, I've read all that and take internally much more than the recommended dosages and I do not find my bacterias or fungus being reduced. I just had testing done and there were three pathogenic bacterias (two new ones) and I SLATHER my food with coconut oil. Not saying it doesn't offer some help, but I wouldn't bet the house on it.
What I do notice is that coconut oil left on my skin for 3-4 hours will draw particles and fibers to the surface. I just hate the feel of it on my skin, and it's messy (whine, whine, whine). I only apply it in the summer when I run around in short sleeves and shorts.
To all those who have bad drains, coconut oil is very hard on drains and can clog. If you are doing coconut pulling, spit into a napkin and discard and save your pipes.
There's my two cents.
Thank you again, David. This information about the aloe sounds very promising. I hope people will try it and post their results on this thread, so that we can get a distinctive read on what it does for others in our situation and with different symptoms.
xox Ayla
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Post by scabdraggr on Jan 15, 2013 18:53:11 GMT -5
Tinactin, for athlete's feet is what helped me the most. After it's applied to the skin, allow for it to dry and then cover it with Colgate whitening toothpaste, either the Total whitening or the optic white.
The paste will eventually dry up, allowing the center of the lesions to turn solid white, the outside edge turns black with the fibers being packed up in the dry paste.
When a shower is taken, allow for the areas to dry afterwards, then repeat the procedure. Never touch your skin with fingertips unless one is in the shower or sink,with that part of the body.
The dry chemical covered scab will dry up the worm larva if it is left alone, which is difficult to do as the larva struggles to exit the scab areas, making one prone to scratch off the dry scab, which is a no no. Eventually the scab and larva will fall off the spot. Again put the tinactin and toothpaste back on, in order to remove the acid that makes the skin a purplish color. The larva are 90% or more liquid, so the keyword here is, dehydrate, for the lesions.
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Post by toni on Jan 16, 2013 12:02:09 GMT -5
To anyone interested. This is what I call the (casings) of the Demodex mites. Now...whether this (matrix of skin debris) that is made up of just our cells and secretions, or whether it's a mix of (bacteriums and fungi biofilms and microbes) or all the above - who knows... it's not been examined. All I do know for a FACT is.... that this (layer like of skin) that forms ontop of our skin, or that secretes from the pores or, within the follicles, HAS and IS loaded with D. Mites. These mites are carrying more than one may think. On this video (even though the specimens look very large) they are not. This is under 60X magnification and 100x to 200X magnification is of course better, but... I wanted to show this "matrix" how even though it appears nothing is in it, well...there is. Lots of mites, and it's very difficult to get these kinds of video's, but if you have a very steady hand, and a good eye, and TONS of patience, you can see that within "that dry skin" stuff and the gooey gunk we see on and in our skin, lies gazillions of these buggers. If you pick anything off of your skin, make sure you add no more than a drop of water to hydrate the skin cells on a slide, in order to take a needle to squash out the mites that are residing within it. If you watch ALL of this video, you'll see that mites will squash out of what looks like nothing buy a dry piece of skin. They're there...just have to be diligent to smash them out. tinypic.com/player.php?v=bc675&s=5
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jan 16, 2013 13:03:06 GMT -5
I have seen Demodex up close and personal.
It does look like those items your separating from the debris is a demodex body, but these would have to be Pigmy's as you will see if I can find one in my pores it will literally look like Godzilla.
you know before I said they were very ugly because when you get one that is big out of a pore at 100 you can read its lips.
They are pure nastiola.
If I can get one out I will certainly try and when you see the close up you will be surprised.
The only thing is, I do not know after doing antibiotics, hydrogen peroxide35% and Neem in my shampoo forever if I will have any in my pores.
At one time so long ago you could see with the eye demodex in the eye lash holes, the holes were just stuffed full, it was terrible, looked like sausage when you cut it on the end.
The reason that happened STEROIDS, steroids allowed them to flourish like mad.
The video was interesting, you get more than one demodex looking body form out of the mess.
Still I do not assume Demodex to be the cause of my itching ever, not by the way the itching came over my body and the intensity.
Poison Ivy had nothing on my case of itching, it was close to a reason for leaving this planet.
If that was bugs making me itch they had teeth like razors and there were trillions of them, funny, there was nothing showing on my skin, no bite marks or flesh missing, nothing but agony.
My skin tone and look was unaffected and I saw no bugs, only miserable skin ripping itching.
I did not know what sleep was for a very long time.
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Post by toni on Jan 16, 2013 14:42:54 GMT -5
Baraka,
I sure don't know what to tell ya, but (the video's I have here are of Demodex mites).
60X magnification is all I'd used in this "particular" video.
Demodex mites are so small, they cannot be seen with the naked eye unless you have vision beyond that of any human being on Earth.
At 60X mag, yes, they still are tiny, no details can be seen.
One needs 200 times magnification to see the details and legs.
And some of my video's are at 200X mag. And those will show you, there's no doubt, they're Demodex.
And I sure believe what you said about after taking or having steroids, they flourished. Yes, anything that hinders the immune can "cause" the immune to not fight off what it normally would. Antibiotics are notorious for that too.
Also, would you do us and me a favor? Please post a picture of what you're calling Godzilla demodex mites, because those would be new to science, so we've got to see what you're talking about. Thanks.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jan 16, 2013 14:52:42 GMT -5
I was not disputing that they were, but at this magnification you can not see clearly what they are, you can only see BODY SHAPE, at 100 you can see the legs they are quite big at 100.
like I said if I can find one today, which I already tried and could not I will video the thing.
If I video it you will see it so up close you will freak out, it will be a monster movie.
Let me see if I can find one that has been done by someone else.
Rocklady on MDR had some up close and personel videos maybe I can find them, then you will see what I mean by positive identification.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jan 16, 2013 15:00:35 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Jan 16, 2013 15:05:31 GMT -5
Yes, I've video'd the same things, (exactly) and at that magnification where the details are shown and they're on this board here.
Maybe you missed them, (it wasn't that long ago).
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Post by toni on Jan 16, 2013 15:27:49 GMT -5
I was not disputing that they were, but at this magnification you can not see clearly what they are, you can only see BODY SHAPE, at 100 you can see the legs they are quite big at 100. like I said if I can find one today, which I already tried and could not I will video the thing. If I video it you will see it so up close you will freak out, it will be a monster movie. Let me see if I can find one that has been done by someone else. Rocklady on MDR had some up close and personel videos maybe I can find them, then you will see what I mean by positive identification. Baraka, I looked at the video of the mite that you posted of the Demodex. That "imho" looks like a magnification of 400x or greater to be able to see that kind of detail. I have only (posted pictures) of Demodex mites here on the board at 60X and 200X magnification, because the QX5 that I have is my scope that takes video's and pictures. I have also a Meade scope that has MUCH higher magnification 1200 X - that I view specimens with also, but....it hasn't the capacity to take video's or pictures which is why I only *post* here those pictures with a maximum of 200x.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jan 16, 2013 16:31:36 GMT -5
I did miss your big pictures, yuppers, so if your pulling this amount of Demodex mites out of you debris maybe you should use neem in your shampoo, it stinks though, smells like a cheap brand of bug spray.
Using 1200x is like impossible for me, I do not have the needed immersion oil.
The 100x will show them very close up and if I put on the video I am not sure but it looks like 200x to 250X
I do not know if my demodex were growing larger because of the steroids, but you have seen weight lifters on steroids, LOL.
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Post by toni on Jan 16, 2013 17:38:12 GMT -5
I did miss your big pictures, yuppers, so if your pulling this amount of Demodex mites out of you debris maybe you should use neem in your shampoo, it stinks though, smells like a cheap brand of bug spray. Using 1200x is like impossible for me, I do not have the needed immersion oil. The 100x will show them very close up and if I put on the video I am not sure but it looks like 200x to 250X I do not know if my demodex were growing larger because of the steroids, but you have seen weight lifters on steroids, LOL. Baraka, All this debis (the tiny skin like flakes and tiny sand stuff) ALL that stuff that comes out of the skin, well.... that's the stuff the mites are in. They're just so tiny it takes lots of practice to find them, because they're clear unless a top light is used and one knows how to find them in the debris. These video's I have and pictures of the D. mites are all before I began using the mustard washes. I will say though, that when the regimes/mustard is stopped, it all comes back, or it has with me anyways. Several years back (my beginning with Morgs) I used Neem everything. I even took the Neem supplements daily, and I hate to say it, but....all that Neem didn't do a thing for (morgs symptoms) as far as it went for me. I'm still here, still infected with "whatever this is". And I know what you mean about Neem stinking to high heaven. I honestly don't think there is a worse smelling thing in the entire Universe (than Neem). I'm really wondering what that was that you saw... and hope that next time you can get a video of it, which would be great. Yeah, hehehe the steroid'ed mites. hehehe Heck, for all we know (Demodex might be stronger than ever too). For an example (just thinking outloud). You know how staph "evolved/strengthened itself/mutated" into MRSA? All in the name of it's species "surviving" what all people have thrown at it over the years to treat it. So...over time, it just became stronger. (sometimes I wonder that about the mites) We all use sooooo many products and people take so many meds - that "time" with all them living in humans and sucking on sebum that has residue of medicines and topicals, well.... those products do cause strengthening of a species. All species on earth have two choices, live through circumstances, or not. As we've seen with Staph, (it lived to become MRSA). What if? What if the D mites are simply "more resistant" and more loaded with bacterium and fungi simply because of "time"....mutating/strengthening to survive as nature does...and not only mututated with the STRENGTH of Golliath, but also evolution with meds they also feed on too, since they're a direct feeder of what comes out of us. I mean they're eating great supplies of (medicines) when you think about it. I don't know but these D. Mites (are different) not in their looks completely, but...in their ability to deliver "junk" into us (because they're carrying lots more) than previously thought. I sure don't know...but ...there's something to these D. Mites being super doper troopers. I say that because "they can push themselves right out of the follicles" - (like that sand stuff many of us have found on our sheets). Ever just felt tiny little "things' on your skin, and scoped it? There's mites in those sand granules too. When ever in life "did we have sand in our beds" without laying in sand on the beach first? Never. That's why there's something really "stronger and different" about these guys. And we can only imagine "what they've really got in their guts, since each time I read....there's more bacterium findings in them, as stated by the medical world, or rather the people that are really studying them.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jan 16, 2013 20:19:47 GMT -5
The demodex in my nose sebum were exact copies of the bad boy/girl demodex mites in the video.
The closer you get the uglier they are.
When I first saw the thing I thought all the legs were heads, LOL, I thought it was a birthing pod or something.
There was no doubt it was demodex, then we have faced these since the beginning of time, are they more well rounded now, no doubt.
We have bombarded them with steroids, antibiotics, DDT, GMO food stuffs, plastic type additives we eat and they just keep on ticking.
You know, when I was raising phorid flys I was more than surprised at how much it took to kill the maggots, they survived all kind of stuff I used to slow them down, nothing worked including alcohol.
Finally of course it died, but it took some long time.
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Post by scabdraggr on Jan 16, 2013 20:22:19 GMT -5
Toni, by now you must know how obsessed that I am with taking pics while using a microscope, but so far I haven't seen one demodex mite or any skin mite on myself.I know you are correct with what you see, so maybe our m is a bit different, with which bugs and mites that we have. Have you noticed how most of the flies, ants, and other bugs are carrying the yellow liquid and pieces on and in them?
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jan 17, 2013 15:08:08 GMT -5
Why couldn't the only bug that is proved to inhabit the skin be the one delivering it?
Demodex nay, ants yeah, why?
Why would Ants carry their own pathogens when they have aphids?
Hmmmm, so confusing
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Post by davidbourke on Jan 18, 2013 12:44:38 GMT -5
Hi friends, Lynn - there are mites which can be seen with the naked eye but I very much doubt that any of their larval stages would be an inch long. This is much more likely to be a nematode. The largest nematode I know of is Ascaris Lumbricoides, which grow to extraordinary lengths: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascaris_lumbricoidesDespite what Wikipedia says, these have also been observed in the skin, but they leave visible burrows. Yours may have been a larval stage? But I can't say for sure without an image. @scabdraggr - since my last visit here, a correspondent has contacted me with images and an intriguing theory that ties in with that of Clifford Carnicom and Dr. Gwen Scott. If what he says is true, it explains how Morgellons is being spread. It also explains why, when all of us on the planet have the Morgellons fungus in our bloodstreams, not everyone has developed the disease. My friend's theory seems to pinpoint the triggering mechanism. I'd be very grateful if you could send me the images with the yellow material to which you refer, as well as the others we discussed earlier. ayla - long time, my friend. Good to talk with you again. The Heat Lotion and the ozonated oil have worked wonders with the itch - getting all the crud out seems to stop it. But so far they still don't work to stop the tickles. Something occurred to me last night in bed which I haven't had time to research yet. I've noticed that the itch is a burning itch. As a teenager, I accidentally stepped into an open drain full of caustic soda. The sensation produced by the sores that immediately developed on my foot and calf was identical - a burning itch. There are certain organisms that have the ability to move into and through flesh by using a caustic substance that actually dissolves it. More on this to come when I can find the time to do some research. I'm very happy that you don't have any skin issues (lucky you). But with regard to the bacterial issue vis a vis coconut oil, it's important to state not every bacterium or virus uses a lipid "overcoat." Since all the research I've done on this oil indicates that it's antibacterial, antiviral, and antifungal, it's very odd that it doesn't seem to work for you. I can't explain this. And many thanks for the tip about its drain-clogging properties. toni - I'd love to try to replicate your demodex "debris" experiments. Unfortunately, the design of my microscope makes it very difficult to use slides, and impossible to backlight. That's all I have for the moment. Talk soon. Love and light to you all. David.
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