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Post by toni on Mar 11, 2007 10:40:39 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Mar 11, 2007 11:56:32 GMT -5
And here's an explanation of what "non tuberculosis mycoplasm is" and it causes night sweats, chills etc. The skin biopsy revealed granulomatous lesion with positive PCR for non-tuberculous Mycobacterium (caused by Balamuthia/ancanthameoba) www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no6/mangione.htm shortness of breath, night sweats, and malaise
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Post by Carrie♥ on Mar 11, 2007 13:13:18 GMT -5
just to clarify Carrie....never called anyone a jerk.....just wondered why u were so mad at someone (now i know ) reasonable stated... "but, who knows, you may eventually get dividends from sitting on your data and keeping it all to yourself and your chosen champions. (whoops - I think I goofed again but guess we all have personality issues very few of us are able to transcend)"
"So, speaking of secretiveness, that's you as a group and not me. IMO the smart thing to do with research and data is to hang it on every lamppost and hope and scream and pray that someone - anybody - would please figure out this disease"interesting perspective ..... cuz i seem to get pooped on when i share my secrets .... nahhhhh I know you didn't call me a jerk but I could see some one looking in could think I was being a jerk if you started looking in from that point you know...not from the gate to see it all. I'm far from an angel right Friski ;)but I don't get a kick out of bad talkin' my people. I love ya'll...even the one's I may not like or those of ya'll that don't like me. Ha...it don't mean much because I know and live our disease well...so I don't care :PI love us...even Jeff. I don't really understanding what you were saying quoting Reasonable. I agree with them too...we should have it all posted every where put that'd be a perfect world. I wish I could hear about those tapeworms Reasonable was questioning folks about...my chains too and they're not and are not connected to tapeworms. Tonisue...they're the eggs. I started dissecting an article a little bit ago, I was talking about it with Prevenge. I haven't had a chance to finish it. I've got like twenty articles like that but I'm telling you they're the eggs. Not individually. I'm going to just do it okay...or try one more time. Once again, I don't have time right not 'cause the family calls. My dogs eyeball boogers are my prime, fresh specimens. I am so lucky and grateful for that. They can't get fresh liver fluke egg samples. I've not found an article where they can get an adult fluke to produce eggs in culture. They can purify secretions but not the eggs. So two points 1) in the liver they pass through our bodies and are sifted through doo-doo to be found in a stool sample...what does that look like? Is it going to look the same if the eggs have been released in to skin tissue? Nope and it has been documented to have had liver flukes in the skin be removed that HAVE released eggs into the patients skin tissues...ewe...what would that look like? 2) I can only find, keep, preserve the eggs from those fresh eye ball boogers in prime circumstances that I can't and still haven't perfected yet. Damn...yeah...that's a mess. That lets me know why and how it is so easily missed and they're not being found. It may sound sketchy but I am far from sketchy. I am not crazy or reaching. When I get time I'm planning to start with parasitologists from a number of universities around here...they can't tell me nothing Toniesue. That is significant. You know me, come on, you folks know me. Not one of them can tell me sh@t...they just don't know...I don't know how they don't but they don't. There is documented scientific literature that supports what I've been tryin' to say for the last year as I've been trying to figure this out too. There are a hand full of organisms that produce the dopa/blue fluorescent proteins. If we take that hand full of organisms and look at them in relation to our disease...if we can find a few area's to try to narrow this massive search down we may be able to do it. Check this out Tonisue...you'll love this okay, it's yeast. www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/263/23/11569.pdfProtein Determinution Spore and vegetative cell wall protein was estimated using an indirect method. Total nitrogen of the wall preparations was measured by a micro-Kjeldahl method (20). The nitrogen contents corresponding to glucosamine were subtracted from the values obtained, and the remaining nitrogen values were used to estimate protein, assuming a mean amino acid molecular weight of 117 (135 minus HzO). Standard methods for protein determination could not he used due to the insolubility of the wall proteins.We say it looks like this, we think it acts like a plant/mold/fungus...we feel mites...we feel worms. Okay fine...me too right. My head hurts 'cause it's so big. What do we have positive in our favor to work with? Our fiber temp...!!! It behaves like whatever...what they are seeing in our bodies that look like rivers of silicone, webs of plants or spider silk are the eggs. There's more...I've posted articles that talk about the proteins branching, I can see it from the eye ball boogers. The other thing too is that I've gotten info from a valuable source that has helped me search that I can't just put out there but I'm telling you this is very relevant information. The gook at the end of our hair shaft...egg blobs like the eye ball boogers. Could it be the cathespins that are also released that are dissolving the eggs 'cause normally the eggs are not kept around the beast of in tissue, they are passed out of the body. I've sent you an email with that article Tonisue...read it please. The above article...yes it talks about yeast but that's not what I'm talking about. That's not what it's about...it's about the protein structure of the beast in relation to the above information and what they heck they do, the beautiful blue fluoresce and the insolubility of the beautiful blue protein...hum...in a fiber?
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Post by cozmikanjel on Mar 11, 2007 13:22:30 GMT -5
"So, speaking of secretiveness, that's you as a group and not me.
i guess i took that statement as..... US being secretive??!! and i dont see where that is coming from.
please correct me if i am interpreting wrong.
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Post by toni on Mar 11, 2007 13:56:40 GMT -5
Carrie, thank you! I am really going to check all that out, and I appreicate that so much and YOU!
I know when one....(you, me...any of us) feels soooo strongly about something, because of the "events" and specimens we have right before us, it becomes frustrating when others don't understand or see it the way we do too. I know...cause we're like...how come this isn't perceived?
Here I'm all hung up on the ancanthamoeba/Balamuthia and the Bacillus Subtilis, you on the flukes, and everyone on their "findings and learning(s)" and believe me, I know if you're correct, and you'd put your stamp of "final" on it, you could probably ((and probably are hahaha)) screaming out, how come no one sees this???
I appreciate ALL your hard work, always have. And as I've said, you may very well be absolutely correct, and that's a fact.
So lets find where we can get these "suckers" evaluated, okay???
I'm game, I'll help anyway I can okay? Get your dogs "goop" haha from his eyes, and if they're (the flukes) in there, bottle it, and lets find a place, cause I really want to know, and I will help take care of that evaluation.
Lets start tearing this down to the gnats behind, actually the molecules that make that up.
Lets get it looked at. And I'll get blood tests for the "other/balamuthia" and lets get this show on the road, cause I'm marching right along side you!!!!
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Post by gertie on Mar 11, 2007 20:39:27 GMT -5
Toni, you asked about being in a hospital environment right before the onset of this, and yes, I was in a hospital daily for about 6 weeks. My mother had cancer and I was taking care of her. Do you have a dr that actually will take whatever test you ask him about? I am very curious to see the results of this test. I will be next in line!
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Post by toni on Mar 12, 2007 7:57:44 GMT -5
Hi Gertie,
I'm very sorry about your mom, so sad.
And that's good to know about the hospital...I'm interested to find out if hospitals might be a possibility in where we may have picked up this. I know I may sound out there, but....MRSA is usually picked up there, and this Balamuthia is incubated "by" MRSA. My care is under Ginger Savely who is very sensitive to Morgellons. I don't have a doctor yet that specializes in this "Ancanthamoeba/Balamuthia" but I'll sure find one before the end of this week.
I too was in a hospital environment prior to my "onset" of Morgellons. And thank you for letting me know that Gertie.
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Post by toni on Mar 12, 2007 9:56:02 GMT -5
arpa.allenpress.com/arpaonline/?request=get-document&doi=10.1043%2F1543-2165(2004)128%3C466:BMMIAI%3E2.0.CO%3B2Balamuthia mandrillaris (previously known as Leptomyxid ameba) was first identified as a pathogen when it was isolated from the brain of a mandrill baboon at the San Diego Zoo. More than 85 cases of human encephalitis due to B mandrillaris have been reported worldwide; 40 of these occurred in the United States, including 10 patients with human immunodeficiency virus/AIDS.2 Epidemiologically, most cases in the United States have been reported from the warmer southern or southwestern states, but 1 adult case has been reported from New York. It is unlikely that the disease has a seasonal pattern, since symptom onsets have been reported in both summer and winter. The life cycle of Balamuthia includes a vegetative trophic stage and a dormant cyst stage.
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Post by cyn on Mar 16, 2007 17:24:34 GMT -5
i WAS SPENDING LONG HOURS IN HOSPITALS WITH MY FATHER ALL THROUGH 2003.
MY LAST SURGERY WAS IN 2003.
I WORKED FOR KAISER PERMANENTE IN 2003.
CONTACT WITH MORGELLONS MIGHT HAVE BEEN AS EARLY AS NOV. 2004 (IN SOIL)
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Post by cyn on Mar 16, 2007 17:37:06 GMT -5
TONI WROTE, And here's an explanation of what "non tuberculosis mycoplasm is" and it causes night sweats, chills etc.
The skin biopsy revealed granulomatous lesion with positive PCR for non-tuberculous Mycobacterium (caused by Balamuthia/ancanthameoba)
www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no6/mangione.htm
shortness of breath, night sweats, and malaiseI HAVE TESTED POSITIVE FOR TB TOO. THE NIGHT SWEATS IS WHAT PROMPTED THE DOC TO TEST FOR IT. HOWEVER, THEY SAID THE X-RAY SHOWED NO TB INFECTION IN LUNGS. AND GUESS WHAT TONI, SPENT LOTS OF DAYS AT THE SAN DIEGO ZOO (smoking pot in the empty hippopotamus pool) AND HAVE KNOWN MANY A BABOON.
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Post by toni on Mar 22, 2007 10:19:44 GMT -5
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