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Post by toni on Mar 9, 2007 9:28:20 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Mar 9, 2007 10:46:09 GMT -5
www.vetpathology.org/cgi/content/full/41/4/398In recent years, the incidence of amoebic infections, including Acanthamoeba species, Naegleria fowleri, and Balamuthia mandrillaris, in humans has increased significantly, particularly in immunocompromised patients with acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS), cancer, or transplanted organs.12 These amoebae can cause two types of disease in the central nervous system (CNS). The first is a rapidly progressive infection called primary amoebic meningoencephalitis (PAM) caused by N. fowleri. The second is a chronic, slowly progressive CNS disease called granulomatous amoebic encephalitis (GAE) that can be caused by either Acanthamoeba sp. or B. mandrillaris.
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Post by toni on Mar 9, 2007 10:58:59 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Mar 9, 2007 11:46:10 GMT -5
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erika
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Post by erika on Mar 9, 2007 12:42:52 GMT -5
i have looked at and read some of the links.. but i don't understand it like you do.. so if you think it is a possibility..then it should be considered for sure cause i feel like you have a grasp for understanding this. I haven't had as much "physical evidence" come out of me as you have.. I just have the crawlies all the time.
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Post by reasonable on Mar 9, 2007 13:34:20 GMT -5
www.medscape.com/viewarticle/467344_3Amebic infections are seen in the chronically ill, debilitated patient with some level of immune suppression. Decreased antibody production, depressed leukocyte function, impaired lymphokine production, low levels of complement, and a decreased rate of leukocyte accumulation each play a role in amebic infections. But you and others posted several times that your immune is fine, so how does it apply?
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Post by toni on Mar 9, 2007 13:56:29 GMT -5
Reasonable, That's not correct. This can happen in perfectly healthy individuals. Please read under "abstract". Pathogenic, free-living (or amphizoic) amoebae belonging to the genera Acanthamoeba, Naegleria, and Balamuthia cause infections in humans and animals,12,14 are ubiquitous in soil and water, and are distributed worldwide www.vetpathology.org/cgi/content/full/41/4/398
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Post by Sidney on Mar 9, 2007 14:08:53 GMT -5
Haven't checked these links yet, but wonder if Balamuthia can be transmitted to vertebrates by blood sucking arthropods? Anybody want to check it out?
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Post by belikewater on Mar 9, 2007 14:20:14 GMT -5
Do they make fibers?
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Post by toni on Mar 9, 2007 14:22:58 GMT -5
Hi Sid,
I'm not sure "yet" about that....still reading, and the more I read...we'll please look...this really is something.
Reasonable,
Please type in google, (ancanthamoeba infecting healthy people), I do understand what you're saying, but it's really - "mostly" it will infect one with a compromised immune, but, that is not always.
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Post by toni on Mar 9, 2007 14:28:28 GMT -5
Belikewater,
Don't know...yet.
Also please look at this:
How does infection with Acanthamoeba occur?
Acanthamoeba can enter the skin through a cut, wound, or through the nostrils. Once inside the body, amebas can travel to the lungs and through the bloodstream to other parts of the body, especially the central nervous system (brain and spinal cord).
This is found at our (#$#@%) CDC site on the internet.
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Post by toni on Mar 9, 2007 14:39:10 GMT -5
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Post by gertie on Mar 9, 2007 14:58:26 GMT -5
Toni, I read the links and I think that there are several facts that would apply to this disease. But, the main factor, like belikewater said, are the fibers and the crawlies. That is something we all have in common. I swam like a fish before this and I landscaped often and worked at a garden nursery. At the onset of this, I was diagnosed with a severe Staph aureus infection that was very resistant to drugs. So, it is possible, or possible that they used this in "their" concoction recipe in creating this monstrous disease.
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Post by toni on Mar 9, 2007 15:16:44 GMT -5
Gertie,
I use to swim alot too.
And just before this all hit, something else, I went to the doctors to get contact lenses, the kind that enable you to see near or far, and well...long story short, I only wore them a week and said forget that...didn't like them since I only use reading glasses if the light isn't bright enough.
And I still have a puffy left eyelid, not as bad as it was 6 months ago...but it's still puffed.
That too (contact lenses ) besides water or soil, are also a means of transmission of this stuff.
And yes...I'm also reading about this more than before because there are many many health problems this causes that are like ours, and I agree, the crawlies etc are definatley part of seeing too if they match up.
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Post by toni on Mar 9, 2007 15:51:25 GMT -5
ANCANTHAMOEBA incubator for MRSA: Wonder if this has anything to do with why many nurses are getting "our symptoms" too??? www.news-medical.net/?id=17086
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Post by reasonable on Mar 9, 2007 18:00:18 GMT -5
Tonie, the key phrase is "are ubiquitous in soil and water, and are distributed worldwide". If you need this explained and still believe that someone with normal immunity could succumb while most others not, you better concentrate your efforts on your reaching out campaign.
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Post by toni on Mar 9, 2007 19:23:13 GMT -5
Reasonable, You really DON'T need to be cute by telling me what I "better keep my concentrations on".....that's ugliness coming out, please keep statements like that to yourself if you can. The bottom line here is again "not" what I think, I did NOT write all of these articles of information that are accessible on the internet. This has nothing to do with what I think. These are written articles, so take a look, and then you'll see too. (I've bracketed (below) the statement that this in FACT does and can infect healthy individuals, one does not have to be compromised.) www.tulane.edu/~wiser/protozoology/notes/free.htmlMany cases of GAE originally ascribed to Acanthamoeba have retrospectively been assigned to Balamuthia. As of 2003 there have been approximately 100 cases of Balamuthia infections reported with about half of the cases being in the U.S.. Many of the reported cases involve children. In contrast to Acanthamoeba, Balamuthia can cause a subacute-to-chronic infection which is more rapidly progressing. ((( In addition, Balamuthia appears more capable of infecting healthy individuals. ))) In many of the infections a primary lesions in the respiratory tract or skin have been noted suggesting that the infections is acquired via inhalation or breaks in the skin. Thus far, only 3 survivors have been reported (Deetz et al, 2003; Jung et al, 2004). All were treated for an extensive time period with numerous drugs. Only recently has Balamuthia been identified in the environment. The amebas were successfully grown from soil samples associated with a fatal case in a northern California child (Schuster et al, 2003) and have subsequently been cultivated from another soil source (Dunnebacke et al, 2004). The ameba are slow growing (generation time of 20-50 hours) and feed on other ameba (or cultivated mammalian cells) instead of bacteria. These features probably account for the difficulty in detecting Balamuthia in the environment. Interestingly, in two of the survivors, acquisition of the infection was associated with gardening activities (Deetz et al, 2003; Jung et al, 2004).
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Post by cozmikanjel on Mar 9, 2007 20:43:54 GMT -5
I've realized one thing in life......
and that is how LITTLE EFFORT one must make, to say some of the most stinging and hurtful words to another.
Consistantly rude, reasonable, why?
(especially one > Toni < whom I KNOW does NOT deserve it!!)
We're hurting physically and emotionally... how about a little more tact?! (or consideration??)
ps......I think i need to apologize to Carrie.... now i understand... that i didnt understand (completely) before!! I am sorry Carrie!!
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Post by See Jane Crawl on Mar 9, 2007 20:53:26 GMT -5
Toni,
I read one of the articles from the links you provided, it was saying the mortality rate for this disease is almost 100% & the duration of the disease is anywhere from 7 -120 days.
But who knows, what we have could be a relative of that monster! Until we know for sure what we have, anything is possible!
The video from Florida keeps nagging me, the thing that was pretty frightening was there were so many different types of bugs in that ladies skin scrapings. I think that could be one of the reasons it is so hard to pinpoint is that we are dealing with more than one problem. Sometimes I think we have some type of mutated bacteria that attracts different parasites, depending on where you live, the type of critters each of us has. It is just an observation, I have no scientific proof to back it up, it is just my opinion.
On a different note, I have been finding some strange bright fluorescent orange fungusy, slimy bloby stuff in my stool. Has anyone else found this stuff? It is the weirdest substance, it is like a blob of jello, that's the only thing I can think of to describe it. I put some in alcohol in a jar & it attaches itself to the side of the glass jar & just sits there, it doesn't dissolve, if I poke it with something it will fall apart, almost like bursting out, like a spore does, you know what I mean or am I being delusional? (I know the brain fog just set in, I lost my train of thought about half way through that dissertation!) Damn things! I want my brain back!!
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Post by Sidney on Mar 9, 2007 21:06:35 GMT -5
Blood sucking arthropods can and do transmit amoeba and protozoa.
My opinion is that we don't have just one organism causing us grief, but a multitude.
The hair I find in my lesions is hair. Cat hair, human hair, whatever, but easy to identify as hair. Same with the fibers. It IS exactly what IT appears to be.
This stuff didn't get into my lesions by accident, and I can only speak for myself, not what anyone else sees or experiences.
As for Tonie's research, thank God she's researching and not curled up in a fetal position sucking her thumb while swaying back and forth.
I don't care if she wants to study the sex life of Tree Toads. That is HER business, not mine, and I value her research as well as her courageous attempt to get the word out regarding our disease.
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