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Post by robertalouise26 on Jan 6, 2008 17:00:00 GMT -5
Dear Grady thank you so much for such great post. I and someone else have experienced this sticky liquid. Me for a long long time in fact many years and did you know that the swabs from my ears came back from the lab was pseudomonas aerugonosa? I guess that they could be related. I have had shocking shocking trouble with my ears just about going bats. I am using Vosol nutrasilver and chembuster in my ears. Suebe sent them to me and they are really really helping me. Thank you once again for your post and all the work that you have put into it. Much love and best wishes. Roberta.
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Post by grady on Jan 6, 2008 17:13:31 GMT -5
Roberta, I think we have found the true cause of Morgellons, your being diagnosed as having "Pseudomonas aeruginosa" is another key piece of the pluzzle, look at this quote: Key phrase "Pseudomonas putida is closely related to Pseudomonas aeruginosa" Pseudomonas putida has the potential to help clean up organic pollutants www.ebi.ac.uk/2can/genomes/bacteria/Pseudomonas_putida.htmlPseudomonas putida is a Gram-negative bacteria with rod-shaped cells and multitrichous flagella, it is one of nature's most versatile microbes. This soil bacterium has the potential to help clean up organic pollutants as it is a unique soil microorganism, which can resist the adverse effects of these organic solvents. P. putida has the most genes of any known species involved in breaking down aromatic hydrocarbons, like TNT. Aromatic hydrocarbons are hazardous chemicals generated by the burning of coal, gas, tobacco, meat and other organic matter. The petroleum industry is investigating P. putida as a cheap means of purifying fuel, while the pathogen's resistance to antibiotics is allowing crop scientists to study its ability to protect plants from pests and help them grow. The newly sequenced genome may benefit research on cystic fibrosis. Pseudomonas putida is closely related to Pseudomonas aeruginosa
So, the question then is can your diagnoses be that sure. By that I mean it would take gene sequencing to differentiate betwen "putida" and "aeruginosa" and we see here that they are very closely related, and one creates plastic, this is our bug folks, THIS IS OUR BUG.
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Post by grady on Jan 6, 2008 17:46:09 GMT -5
Also, and more frightening this statement from my last post:
While the pathogen's (PSEUDOMONAS PUTIDA) resistance to antibiotics is allowing crop scientists to study its ability to protect plants from pests and help them grow.
My bet is we've already eating this crap, it's amazing there are no controls in the biotech field, truly irresponsible.
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Post by grady on Jan 6, 2008 17:46:31 GMT -5
Roberta, my guess is you have PSEUDOMONAS PUTIDA (and so do the rest of us) notice how they say this could even have benefits with cystic fibrosis, why? Because it must create fibers in our bodies, only this form is incredible good and generating plastic of all kinds in our body.
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Post by robertalouise26 on Jan 6, 2008 17:56:15 GMT -5
WOW GRADY My ears have been hit the most but I firmly believe that it is throught out my body or that something feeding it is breeding i n our bodies. IT SEEMS AS IF YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK GRADY!!!!!!! EXCELLENT !!!!!!!! What can I do to help you? ? get to the bottom of this? ?? Remember Grady that I have been diagnosed as DOP. I think the Doctor that took the swab and sent it to the Lab was the best that I have ever had but I think tht she has left the practice. Please just tell me what I can do MUCH MUCH LOVE AND VERY BEST WISHES AND HUGS. Roberta.
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Post by grady on Jan 6, 2008 18:13:18 GMT -5
I'm going to find out if I can get tested for both ""Pseudomonas putida" and "Pseudomonas aeruginosa" for starters, I am very greatful to your chiming in with your diagnosis of "Pseudomonas aeruginosa" I do believe that is very important information. Hopefully others will chime in too.
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Post by grady on Jan 6, 2008 18:28:38 GMT -5
Wow, I just did a search on Google for "Pseudomonas aeruginosa" and Morgellons, got tons of hits, what the crap, it appears its not uncommon for Morgellons folks to have "Pseudomonas aeruginosa", no duh, H3LL its the cause !!!! www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/2459/P320/Some people also test positive for Pseudomonas aeruginosa or they test positive for Lyme's Disease. www.morgellons-uk.net/?p=265The Pseudomonas family are also a factor to consider in any discussion on Morgellon’s Disease. I developed a nasty ear infection after swimming in a river in South West France in the Summer of 1997. It took 2 years to clear the mess, and it moved from ear to ear, despite anti-biotics. Since then, I have had ear problems with regularity and I found out recently, that the infection was Pseudomonas.sp. www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message280356/pg1The purpose of quorum sensing is to coordinate certain behaviour or actions between bacteria of the same kind, depending on their number. For example, opportunistic bacteria, such as Pseudomonas aeruginosa can grow within a host without harming it, until they reach a certain concentration. Then they become aggressive, their numbers sufficient to overcome the host's immune system and form a biofilm, leading to disease.I could go on and on, the Pseudomonas family linked strongly to Morgellons, and now I have found one called Pseudomonas Putida that creates plastics, bio-degradable. I believe we now need to to consider strongly this is our bug, doctors do not know the connection (and very close cousin) that creates plastics, which our bodies are doing. In fact, they probably cannot tell one bacteria from the other since they are so closely related. As a side note I'm a strong gardener, have had cuts on my hands when planting trees and so on, many times. I have no doubt that this is the cause, they are passing right over it thinking it no big deal, but this is it. NO WONDER THEY CANNOT FIND IT, IT'S HIDING IN PLAIN SITE, THEY HAVE FOUND IT (JUST MIS IDENTIFIED IT)
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Post by grady on Jan 6, 2008 18:54:47 GMT -5
Oh my gosh, look what wikipedia says about it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudomonas_aeruginosaIt creates biofilms, is also an opportunistic pathogen of plants, secretes a variety of pigments, including pyocyanin (blue-green), fluorescein (yellow-green and fluorescent, now also known as pyoverdin). Definitive clinical identification of P. aeruginosa often includes identifying the production of both pyocyanin and fluorescein as well as its ability to grow at 42°C. P. aeruginosa is capable of growth in diesel and jet fuel, where it is known as a hydrocarbon-utilizing microorganism (or "HUM bug"), causing microbial corrosion. It creates dark gellish mats sometimes improperly called "algae" because of their appearance. (So doctors really don't know for sure which Pseudomonas they are saying we have) Diagnosis
Depending on the nature of infection, an appropriate specimen is collected and sent to the bacteriology laboratory for identification. First, a Gram stain is performed, which should show G - ve, rods with no particular arrangement. Then, if the specimen is pure, the organism is grown on MacConkey agar plate to produce colorless colonies (as it doesn't ferment lactose), but if the specimen is not pure, then the use of a selective plate is essential. Cetrimide agar has been traditionally used for this purpose. When grown on it, P. aeruginosa expresses the exopigment pyocyanin, which is blue-green in color, and the colonies will appear flat, large, and oval. It also has a characteristic fruity smell. P. aeruginosa is catalase, oxidase, nitrase, and lipase positive. When grown on TSI medium it has a K/K/g-/H2S- profile, meaning that the medium will not change color. Finally, serology could help which is based on H & O antigens. Antibiotics that have activity against P. aeruginosa include: aminoglycosides (gentamicin, amikacin, tobramycin); quinolones (ciprofloxacin and levofloxacin but not moxifloxacin) cephalosporins (ceftazidime, cefepime, cefpirome, but not cefuroxime, ceftriaxone, cefotaxime) ureidopenicillins (piperacillin, ticarcillin: P. aeruginosa is intrinsically resistant to all other penicillins) carbapenems (meropenem, imipenem, but not ertapenem) polymyxins (polymyxin B and colistin)[24] monobactams (aztreonam) These antibiotics must all be given by injection, with the exception of fluoroquinolones. For this reason, in some hospitals, fluoroquinolone use is severely restricted in order to avoid the development of resistant strains of P. aeruginosa. In the rare occasions where infection is superficial and limited (for example, ear infections or nail infections) topical gentamicin or colistin may be used. Antibiotic Resistance
Pseudomonas aeruginosa is a highly relevant opportunistic pathogen. One of the most worrisome characteristics of P. aeruginosa consists in its low antibiotic susceptibility. This low susceptibility is attributable to a concerted action of multidrug efflux pumps with chromosomally-encoded antibiotic resistance genes and the low permeability of the bacterial cellular envelopes. Besides intrinsic resistance, P. aeruginosa easily develop acquired resistance either by mutation in chromosomally-encoded genes or by the horizontal gene transfer of antibiotic resistance determinants. Development of multidrug resistance by P. aeruginosa isolates requires several different genetic events that include acquisition of different mutations and/or horizontal transfer of antibiotic resistance genes. Hypermutation favours the selection of mutation-driven antibiotic resistance in P. aeruginosa strains producing chronic infections, whereas the clustering of several different antibiotic resistance genes in integrons favours the concerted acquisition of antibiotic resistance determinants. Some recent studies have shown that phenotypic resistance associated to biofilm formation or to the emergence of small-colony variants may be important in the response of P. aeruginosa populations to antibiotics treatment.[11]
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Post by robertalouise26 on Jan 6, 2008 18:56:44 GMT -5
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Post by grady on Jan 6, 2008 19:08:21 GMT -5
You need to gently lead your doctor to the water by doing three things. You have already stated you have been diagnosed with "Pseudomonas Aeruginosa" so let's go the next step Print these 3 documents: 1) Bacteria Eating Up Oil Spills and Producing Biodegradable Plastic tinyurl.com/2hdt332) Pseudomonas putida is closely related to Pseudomonas aeruginosa tinyurl.com/2fhsw53) Wikipedia's Definition of "Pseudomonas aeruginosa" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudomonas_aeruginosaI think all three of those are pretty telling, if you doctors is aware or has seen any strange things like fibers or plastic chunks that have come form your body this is very "damning evidince" in my opinion. Also, keep in mind, that these two are so closely related we don't know, perhaps even "Pseudomonas Aeruginosa" will create plastics, we only know about the other because a few folks tried to test it. The bad news is, from the wikipedia article, its very, very hard to get rid of (tell us something we don't already know). By the way, I'm a guy
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Post by suebe on Jan 6, 2008 19:46:19 GMT -5
I'm going to dig up some old medical records from Josh this week. They found a gram neg. bacteria in his lesions.
Also when my Boarder Collie got so sick from multiple lesions on her back, ended up doing major surgery and skin grafts to save her at a cost of over 4000. dollars all because CDC has let his go on and on.
Oh I can't wait to find those records, if it's that I'm going to hit the roof with CDC. My dog survived and was worth every penny. But I'll never forgive CDC for what they took from me.
I have not seen that blue plastic stuff coming out of my skin for a long while, probably over a year, BUT oh shoot I'd for got this, maybe six months ago I got a few samples off my face. Well i put them in a jar. THERE WAS NOTHING A ALL BLUE OR PLASTIC LOOKING IN THAT JAR, a few months later I took it out and there was the blue plastic stuff growing in there. Chit now I'll drive myself nuts if I don't go look for it. Be back later, Love Sue
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Post by bannanny on Jan 6, 2008 20:50:28 GMT -5
Grady, have you thought about forwarding this info. to Dr. Staninger to see what she might have to say about it? I mean, she's doing research on morgs so it might not be a bad idea to see what a dr. experienced with studying morgs has to say about it. You might even help her connect some dots, ya never know. Maybe you should give it a shot??
Also, would it be a specific blood test you would need to have to be tested for Pseudomonas putida and aeruginosa? It sure would be interesting to see if those of us with morgs test positive for it. What you're finding seems to be some really good work Grady....... you too sky!
hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by bannanny on Jan 6, 2008 20:57:58 GMT -5
Forgot to ask you guys something....... I get some pretty terrible zaps when this stuff enters or exits my skin and scalp (or whatever it's doing). It really is awful, like a burning electrical shock. It also happens when I get lucky enough to grab ahold of whatever it is and try to pull it out ( which I never end up doing cuz it goes right into the finger I'm using to pull it out with). But it's a sting like no other....... any idea if what you're talking about here might cause these kinds of sensations?
love ya's ~~ bannannas
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Post by grady on Jan 6, 2008 21:17:25 GMT -5
bannanny, I have Dr. Staningers phone number, will call her tomorrow, there are others on this site who have her email id, I really think she needs to read this thread. Also, I have emailed Dr. Kolb and let her know about my theory. I really think there is something to this. It makes too much sense, there is too much evidence pointing to Pseudomonas Putida/Pseudomonas aeruginosa to disregard it. I'll bet doctors don't know this stuff is capable of producing plastics and such ...
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Post by grady on Jan 6, 2008 21:28:27 GMT -5
Roberta, regarding NutraSilver, they have a study done by a 3rd party testing lab tinyurl.com/2wrj8beColi at 8.2 Billion Microorganisms, killed at the rate of 99.999% Pseudomonas aeruginosa at 4.1 billion microorganisms, killed at 99.999% Shigella flexneri at 8.8 billion microorganisms, killed at 99.999% Salmonella arizonae at 3.2 billion microorganisms killed at the rate of 99.999%. That is in vitro, but still, I have NutraSilver around here, don't sell it or make any money off it (let's get that issue off the table) but I'm going back on it, perhaps thats why it's helping your ears? I don't want to get off topic on this thread though, let's keep it focused
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Post by robertalouise26 on Jan 6, 2008 21:39:08 GMT -5
Dearest dearest Sue about 4 years ago when Nuspa was still up and running. I posted on the board and to Suzy who was ver active on the board, that when I put specimens in a glass or glass jar everything turned purple!!!!!! As true as I am sitting here in front of this computer and it kept growing. I was flabbergasted and took it around to my girl friend Diannes place she took one little look at it and told me to get rid of it. I went to put it in her rubbish bin and she called out no no no Robbie somewhere else. It was really strange, that this purple thing I only found in the kitchen and obv iously near water, but it disturbed me greatly. It was the same time as I was finding red, blue and green threads in Aylas coat (my previous dog). Haven't seen it again and don't want to!!!!!!!! It was unexplainable and weird. Hope your day is going well Sue. Much much love. Robbie
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Post by robertalouise26 on Jan 6, 2008 21:59:32 GMT -5
Dearest Grady I rang up the medical centre and my new Doctor is still there. That is the one who took the swab and sent it to the lab. Now Grady h ave you any questions that you would like me to ask her? would you like me to do a test PS Putida and Aeruginosa? Should i ask for anti biotics if so which one. This is a good open minded young Doctor and the first Doctor that has helped me in 12 years. Just let me know. Much love and best wishes. Roberta.
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Post by grady on Jan 6, 2008 22:14:12 GMT -5
Roberta, I don't know what I'd ask, if it was my doctor I'd lay out the theory and ask if s/he was interested in helping a huge community of folks who need help. Surely given your diagnosis and it's cousin's ability to produce plastics warrents investigation. We really need somebody like your doctor, Staninger, Kolb or someone to look into it, surely the CDC doesn't give a crap if I can track this down by connecting the dots you'd think they can, if it turns out not to be it then we tried, however, I think they need to test a large group of us, wonder if Kaiser would read this thread?
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Post by robertalouise26 on Jan 6, 2008 22:35:11 GMT -5
Dearest Grady I automatically thought you were a female sorry for that. I will still send you love and best wishes. Okay I tread very quietly with the Doctor tomorrow. Tho I will feel like screaming at her I have got this, I have got this I have got this. PLEASE FIX ME UP!!!!!!! GIVE ME AN ASWNSER AND PLEASE PLEASE CURE ME!!!!!!!!! I have written down most of what you have posted and will give it to her to read and tell her that it came from the internet. If you think of anything else that I should ask or say just let me know!!!! Now tonight I have to put nothing in my ears no matter how bad they are. So all the stuff that I am putting in my ears might interfere with any swabs she might take. Which means I could be in for a hell of a night. Okey dokey that is okay. I will go to bed early take an extra sleeping pill and sleep until it is time to get up and go to the Doctor. The appointment is for 11am tomorrow morning. i have to mention that my daughter and her GodParents are getting very impatient with me because I CANNT HEAR THEM OR THE TV OR THE RADIO so I am not a very popular person at the moment. Grady COULD THIS BE THE AWNSER TO OUR PRAYERS HOPES AND WISHES? ?? I have a strong feeling that we are on the right track, but Grady would this thing invade our bedding clothing etc etc? Please please keep me informed of your pogress. As soon as I get back from the Doctors I will post on the board. Now I am going to check it out on dogs Much love and best wishes. Roberta.
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Post by betsy on Jan 6, 2008 23:39:40 GMT -5
Roberta, It is good that you have found a young doctor with an open mind who is trying to help you. I think it is important for you to protect that relationship. I would suggest that you take things slowly and don't throw too much at the doctor. Also, the word "research" sounds quite a bit better than getting something off the "internet".
Perhaps you could pick out one or two characteristics that Brady mentioned of this bacteria (or near cousin bacteria). Then you could call these to the attention of the doctor IF they relate to any of your personal symptoms or complaints. That gradual and logical approach will give you credibility and gently guide the doctor in the direction you'd like. Good luck with your appointment.
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