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Post by grady on Jan 7, 2008 19:37:32 GMT -5
READ MY POST JUST ABOVE HERE FOLKS, WE HAVE "NEAR PROOF" AND ENOUGH TO DEMAND WE BE TESTED. THEY CULTURED "Pseudomonas Putida" OFF OF MORGELLONS FIBERS FOLKS, A SOIL BACTERIUM NOW KNOWN TO TURN SUBSTANCES INTO BIODEGRADEABLE PLASTIC, THIS IS HUGE FOLKS.
Did you guys see my last post?
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Post by felixwillford on Jan 7, 2008 19:51:48 GMT -5
Corynebacterium ................ didn't someone here on LB test positive for this? I don't remember who. It was in the last 6 months. Please come forward if so. Thank You.
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Post by grady on Jan 7, 2008 19:52:38 GMT -5
I'll repeat the post here BINGOStartling posts with our bug "Pseudomonas putida" found in Morgellons patients. Before you read these keep in mind that "Pseudomonas putida" is not highly effective at killing and replicating like "Pseudomonas aeruginosa" it's just putting us through heck and reacting with compounds, sometimes producing plastic, and all kinds of things. MORGELLONS PATIENTS ARE TURNING UP WITH OUR SUSPECT IN ALL KINDS OF TESTING Search for "Pseudomonas Putida" on this page www.thenmo.org/rwupda04.htm1) Individual red and blue Morgellons fibers were placed in bacterial media and cultured at body temperature. Isolates of those bacterial populations were grown on lab preparative media, blood agar, chocolate agar and a type of media that tends to support fungi better than bacteria. The bacteria were stained with various stains and observed both alive and dead. The bacteria were separated out into pure cultures (I think). PCR was performed and the amplified DNA was sent to a commercial sequencing lab to do the DNA sequencing. Two different bacterial species were identified. They were: a) Pseudomonas Putida and b) Corynebacterium efficiens. Does this identification mean anything? I do not know. Both of these can cause infections, especially in immunocompromised individuals. Both of these bacterial types are found in soil and can be found in skin.
I found many more references, I think I am going to have to group all of this information together and submit it to someone, with this new evidence that this bacteria can create plastics I think our bug has been hiding in plain site.
Now, the fact that I listened to two doctors, cross referenced there theorys, found a bacteria that will create plastics, and then back tracked it to PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of that very bacteria being cultured off of Morgellons fibers is pretty amazing, am I crazy here, I spinning around the room like a whirly top, I cannot contain myself, this cannot just be coincidence ..
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Post by toni on Jan 7, 2008 20:13:19 GMT -5
Kmarie,
YES, Corynebacterium...a friend of mine is positive for this.
Grady, I've sure got my fingers and toes crossed. It sounds logical, and thank you for your all your research. I've not read enough about it to comment, but I'm sure reading all you're posting.
Thanks!
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Post by grady on Jan 7, 2008 20:22:50 GMT -5
Randy S. Wymore is the very person who cultured "Pseudomonas Putida", my guess is they have no idea what it is capable of and that is converting compounds to platic ....
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Post by bannanny on Jan 7, 2008 20:34:36 GMT -5
I'm gonna be honest here....... I'm feeling real excited inside from everything I'm reading on this thread, but dam if I can grasp ahold of the whole thing. My mind just won't do it for me anymore. Are you saying that our bodies are producing plastic?? Where do the fibers and crystals and pods fit in....... and the terrible electrical zaps?
I hate having to ask for someone to explain something to me in laymens terms, but this is one of those times I need to do just that. So if you can, please tell me how this fits into the puzzle?? Also, I don't understand what it means when they say this can change our DNA.
Everything here sounds so good, but I still don't get it and I sure do want to.
hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by grady on Jan 7, 2008 21:05:22 GMT -5
The fibers are the plastic, also those poppers, and other crazy things, remember, this is somewhat unpredictable and will create different things based on what the bacteria is able to pull from the body, did you see suebe's wierd rubbery/plastic thick fiber thing. I have more news will post in new reply right now.
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Post by grady on Jan 7, 2008 21:16:02 GMT -5
I just got off of the phone with Dr. Staninger. She is very kind and working very hard on this problem. She stated that they are finding "carbohydrate plastic" in peoples stomachs and that some folks will ooze this white goo. In fact, I remember Connie who cured herself (or is at least holding her own) using NS that when she did a major purge said this "white stuff like cottage cheese" just came pooring out of her pours.
I cannot speak for Dr. Staninger and I'm paraphrasing from our conversation so don't take it verbatum, but I can only surmise that she has also seen this and had it tested, they are bewildered on how our bodies can be creating such strange plastic substances.
I sent her a synopsis of this thread, clear and consice, right down to back tracking "Pseudomonas Putida" to Dr. Randy Wymores own testing, culturing it right off of a Morgellons Fiber, that means something.
So, the information is in the best experts hands that we know of, Dr. Staninger and Dr. Kolb. God bless them.
NOW I must say that if this turns out not to be the cause I am so sorry, however, I feel so strongly that this is the cause, mostly because I found the bacteria that would do this and then to my amazement back tracked it to Wymore's testing, could there be a more clear smoking gun?. If I am wrong I will recend my membership and join under a new name - he he, just kidding ;D However, forgive me for getting everyones hopes so high, let's hope for the best though.
Everyone pray that the powers that be can really do the research and give it their best, I've had this nearly two years, and this is the closest I've ever come to figuring this menace out.
For those that want to do more research search for "P. putida CA-3" and plastic in Google, tons of info
Prayers up !!
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Post by robertalouise26 on Jan 7, 2008 21:46:24 GMT -5
Dearest Bannanny I am just as perplexed as you. This thing is starting to frighten the day lights out of me. Especially when the Doctor asks me to leave the room while she speaks to the Specialist!!!!!!!!!! I don't understand any of this the nano things and everything else but I do know that the Doctor is very very worried about my ears. I hate Hospitals and have just made a phone call to a lawyer and they cann't keep me against my will!!!!! I have put $20 aside to get a taxi home if I have to get out of the hospital. Thank God I got my pension today. So okay I will go tomorrow and see what he has to say. I will take my notes that I copied from the board and took heed of what Betsy told me to do. I think that she was quite perplexed that I knew so much about this Pseudomonas Putida or Aeruginosa. I went very quietly and just said that these are a few notes that some friends of mine in the States have done research on. I rang my pysch nurse that I don't have anymore because they say that I don't need her which is probably right. It is only in situations like this that I get paranoid about visiting hospitals. Averil assured me that I was not mentally ill and that they can not keep me against my will. All I have to do is sign a paper saying that I absolve them from any consequences that may occur if I don't follow up with the treatment they suggest. That has settled me down a bit and Averil has said that if I have any problems just to ring her. She is a lovely lovely Scottish nurse. I told Averil that I was really really put out when the Doctor asked me to leave the room while she rang the specialist. Averil "thinks" that I took too much information with me and didn't want to be embarressed in front of me. i am not allowed any drops in my ears when I told her that I thought that my right ear was punctured as when I put the drops in them they come out in my mouth and taste HORRIBLE!!! She wouldn't even give me any anti biotics that is up to the specialist. If it wasn't for you guys and me wanting an Awnser to this I WOULD NOT GO. I do not have a clue wether it affects any other part of our bodies. truely think that it does and I am quite sure that it is right through my body as I have never never ever been so lax in vacuuming and cleaing the house. I just have no energy. I make a big effort and take Kyra for a walk each day but it is getting shorter and shorter, and by the way this wretched Pseudomonas CAN AFFECT DOGS!!!!!!!!!!! nOW i HAVE SAID FROM DAY ONE OF GETTING THIS "WRETCHED WRETCHED THING" THAT i GOT IT FROM AYLA who I got from the humane Society and she was in very very very poor condition. I shampooed and woormed and de flead her and gave her supplements and she still got very very very sick. I knew that I was going to loose her if I didn't do something for her. in the beginning when I left home for work I covered her in cold wet towels that helped a little. Then I heard that aloe vera shampoo was very very good for mites and things. Well for 3 months I came home from work and shampooed her every night with timotea aloe vera shampoo and I AM VERY VERY SURE THAT IT SAVED AYLAS LIFE and helped me, and then about 18 months ago they took it off the market. I highly recommend it for humans and dogs. If you can find it please buy it and use it on yourself and your animals even cats Don't know what to expect tomorrow but will let you know as soon as I get home. Much much love to everyone. Roberta.
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Post by grady on Jan 7, 2008 21:55:01 GMT -5
Roberta, this doesn't sound good, signing that paper is trick, please wait for email before you go. I responded to your other post, something sounds fishy Roberta. Let me do some research ...
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Post by toni on Jan 7, 2008 22:11:05 GMT -5
Robbie,
Don't let things get you upset, (I know that's hard not to do) but we're all here, and can help however you need us to. And it's really hard to tell if Ayla is the one that had Morgellons from the Humane Society, cause here I've got Morgellons and we don't have a pet. And I know it could be, but maybe not. But most important is you keeping warm and taking care of your ears right now.
Just keep taking good care of you and Kyra.
And Grady, you're sure a good guy!!! And funny too, hahah How you said, "if" you have to change your name and come back that way! haha I got a kick out of that. ;D
Thanks Grady.
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Post by grady on Jan 7, 2008 22:33:36 GMT -5
Ever had crystals (Glitter) fall from your skin? I sure have, from my forehead, lots of it. Enzymes involving PCB degradation. BnzB ( Pseudomonas putida BE-81) Seems like Putida can create many things we see ...
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Post by skytroll on Jan 7, 2008 22:41:50 GMT -5
Grady, Even if it is the putida, or aerunginosa, those docs can find this. What we have to do is get info out here that explains how it was made, where is it, are there other avenues of this. Like you say it produces different effects. What we can do is get the info out here the best we can on it's origin. THANK YOU for this. You have broken down the door, now we must go in.......and bring out the best and brightest scientists to get on board with our docs. Hopefully, fear will not get in the way. I do not think this is totally a natural organism. There is something called Ploning, very close to Cloning. Let's check that out in relation to Putida and those like it. One they began with was this: Prochlorococcus "Furthermore, we successfully performed ploning on both fresh and frozen Prochlorococcus cells, and obtained nearly complete coverage on both strains (MED4 and MIT9312) we tested. Plones of single cells from an ocean sample (from the Hawaii Ocean Time-series) are being screened for Prochlorococcus cells for genome sequencing. Initial results indicate successful amplification of single Prochlorococcus cells from this sample. After further screening of genome coverage, whole genome shot-gun sequencing will be performed on a few selected plones." genomicsgtl.energy.gov/pubs/2005abstracts/html/file3.shtmlskytroll
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Post by robertalouise26 on Jan 7, 2008 22:46:11 GMT -5
Dearest Toni thank you sooo much for your comforting words. I am really really getting very very stressed out, about half an h our ago the Doctors Nurse Trish rand me and said that Doctor wanted me to go to the hospital right now because my ears are full of puss. Well I told her no way was I going at this time of the day 4.45pm Tuesday. Ihave no car no transport have to catch 4 buses and I have had this for nearly 12 years and I am sure that one more night wont make any difference. I tell you love they are scaring the wits out of me!!!!!!!The Doctor is a young and very good Doctor and I don't doubt tht she is right, but I told her tht I would absolve her from anything. That it is my fault for not going to her erlier etc etc etc. I think that she is very concerned about me ut also contious of her situation. A new Doctor (at the medical centre) and wants to prove herself. I understand that If anything bad happens during the night it will be my fault NOT HERS!!!! and I told her tht I would ell the Specialist that!!!!! i have plenty of pain killers but it is the wretched itching in the ears that is driving me batty. HOPEFULLY THIS SPECIALIST WILL SEE THE ACTUAL bugs/insects in my ears!!!!. I don't like them putting the fear of God in me.!!!!! It is svery upsetting. I will just take a couple more sleeping tablets that should see me through the night and then hey presto I go to the hospital in the morning. One of the things I hate about hositals IS THE WAITING TIME!!!! It can go on for hours and hours and as you have probably guessed i am not a very patient person. Thank you sooo much for thinking of me. I really really appreciate it love. All this going ons is really really upsetting me. I must ask Betsy what approach she thinks I should take tomorrow with the Specialist. I think the world of all of you!!!!!!!! and don't think that I could survive with out all of yu. Much much love. Robbie
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Post by ladybug on Jan 7, 2008 22:48:26 GMT -5
grady, that exact same weird crystal glitter was the first thing I ever saw when I looked at a small scraping from my own skin under a microscope, back when I first started to have symptoms.
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Post by skytroll on Jan 7, 2008 23:07:59 GMT -5
Grady,
I called them "sparklies" when I first got this. Same thing.
skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Jan 7, 2008 23:26:36 GMT -5
Roberta, You hang in there! And you are using your head, very wisely. You are on all our minds, and we wish you the best. Make sure you keep us posted. Grady, Do you think the fibers we see, could be flagella, either natural or unnatural? Here is the natural organism, read where it eats toulene. Did they ever think, it might get in the ground water, we live about 2 miles from tank farms. How close are some of you to tank farms? the oil tank farms? "Pseudomonas putida F1 (Bacteria 6.2 Mb) is a versatile environmental isolate that is capable of growth on several aromatic hydrocarbons, including benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene and p -cymene. Its broad substrate toluene dioxygenase has been widely utilized in biocatalytic syntheses of chiral chemicals, as well as in the metabolism and detoxification of TCE, and in the production of indigo from indole. P. putida F1 is known to be chemotactic to aromatic hydrocarbons and chlorinated aliphatic compounds and has the potential for use in bioremediation applications. Members of the genus Pseudomonas are characterized by their ability to grow in simple media at the expense of a great variety of organic compounds. They have a strict respiratory metabolism and are motile by one or several polar flagella. Pseudomonas putida strains show optimal growth between 25-30?C and are easily isolated from soil and water by enrichment culture in mineral media with various carbon sources. Pseudomonas putida F1 was isolated from a polluted creek in Urbana, IL by enrichment culture with ethylbenzene as the sole source of carbon and energy. P. putida F1 is one of the most well-studied aromatic hydrocarbon degrading bacterial strains. Well over 200 articles have been written about various aspects of P. putida F1 physiology, enzymology, and genetics by microbiologists and biochemists, in addition to more applied studies by chemists and environmental engineers utilizing P. putida F1 and its enzymes for green chemistry applications and bioremediation. Strain F1 grows well with benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and p -cymene. Mutants of strain F1 that are capable of growth with n -propylbenzene, n -butylbenzene, isopropylbenzene and biphenyl are easily obtained. In addition to aromatic hydrocarbons, the broad substrate toluene dioxygenase in strain F1 can oxidize trichloroethylene (TCE), indole, nitrotoluenes, chlorobenzenes, chlorophenols and many other aromatic substrates. Although P. putida F1 cannot use TCE as a source of carbon and energy, it is capable of degrading and detoxifying TCE in the presence of an additional carbon source. The ability of P. putida F1 to degrade benzene, toluene, and ethylbenzene has a direct bearing on the development of strategies for dealing with environmental pollution. For example, many underground gasoline storage tanks are leaking and contaminating groundwater supplies with benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene and xylenes (BTEX). P. putida F1 can oxidize all of these compounds and thus a detailed knowledge of the physiology and biodegradation capabilities of this organism will essential for providing the scientific foundations for the emerging bioremediation industry." Bet this is in ground water? Skytroll genome.jgi-psf.org/draft_microbes/psepu/psepu.home.html
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Post by doraisabel on Jan 7, 2008 23:59:49 GMT -5
Hey guys, Dr.HIldy did a biological monitoring test on me and I tested really high on toluene. She has done a report on this and I will take tomorrow to neurologist
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Post by betsy on Jan 8, 2008 0:21:03 GMT -5
Grady- It is exciting to have a new theory with promise.
I like the idea that your theory picks up existing pieces of data and incorporates them into a slightly new perspective.
1. At least 3 years ago (and even before that) Dr. Schwartz of Santa Fe identified the pathogen as Pseudomonas maltophilia and prescribed bactrim for his patients. He had a booklet printed at that time called Lisa's Disease, the Fiber Disease.
2. Dr. Wymore found a form of Pseudomonas on fiber samples a year or two ago but was not positive this was a cause of Morgellons. (Good work locating this information buried in the long post on MRF site.)
3. Just recently you connected with a Dr. Kolb of Atlanta who has Morgellon patients, has talked with the CDC and may have learned from them that Dr. Schwartz had reported Pseudomonas as the gram negative bacteria he had discovered.
You learned from Dr. Kolb that many of her patients had some connection to the sand or maybe even involvement with soil.
4. You talked with Dr. Hildy S. and learned that patients were testing positive for plastic tubing in their bodies (paraphrased from your paraphrase).
You researched Pseudomonas and found a strain that produces plastic as a bi-product of its interaction with host environment.
BINGO- you then married the two findings together into one theory in progress. Dr. Hildy had not stressed a particular bacteria but had stressed the PLASTIC findings. Dr. Schwartz, Dr. Wymore and Dr. Kolb had not mentioned plastic but felt a BACTERIA of Pseudomonas family was involved in some part of their findings.
Your research LINKED both pieces of information together: a bacteria that produces plastic.
Question: What do you visualize as our next step?
By the way, good work, Sherlock. Even if the theory doesn't pan out, or involves more complications, it is good logical work at this point. It seems to have been right under our collective noses all the time.
Extension: Natural vs created- So far in your theory the bacteria could be natural or man-made. If it was used to clean up environmental problem areas, it was man-made in the sense that un-natural concentrations were delivered to a specific site to perform a specific task. That is a form of man monkeying with nature even though the bacteria could have been used in a natural form.
It is more likely that bacteria used for any clean up work were enhanced or altered to make them more efficient at the task. That falls into the category of designer bugs created by labs.
Based upon your contact with both doctors, I may consider getting tested for Pseudomonas. I will consult with Dr. Hildy as to her opinion and which lab might do an accurate job. If I get a positive from her, I will probably ask my internal medicine doctor to order the test. Thanks, Grady.
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Post by robertalouise26 on Jan 8, 2008 0:27:37 GMT -5
Dearest Skytroll thank you soooo very much for your kind words, but it was Betsy who told me to take it softly with the Doctor She is a young Doctor and a very good Doctor but holy cow you would think I ws dying (which I am not) She couldn't tell wether it was Pseudomonas Putida or Aeruginosa. She tried and tried to get me to the hospital today. I just said I cann't just drop everything and go to the hospital. I have a dog to look after and I don't have a car. To get to the hospital I have to catch 4 buses. But what upset me skytroll that she asked me to leave the room while she spoke to the specialist. I wasn't happy about that at all. And then about 2 hours ago she got her nurse to ring me to tell me to get to the hospital as soon as possible. they are really really freaking me out. I said that I had, had this for nearly 12 years and I don't think that one more night will make any difference. I am quite sure it won't. She was upset that i hadn't been to her earlier and that this will reflect on her. I told her that I will tell the Specialist that it is not her fault, the fact is and was that I just cann'afford to to the Doctor all the time plus there is the chemists charges. We will just have to wait and see what the specialist says tomorrow. Betsy wisely said to say that I had friends in the States who were doing research in this area and had posted some facts to me of Pseudomonas Putida and Pseudomonas Aeruginosa. She said that there wasn't very much difference between them. I don't know skytroll. I just want to know what I have got and what will fix it!!!!!!!!!! and hopefully get some thing worth while to post to everyone on this board. I said that this is going to be our Yearyand I HOPE WITH ALL MY HEART IT IS. My ears Are playing up sooo much they are soooooo itchy but I cann't put anything in them until the Specialist has seen them, Well he will have to be blind if he cann't see what is going on in my ears the itching and leaking is awful will get to bed early take some sleeping tablets and go into the fray tomorrow. I know that i have to be calm cool and collected and not say too much let the Doctor do all the talking and asking the questions will let everyone now when I get home. I guess that he will do tests or take swabs and probably not get any awnser straight way. Love and best wishes. Roberta.
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