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Post by kammy on Nov 12, 2009 16:04:20 GMT -5
From Ruth's post above:
"In the late 1970s and early 1980s Rhizopus microsporus var. rhizopodiformis was found contaminating adhesive bandages and several post-surgical wounds were infected with this organism [812], [300], [2398]."
You guys remember the patent that Jen tried to get us to look at that described what our fibers could be... and they wanted to put them in adhesive bandages? Wonder if Jen is reading this thread and can find that patent for us?
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Post by Sidney on Nov 12, 2009 20:11:00 GMT -5
That concerns me too. Due to the name of this Forum, Lymebusters, "we" never make the Google Morgellons Alerts and that suits me just fine most of the time, for reasons that are obvious...and I'll spare you my opinion.
I have to wonder how that happened.
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Post by kammy on Nov 12, 2009 20:40:28 GMT -5
Ok... I tried to get it with the flash on first and that didn't work at all. So I turned it off and I think I got it good enough for you to able to make it out... Can you see the green stuff on top of the sample? Crazy eh? You can tell the moisture isn't covering the inside lid as much now too. Man, I wish the picture showed it as good as I can see it. I'll try and get a better pic during the day tomorrow. I got a feeling this is gonna make me set my scope up now... ooooh, I wish I didn't feel so much like a chicken. I forgot to say anything about those Hulle cells frito... got too excited! So they're associated with asperguillis eh? I think asperguillis is part of this mix too... don't you guys? love ya's ~~ bannannas Banny, your dish looks exactly like my and Jeany's Saliva Experiment dishes... I think Jeany is going to take a digital photo of one of them to show. One or more of your white spheres, uh, Hulle Cells - should turn into the white, cotton candy Rhizopus fungus any minute now...
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Post by fritolay66 on Nov 12, 2009 23:01:18 GMT -5
Hi Toni! I wanted to talk WITH you about the Bt or the transgenics. I want to think with you, not necessarily disuade you or otherwise influence you. As we have discussed before, you put your thoughts down regularly where as I have not. Soooo.....together then.... Transgenics are everywhere, not just in our morgie kitchens right? Biopesticides are also the same thing. Vaccinations too. Most have had them in one form or another. This crap is everywhere, and yes, it is being said that even those whom do not have the symptoms of Morgellons are testing positive for the presence of fibers or the entities associated with Morgellons. I keep asking myself why, if it is everywhere, is not more people suffering? I don't know, if these were the direct cause of Morgellons, then nearly everyone would have some symptoms or morphology of it. And I think they do, BUT. I am thinking perhaps the transgenics and such are producing general symptoms in the general public. I do believe it is a factor in morgellons, but perhaps not the causitive, a co-infection of sorts. With exposure to mold, and the horrendous affects we are discovering to that exposure and those mycotoxins, the transgenics et al. cannot really truly manifest until the immune system of the individual is compromised. Kinda of the key to the receptor site thing. This does not include genetic mutations or deficiencies. I don't know but perhaps genetic tendencies are becoming more of an identified issue because of all the tinkering with food and products, this and that. And the general public is becoming more sick at younger ages, it undeniable. I keep thinking about how this whole thing unfolded for me. Kinda trying to work out the chicken or the egg which came first thing. For me, it was mold and dirt exposure. Then bugs. Then Lyme. Now Morgellons. Granted it is more of a detailed progression, but the main points of progression should do here. I don't know. Not every sufferer of Morgellons has thought they had bugs either. I cannot account for them either. Mold/Fungus is the key to unlock the body to everything else. And then I keep thinking, that if what I am thinking may be true, this would be quite an embar assment to the CDC et al. Can you imagine the cases of negligence ensuing? Also, I am thinking that perhaps not all of us have the same moulds growing. If that is the case, then that would explain not only the comparible symptoms, but the diversified ones as well. I have read in sources that 80- 90% of Morgellons sufferers test positive for Lyme. Perhaps the ones in which did not attract the Lyme vectoring bugs are in that 10-20%. Or just perhaps Lyme is so widespread and is being denied. Anyone familar with the lyme arena knows the politics of it. Too much to explain here, and I think I already tried to explain it in the lyme forum part of Lymebusters. Or perhaps, considering the exposure to differing moulds, then the attraction for differing bugs or lack there of could be accounted for by the mould strain type exposure. Just thinking here. Thanks for being willing to bounce ideas of of each other. What do you think? In the highest regard. Frito Although I am really interested in what Toni thinks, I am also interested in anybody else whom would like to bouce ideas off this subject.
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Post by fritolay66 on Nov 13, 2009 0:41:03 GMT -5
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Post by fritolay66 on Nov 13, 2009 1:06:13 GMT -5
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Post by fritolay66 on Nov 13, 2009 1:07:30 GMT -5
MSH or lack there of as the cause of hypopigmentation, IMHO.
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Post by Sidney on Nov 13, 2009 1:25:16 GMT -5
www.morgellonsexposed.comThis website should be seen by everyone whether they actually suffer this disease or have a scientific interest. It's an outstanding, unique collection of images, theories and the result of years of effort on Jan's part. Thank you Jan.
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Post by bannanny on Nov 13, 2009 1:36:34 GMT -5
Are you a biologist or something frito? You sure know your stuff girl! I'm so glad we've got all you guys here who do know alot too. Kammy, jeany, ruth, toni... all you guys are like having our very own scientists! Sid, you asked frito... [glow=red,2,300]Frito, when you wrote about having fungus in your ears at age nineteen I wonder if you ever heard sort of scratching sounds and felt scratching sensations. I also wonder if you ever heard the "snap-crackle-pop" sounds or a high pitched whine, or dull roar that I heard in years past.[/glow] Everything you mentioned is what I have goin on in my left ear... haven't been able to hear out of it for a good 2 months now. I do the peroxide, get the sizzle, hold my nose and swallow, move my jaw from side to side... everything I looked up to try and unblock the ear and even tried a suction thing. Nothing works tho. I don't use q-tips anymore (seen too much movement in the things under the scope) but I'll take a face wipe and get in there to try and clean it out and what I do get out looks just like morg stuff. It's drivin me crazier than I've been feeling tho. So if you have any suggestions at all, I sure would appreciate it! I sure hope you don't have vertigo too... just what you need Sid. About your lab thread coming up ruth... Jeany pm'd me the other day and told me she'd been googling chaetomium. She went to some image results and on the 2nd row was a pic of chaetomium... and it linked right directly to MY acct. at Simpload. Said bannanny under it and everything. It's a pic that I uploaded a long time ago from the web, but how it got a link for the whole world to click on and take them to my acct. and all my personal pics, I have no idea. It links right into my acct. tho where everything I have can be seen. I have a whole page of pics there and you can take it from there thru my whole acct... and I have about 20 pages of pics. But it was just a thumbnail of the pic she googled at the top of my page... and the description and all was written in German! I'm waiting for another reply from Simpload now... but yeah, it's all pretty weird eh? I remember reading something about genetics being involved with this frito. It was an article released by the NIH I think. I'll try to find it, but lilsissy did a thread on it that's somewhere in the archives here. It was decided the page was a hoax of some kind I think... lilsissy where are you? I wish these 2 mold threads could become one. But since they aren't I'll just keep pasting parts from one to the other if need be. So I'm gonna do it again here about something I just don't get, that you might be able to help me figure out... I sure would like to know what kind of mold can infect a person's body, and that person becomes the one who infects their home, and car, and clothes, and everything else from there? The way I've always known it to work is mold grows in the environmnet first, THEN a person becomes infected by it second, not the other way around. Maybe it's one of the other components of morgs that's causing it to work in reverse... or does that even make any sense? It worked that way for me anyway... I was the one who got morgs first, then my clothes, my sweet dogs, my environment, and my car all became contaminated from me and after me. Total reversal from the way I've always known things to work. Ok, now I'm pasting just my mold pics part from the other mold thread here too becuzzzzz.... You had a good idea asking to merge these 2 mold threads Sid... will they be able to do it? Sure would be easier than goin back and forth and almost posting the same things on both. Except for wanting to reply to something that's only on one of the threads, guess we could just copy and paste from one to the other for the mold parts eh? Well, I'm just gonna copy and paste the mold part and pics from this post on the other thread anyway, just so our pics can be compared and all. But the biggest reason being, who knows who's reading what threads as far as folks from hospitals, institutes, research, and government goes... and I want to be sure everyone see's what we're doing and the results we're getting. Now for the results so far... (I'm gettin confused with my posts tho, so if you've already read a sentence or 2 of it, it's cuz I'm copying and pasting parts from here to there and back again... but trying to just keep it to the mold and pic results) I still have the moisture on the inside of my dish... it's starting to dissipate now tho. But I looked at it last night while I was posting on the other mold thread... and guess what? I have 2 areas growing now that look pale green and fuzzy! I took a quick pic last night but it didn't come out very well. But it was good enough to be able to see green. First, here's one of my pics before anything started to grow. You can also see all the moisture that was there at first (the reflection of pink and blue is the jammies I was wearing, duh)... Then last night while I was posting, I went to the kitchen to get a cig (I keep 'em in the freezer.) That's when I looked at it again and noticed something else was finally in the dish. It's a bad pic I know, but you can still see where it's got some greenish growth on it now. Plus, you can see here how the moisture had dissipated somewhat (just like frito said it would do, she's so smart!)... (I just had to insert this real quick cuz it blows me away how smart you guys are... but you knew exactly what was gonna happen kammy!) So I looked at it again this morning (about 10 AM) and there was even more growth on it than there was last night. But geeeeze you guys, this stuff sure does grow fast! I went to take pics of it again... and it has way more in it now than there was just 4-5 hours ago! Now there's also white fluffy growth on it and the rolled out gel is separating into orange looking strips (I've been seeing alot of those lately.) It's also got some black/brown spots in it as well now. I don't know why my pics keep comin out blurry... I even set my camera to close-up and tried it that way, but it wouldn't even take the pic. Didn't help much to hold it up to the window either cuz it's stormy out today. So then I tried it with the flash, but got no pic at all. It's a good thing mom's here today, cuz she held the dish for me in some of the pix and they came out the best! Anyway, I'm sorry for the blur, but at least they're good enough to be able to tell what's goin on... In the first pic (above) the lid's still on, but look how much more it grew from last night! Then in the short time between 10 AM and 3 PM today, the gel had started separating into strips, the white fluff appeared, and so did the brownish black spots! You can see more of the brownish black spots at this angle (greenish stuff reminds me of a muppet or somethin in this one.) Tried goin to another room to see if I could get a better pic, but I held the dish myself while I took it. As you can see, it came out even worse. But the angle shows better how big it's gotten anyway. But I'm really just posting this one cuz it looks so weird! It's weird in this pic how the 2 piles of the greenish stuff (under the the brown/black spots) almost blends right in to the white fluffy stuff at this angle. But see how the sample I put in the dish from my hands is separating into single strips now? In these last 2 pics, mom held the dish up to the window for me... so the lid stayed on. That's why you see the moisture, cuz it's on the inside of the lid. There were only 2 small greenish spots in the dish last night and still that way this morning... this was only 4 hr's later. I can't believe how fast it's growing. My mom thinks it's demonic. I took this one of it at the same window where I took the one above, but took it further away this time. It came out a little more clear anyway. So there it is... we should give ourselves the nickname "Moldy Oldies" eh? ;D hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by toni on Nov 13, 2009 8:18:03 GMT -5
heheheh (moldy oldies) Bannanny you're so funny! ;D
GREAT pics too!
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Post by toni on Nov 13, 2009 9:09:57 GMT -5
Hi Frito,
I sure appreciate all your thoughts about how this could be and your thinking of possible sequence of events to it all.
Lots of good logical thoughts.
I have a bit of a different twist on it...
Basically, I feel what's happened are two thoughts.
Simply put, there was a bad batch (unstable) food product out there, and we all, the ( infected/contaminated ) were the Morgs lottery ticket holders - the unlucky innocent victims of a bad batch.
(sort of like the melamine in the pet food)...that was a hit and miss, because whomever purchased that particular pet food product then became an innocent victim of a toxic bo-bo.
Same as Bausch and Lomb with their eye wash. That too was a hit and miss, and the unlucky people scattered from one area to another, they too then fell victim to a contaminated product once it was fed.
So in essence, I see us as that unlucky victim (to a bad batch) to put it simply.
Or...and on the same path - because of our genetic makeup we all have a commonality to begin with.
Our bodies (because of our genetic makeup) have the potential or the incapacity to tolerate (as in allergic) to react to certain gm'ed foods. In that "reaction" we, our makeup could be causing an expression unintended.
I feel everything we're seeing, the multicolored particles, the black specks, the growths of fungi, the bacterial pathogens in common, not all, but many - I believe this is all an event of exogenous expressions from genetically engineered food. ( expressions from improper folding of proteins, etc.)
I also believe it's cumulative (eating gm'ed) foods, and maybe it's only a particulate, but maybe not. So because of that, no one is completely immune, it's all in a matter of time.
Which one? Don't know. But something is causing (within us) a great instability, many commonalities, but not completely in common events, illnesses, whether it be us (our makeup) or the actual product itself is unstable, and the oddities (we are seeing, the blue specks black specks ALL of it) are not simply...but mere exogenous expressions.
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Post by toni on Nov 13, 2009 9:36:23 GMT -5
Forgot to add the hair movement and the electrical aspect above of the oddities or expressions also happening. One thing I've had thoughts on too, is "our cytokine storms" in our body are inhanced by lunar cycles - and contaminations in the body. Imho, that's holding with Morgellons. I believe that's why particular meds, like Ivermectin/stromectol "calms the cytokines", not rids, but relieves our symptoms. I feel keeping a lid on this is crucial because alzheimers, and so many other diseases can be brought on to the body because of this "storm" of cytokine activity. That imho is what's also playing a hand in the cancer aspect of all this too. Alittle on the cytokines from an article: They have very important roles in a whole range of body functions from general maintenance through regulating inflammatory responses to directly interfering with invading pathogens. Cytokines are produced in large amounts by many cells but are very potent even at minute concentrations. Their action is usually limited to affecting other cells in the local area of their production but they can also have an overall systemic effect acting much like hormones. Cytokines act on other cells by bonding to cytokine receptors on the surface of cells. We assume that each cytokine has its own particular cytokine receptor, but only some of the cytokine receptors have been identified so far. The difficulty in finding cytokine receptors is that there are so few of them on each cell, between 10 and 10,000. With so few it is difficult to purify them and identify their structure. Cytokine binding to cell receptors can induce a significant change in cell activity and production of proteins. Also awhile back I'd posted some interesting info on these, and how when there's no "gravity" as in space, the cytokine activity was nil. Yet, the lunar cycles do affect them in our body. That imho, is why "Morgs" seems to be more inhanced at approx the beginning of every month - and again approx the middle of each and every month. Cytokine Storms: Cytokine storms have potential to do significant damage to body tissues and organs. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_stormAnd cytokines doing their thing : www.keratin.com/am/am023.shtml
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Post by toni on Nov 13, 2009 10:56:25 GMT -5
Sorry...one other thing about the Bt. (wanted to add this) First something else, wonder if we should move these posts (about this subject) to another thread, since this is the mold thread? We can do that guys, if you'd like? These data, including recent epidemiologic work indicate that spore-containing BT products have an inherent capacity to lyse human cells in free and interactive forms and may also act as immune sensitizers. findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CYP/is_10_108/ai_68148360/
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Post by Sidney on Nov 13, 2009 11:52:17 GMT -5
Toni-Sue, I think it's appropriate to leave the posts here.
If related to the discussion thread I say leave them. You guys decide.
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Post by toni on Nov 13, 2009 12:03:45 GMT -5
Thanks Sid. That's how I feel, what ever anyone else would like to do, is fine with me too. I just didn't want to go off on a GM subject on your mold thread...even though there's "imho" a connection, hahah ( how that's one- imho ). hahahhahaa I just can't help it
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Post by Sidney on Nov 13, 2009 20:26:09 GMT -5
tinyurl.com/yhy9yztExcellent images of various species of Aspergillus and other molds fungi-growing in Petri Dishes.
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Post by bannanny on Nov 14, 2009 2:02:53 GMT -5
Ya know... you're one smart cookie toni. Even for me, what you said made alot of sense. I never understood cytokines at all... now I do a little bit anyway. The word's always sounded electrical to me too... don't know why. CYTOKINE STORM... oooooh, it even makes me feel electrical! Ok, latest pic from this AM, altho it's grown even more since then... Lots of blackish stuff now and it's almost reached the top of the lid. There's a funny one on the other thread too. Thanks for the pics Sid... 1040... Moldie Oldie sayin g'night!
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Post by kammy on Nov 14, 2009 8:12:31 GMT -5
Of course, we're leaving the threads... what if I went in to both of them and took out the pertinent posts and photos and created a web or blog page? Of course, quoting the author of the post. Then you could make a copy of that page to show your doctor or whomever? Is this agreeable to everyone?
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Post by toni on Nov 14, 2009 11:11:52 GMT -5
Bannanny, Thanks . You know mine too, which I'll get the pic of the mold in my petri looking greenish like yours, was that way at day 2 of it's growth. This picture below is at day 3 of planting some "morgs pickings" in the center, and all sprouted out from that (the fluffy cottony hyphae and the center then darkened). The sides were first to sprout hundreds of spores.
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Post by toni on Nov 14, 2009 11:38:23 GMT -5
Day 2 petri dish. There's a greenish in mine too, then it turned dark. It's also got spores formed already too.
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