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Post by toni on Jun 9, 2012 10:05:58 GMT -5
Okay Baraka, ;)I'm (almost ready to say) they're not spores
they're bugs like you said! hehehe
And...I'll say that just as soon as I'm sure, which I HOPE can
be soon.
In fact, I'm beginning now to lean myself to "they're bugs of
some kind" *like you'd said initially*....but I sure don't know
what kind, and I can't say I'm 100% positive yet, but....
I will say, they are looking more like "critters" to me too.
I've been writing and sending the pictures out, but STILL
no replies.
I don't know where everyone is (mycologists and ento's)
because my goodness, they all can't be that burnt out on
giving their opinions of specimens, which is all I've asked
of them.
I won't stop writing till we can get at least a few answers
or rather "opinions of experts". That way, if they're all in
sync, then we can be pretty sure, without tests done.
Baraka, I was also looking at the Bombyx Mori "caterpillar" yesterday.
Your pupa specimens are hard to match up, because of
the state their in, which they may have been "eaten" a
tad from stomach acids.
So what I'm trying to do too is find something "that looks
like *what* they'd look like if they weren't hollowed out
or without detail. I know molts occur, and several actually
happen with those critters. Just can't find "that particular"
molt stage.
Now Jeany's specimen, which no one knows the size of that,
looks like the Bombyx Mori to me in "a particular stage of it's
growth cycle".
Be back with some pictures.
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Post by toni on Jun 9, 2012 10:31:16 GMT -5
 These are what look like Jeany's specimen to me. I wish they were "turned over" because they have those two horn spikes also. The Bombyx Mori. It molts like 8 times or something, maybe I'm mixing that up with 10 million others I've looked at.  But, they keep changing each time they molt to different degrees. So I know the pictures here I've pulled off the internet from different sites, "may only be just a different stage they're in". The interesting thing about Jeany's specimen was that there's more detail, and we don't know the size either of hers, which could imho (be the same as that guy holding it in the first picture) posted. Or maybe that's the size of the Bombyx after it comes out of the cocoon. They keep getting bigger of course throughout the stages they go through, but start out "super tiny". So because yours "appears to be the same" - the Bombyx Mori (genetically engineered ALSO) has that "cap on it" - what you call the "swivel", and that pops off at "one of the molts", which that was sort of interesting too - actually very interesting. What do you think? |
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Post by toni on Jun 9, 2012 10:40:36 GMT -5
Here's alittle on the Bombyx Mori caterpillar: They've engineered them (modified) so that this particular species can spin "stronger silk". scienceblog.com/51460/hybrid-silkworms-spin-stronger-spider-silk/From this link quote: It’s something nobody has done before,” Fraser says. The project, which used Fraser’s piggyBac vectors to create transgenic silkworms with both silkworm and spider silk proteins, was a collaboration of his laboratory with Donald Jarvis and Randolph Lewis at the University of Wyoming. Jarvis’s lab made the transgene plasmids, while Fraser’s lab made the transgenic silkworms and Lewis’s lab analyzed the fiber from the silkworms. Results showed that the fibers were tougher than typical silkworm silk and as tough as dragline silk fibers produced by spiders, demonstrating that silkworms can be engineered to produce such improved fibers. |
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Post by toni on Jun 9, 2012 10:49:03 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Jun 9, 2012 10:54:28 GMT -5
This article has pictures of this caterpillar the Bombyx at again, another "molted stage", but you can see the "horn spikes" on this one. It's more developed, but they're seen. The "lines of that caterpillar" and going by Jeany's that seems to look like yours, her's I'd say is even more developed than these in this article. www.molbio.upol.cz/stranky/vyuka/OSE2/2011/Berkova.pdf |
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Post by toni on Jun 9, 2012 11:47:21 GMT -5
One thing too I have to say is....(on my behalf) because things become misconstrued, or can. I know as much as the next guy, which is we're all in the same boat, seeing different aspects of Morgellons. And I can "only know what I see with my own eyes", if you know what I mean. I don't know if "larvae" hatched because they were "factually" from your stomach, and you don't know either "right"  Because you had that toilet lid down for 3 weeks, and then discovered your specimens in there. So, imho, "they could have".....hatched from something laying eggs in there (after they found food). But, I want you to know I'm only saying this because "that's just how I am". I have to have seen it actually happen for me to "be solid with it". I'm the - "I need a club upside the head before I believe it kind of person". hahahah I hope you know what I mean. But all that means is, (I have to see it all from start to finish) before I can say the words "for certain" without a doubt. I can speculate, or assume, or presume, but...that's not 'factual'. So whether or not "gnats or caterpillars" or "plant" or bacteria/viruses/etc who knows what is (the culprit) who knows?? I'm still wondering if critters just aren't attracted to the delicious stuff we secrete, and I hope you know what I mean. I'm not dis-regarding anything, I'm just 'thick'. hahaha -not really. ;DBut I have to SEE it, feel it, taste it, with anything, so Morgs isn't anything different. I only want to help ID what is being seen. Just like you do. |
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jun 9, 2012 13:18:22 GMT -5
My pest pictures are whole they do not have anymore parts, you can even see they have antenna on them perfect and beautiful not bent or broken.
These pests if inside the stomach are not bothered by stomach acid at all, in fact, because this is where they came from possibly the stomach would be a part of their life cycle.
I have cultured a batch of them, I can see the same bug, it flys, when developed into this flying insect it has legs.
The bug walks in a jerking motion. It does not stay put long real nervous like creature, it would be very hard to get a good picture of.
Have you ever seen a tiny wasp like creature the jerks all over the place, it is like a miniature one of those.
It is a little bigger longer than a flea, maybe twice as long.
I will get one sooner or later to take pictures with.
The sample was put into a zip lock freezer bag in a clean glass cup.
That does not mean something did not chew its way through, but the bug in the bag now is the same flying insect that was in the toilet when I came home.
IN FACT these flys are still coming out from under the toilet bowl rim, and I am not going to stick my head in there to investigate, LOL.
I can not see them in 15 days or so having a sexual cycle, then I do not know anything about bugs.
I think Jenie's bug is exact except hers is broken, you can see very well the antenna spaced correctly and in the same place.
As far as the silk dude worm, he looks like a very nice meal, fried chocolate covered yummy.
I have pictures and ALL the specimens look exactly the same, that one picture is PERFECT and I think scabdragger and Jenny's are the same, still Jenny's looks like it has been damaged and I wish it was a whole picture.
I think I will be able to capture a picture of the flying insect that seems connected to these pictures.
So far they are where the other is and this time the stomach contents were in a sealed bag. SOOOOOO, we may have found nothing at all, one parasite that ONLY morgellons victims have, or we may have found a parasite that is used in agriculture and likely in the anyone that eats fresh food, and if this is true it could be genetically modified giving it the ability to live inside humans easily.
This gives me a idea, search for bugs used in agriculture.
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Post by scabdraggr on Jun 9, 2012 13:29:58 GMT -5
scabdraggr has a vid on you tube, check the morgellons worm caterpillar vid
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jun 9, 2012 13:43:42 GMT -5
PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THE URL HERE. SCABDRAGGER. To do this get the video you want to post on You Tube playing on your computer, go up to the URL on the top...., the address box, where you see the www or http,..... right click on it, a drop down box will open,....... click on COPY,..... when you make your post on lymebusters Right click on the place where you would type your words...... a drop down box will open, click PASTE. Thats it, thats all there is to it. I have found what seems to be a kind of lure into this subject of agricultural TINY, MINUTURE wasps that parasitize other harmful crop bugs. Untill I get a good picture of it I will not know if any of these could be the pest, it seems possible. www.google.com/search?q=Trichogramma+pictures&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADSA_enScab dude your always so positive about things, no black and white in your books, GOOD FOR YOU !! I want to thank you scabdragger for all the work you have done, its the people that have microscopes that will possibly find some answers. I want a microscope like that dentist has, you can clearly see the bacteria. I just wonder if that was like a dark field, normal optical digital Microscope. They do have these with the flip of a switch you go from one to the other and blood cells are like real big. |
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Post by scabdraggr on Jun 9, 2012 13:49:46 GMT -5
Bo ask frankie to lift the ban so i can find my sick friend that is dying,please!
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Post by toni on Jun 9, 2012 17:13:10 GMT -5
Hey guys, check this out (maybe?) University of Maryland Here's what they say: Saturday, June 09, 2012 Send A Question Submit your question to HGIC's staff of experts! Complete our question submission form and receive a personal answer to your question. If you are trying to identify a plant or insect, please send a
digital photo if possible. This place I've not "yet" sent anything to, do you want to??? www.hgic.umd.edu/faq/sendAQuestion.cfm |
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jun 9, 2012 20:07:24 GMT -5
Scab dude, I will think about the request, still Franky is his own boy and no matter what you imagine it was not me that contacted Franky about banning you. I think you may know who did that.
I will ask if I can help you? Can I send him her a PM or post asking how to get in touch with this person.
TONI your always coming up with ways to further the knowledge. Good deal. I will try to get you a picture of the fly.
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Post by scabdraggr on Jun 9, 2012 23:53:00 GMT -5
Bo,I am aware of who is protecting the dr's interest in this dilemma we call morgellons.That person has blood on her hands.If you can help get the ban lifted I would be so grateful.It was only suppossed to be until last Monday.You must know by now that my heart is in the right place.
Maybe talking about how to help children with Morgellons is over the line but watching a Mother hold a dying child is more than I can bear.Kids have this and to neglect them as a group is a type of prejudice that we cannot afford to accept.If we don't protect our children from disease then what kind of a society have we become.
No one else has started this conversation anywhere because of one small person.Children can heal and for her to stand in the way is intolerable.
I understand frankie's positionbut for her to claim she has a sick child with M and then tell me to shut up about how to treat them is unfathomable to me as a man that raised his 3 kids by himself.
maybe we need to start a thread about how sick the children are but now I am afraid to do so as many will suffer If the truth cannot be heard anywhere.
Perhaps my suggesstions need to be modified to disclaim them being for humans.It's just that the little ones that are born with the black specks all over the fetus that live to be either autistic or handicapped in many ways don't have to grow up without ever seeing how beautiful that life can be.The little pnes with the distended abdomens are so in need of help and God is my witness that I can help them.
I'lll not open my mouth about kids or treatments on an open forum on that site if he will lift the ban. Thanks Bo,I'll return the favor and Toni has pics of the adults that i sent her today.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jun 10, 2012 0:47:48 GMT -5
I really hope you can be trusted to do as you say and not lure people to do somthing that may be harmful, this stuff bothered my damaged kidneys. I know they are already messed up but still.
I do not want any children to be harmed by this disease, neither do I want them to gobble horse meds without testing. This I can not help, your answers to questions are usually really vague or suspect.
I can say this and that at the top of my lungs that does not mean it is true.
Anyway, I do not carry any weight with Franky, he also banned me once,
I will mention it to him do not make me sorry I did, please.
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Post by scabdraggr on Jun 10, 2012 8:18:52 GMT -5
Bo,we often suspect things we don't understand.What question have i not answered? Where was I vague? How can I turn my eyes from all the healing that has occurred.You need to hear the real story of healing that is now going on with so many.I don't sell,I don't promote others products,I simply tell the truth.Healing can happen for those that have M.It's so easy to cure.Would you like to hear from those that have followed the treatment plan and have healed.Find me one that has been hurt by my plan.They don't exist.So far the only complaint has been from you.I understand Morgellons completely.Challenge me! I'm waiting.
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Post by scabdraggr on Jun 10, 2012 8:28:10 GMT -5
Bo,do you know how to get species of bugs that are 350,000 years old out of someone's body? It is quite a task,especially when ddt doesn't kill them outside in our enviroment.
I am aware of how to copy links and paste them here but the pics have to be done differently.First I have to move them to PB then They have to be placed in an album and then uploaded to here.I have almost 6,0000 pics and over a hundred videos of the bugs and damage in the body.I look after many people and thr hours photographing what searching yields takes up much of my day but I do enjoy sharing the work that has been done.It's time thats the enemy, for me.Thanks Bo for trying to elp with this situation.
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Post by scabdraggr on Jun 10, 2012 8:32:08 GMT -5
Toni,entomologists have difficulty id'ing bugs from another era.Wait till you see the est of my work and those bugs.A psychiatrist friend was looking at the things on my hand a year ago when a bug came up nd out of my skin right before his eyes.I grabbed it up and tore his notes to wrap it in and he flipped out with hios mouth wide open and said what bjust happened? My response was,dude nothing happened,you're delusional! Turn about is fair play,right?
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jun 10, 2012 12:13:17 GMT -5
Look here, I am old but not 350, 000 years old, LOL, 350,000 years old, age of this species was proved how, LOL, species age matters in what way exactly.
How would a old bug differ from a new bug.
They have found a bug they say goes back 420 MILLION YEARS now how in the world have they IMAGINED that age, 420 years, LOL.
I suggest there is a lot of guessing going on in this world by people that assume they are the last word on facts, facts they can not prove mean anything in the light of day or are even close to being true.
For a long time it was a fact that milk calmed your stomach, really, it seems now the fact of the matter is milk makes the stomach produce acid which aggravates the problems at hand, now that sounds plausible to me, then its just the new fact.
Once upon a time it was a fact that the world was flat, and then along came a man that said the world was round, he was a fool they said, more dangerous was the fact that this teed off the church and that my friends made him a hieratic, the church was going to kill him, but they persuaded him to recant and just be subjected to lifelong house arrest, LOL. Oh well
I guess facts can be right or wrong, then they could be just a popular belief told so long that even scientist believe them and base their studys on the first fact which was a FALACY
I like any information, then it should be sort of believable, not convoluted with information that can not be proved in any way.
You know I love what you did to that doctor, LOL, grabbed his pad paper he was using to write the world according to Scabdragger book and then snagged up the 350,000 year old bug,LOL, I would give a 10 million year old bug to see his face when you pulled that one on him, you got me falling off my chair here.
World funniest videos would have me rich for that video.
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Post by scabdraggr on Jun 10, 2012 12:51:50 GMT -5
one of my favorite moments,Glad it made someone else laugh.I can't prove that the bugs are from that period but at this point my theory is better than none.Maybe Toni can get some id's of the bugs for us as the species are hard to pin down.That sounds better than trying to pin it to some specific date or event by me.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jun 10, 2012 14:59:50 GMT -5
Holly cow, I believe we just made some real progress, thanks Scab dude, that has me imagining we could some day really dispute the theories about this ugly monster.
That we could do it with all information not just one idea.
There are many people here that are of above average intelligence, some are better at one thing or another, some can read and retain better, some can read and understand better, some are advanced literate, some are problem solvers and experiment, comparison subjective, they have worked in the health field. If we were all in the same room and we all had microscopes and rudimentary experiments going I do believe we could narrow down alot of what is going on.
Real science professionals most likely would be needed to pinpoint what we narrowed down, electron microscopes, specimen dye, dark field microscopes, chemical analysis possibly and the scientist to unravel the results, that's why I think we need to work at this without guess work, real and positive results could come from this.
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Because you had that toilet lid down