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Post by toni on Nov 13, 2015 13:11:44 GMT -5
Hmm strange that you did not frost, hope it works for you. I will only do sections of my face at a time, don't want to panic. Funny about the hair, yours got thicker and I lost half of mine since morgellons, it has finally stopped falling out, thank God. My hair is so thin now, nails grow faster though, what a weird disease we have. The pain thing I have not noticed with bumps etc.
I don't know about the hair thinning part Ruth, and I'm sure glad for you that your hair stopped shedding. I wonder, (I don't know though) but.... from reading, sometimes hormones can play a huge part in women and men too, if our "balance is off", like for us, our estrogen. If we lack it, women over 40 begin to see drier skin, hair thinning, and even hair growth on the face. Those are signs that estrogen is low, and the androgens are high. But only a test at the doc's would be able to give you the numbers, and that would tell you if the balance is off.
What I'd read years ago too about was about "hair follicles", and those androgens being high for women over 40. It's all a gradual thing to, and over the years, lots of people just say "it's a hereditary thing"...but, that's putting it very "vastly" - to where a lot of people don't understand the mechanics of it.
The hereditary part is (if the parents had strong receptors in their follicles that attract DHT), which is the hormone associated with androgens/testosterone that kills a follicle. The follicles get congested "microscopically" and the follicle dies.
But when the DHT is removed, the follicle comes back to life, and it can do that within the first few years of noticing the thinning, or shedding. After that, it shrinks up so much it can't produce.
This sounds odd, but, (it's in the books) hahaha (that if you were to use Retin A) in some kind of a bottle (even mixed with a tad of bottled/pure water), and used an eyedropper to deposit Retin A on the scalp, it could really help exfoliate those follicles and get them stimulated to grow-just like skin cells, which are hair is that too. In fact I've read about how Copper Peptides (from Neova) I say that about Neova because there's so many places out there that advertise, that are not the real GHK Cu peptides, and Neova is....but even 1/2 and 1/2 of each (Neova CP's mixed with Retin A) and applied diligently on the scalp (would be a bit expensive)...but, it could get your follicles back in business, before they can't.
And maybe read about vitamins that help women keep the androgens "down to a minimum too". They're not our friends, haha
Nor are they mens friends. Men have the same things going on basically, too much DHT deposit in the follicles, means hair loss. A lot of men think that "their dads had hair loss, so that's in store for them".
It is, but it isn't. It only means, they've got a great chance of having those "strong DHT receptors", so in turn, if they don't do anything about it, like (lessen those receptors), then the DHT will affect the follicles.
When women begin to grow 'dark and or coarse hairs' on their face (that is the biggest red flag) that the androgens are (taking over)...and that isn't what we want.
There is a med called Spirolactone (sp?) I'm close in the spelling, but they do have 25% mg (which is super low mgs) and that is also used as an 'androgen blocker'.
I took Spirolactone years ago, a p.surgeon said it would be good to "keep anything like that from even happening" ...and I only took it for just over a year, and to this day, like 12 years later, I still don't have any "androgen/DHT problem" - I know it doesn't last (that long) hehe but.....no hairs on the face, and no sign of DHT affecting follicles. I also take Pumpkin Seed Oil and Saw Palmetto, (I know they're mostly advertised) for men, but...women need them too. They're a mild "androgen blocker/DHT blocker".
www.iherb.com/product-reviews/Doctor-s-Best-Best-Saw-Palmetto-Standardized-Extract-320-mg-60-Softgels/24/?p=1 This is just a link to see what others are saying, even though it's a vitamin site, there's many others too.
Here's another.
www.wisegeek.com/how-effective-is-saw-palmetto-for-hair-regrowth.htm
Quote: The reason saw palmetto has proven effective in preventing or delaying baldness is because the herb can successfully thwart the effects the hormone dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which is responsible for male-patterned alopecia. DHT is an androgen that reduces the size of hair follicles, choking off new hair growth and causing hair to fall out. This condition generally afflicts men who are age 30 and above; women with high levels of testosterone due to menopause or hormonal abnormalities can also be affected. Studies have shown that using saw palmetto daily can lower the amounts of DHT being produced and absorbed by follicles on the scalp. End of quote.
They also mentioned another herb that's helpful, I've never heard of it till now.
I don't know if any of this is helpful, but if it is, then that's great.
And then...who knows, maybe morgs is playing a part, and then the only thing we can do, is understand that follicles "do get" congested, so it is good to use "hair washes' that not only stimulate our follicles, but...that shed or exfoliate the congestion of the DHT.
That brings me to the "mustard wash"....it's GREAT for exfoliation when used in shampoo daily too. It's got natural "salicylic acid in it"...which is why it can burn the skin, (and it too can cause a peel) of all things *if it's left full strength on the skin*. I recently learned that about the mustard, sort of took it for granted it had sort of the (same constituent as tea tree oil and oregano oil in it) but it doesn't. Daily in the shower, 1 tsp mixed with your body and or shampoo, is beyond exhilarating, and the skin and hair are left SO wonderfully clean, you won't believe it. I mean that really honestly is how I feel when I get out of the shower anymore, it's "that great" after washing head to toe with (the mixed up dishsoap, is what I use, mixed with the dry mustard), and it's just TOO darn great. And it will gently over each shampoo exfoliate. Don't want to leave it on too long, probably 5 min on the head at a time in the shower. The ONLY thing one must be careful of is: don't get that mustard wash in your eyes accidentally. I did once, and well...it felt like TCA in my eyes. And it took forever to stop burning, even after 10 min of flushing my eyes out. Wow that was bad-but the benefits outweigh the "concern I do have" about getting it in my eyes again. I'm just super careful now when I leave it on my head while I'm in the shower. I make the shampoo real thick, so it doesn't drip, or I just don't tip forwards, like to shave my legs or something like that or it will run into your eyes. (that's what I did) and fire would have been better (than getting that in my eyes).
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Post by itchin4answers on Nov 14, 2015 2:58:43 GMT -5
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Post by itchin4answers on Nov 14, 2015 16:41:07 GMT -5
Something I've recently noticed, a "not good thing" , or it seems that way to me. That when I bump into anything, you know with my hand, not that I'm clumsy, just normal stuff like kicking your toes into a chair leg, just "stuff" like that where one hurts themselves accidentally, stupid stuff hahaha but, what I've noticed, is this: It HURTS more than ever before. I mean the pain sensors must be really hyped up. My skin feels ultra sensitive, I mean I can feel the follicles sprouting a hair (it seems) not that I really can, I don't think but....it sure feels like it. And when I bump my arm or elbow on something accidentally, I feel like a train ran into me in that area, it's "that painful" and it will bruise "it seems" more easily too. I know that's not good either. Hi Toni, I'm pleased you mentions this because yes I have that too, so does my son. I have bruised easily for most of my life, and I am noticing that too in my son. If you take one of my diagnoses of Fibromylagia, now people with this hurt even with just a touch, yes that's so true. Someone can "knock" my leg by accident and I would give an almighty "ouch"....now I'm not weak, it hurts! Hi Ruth, So nice to read about how you are going. Pleased also you mentioned about the muscle mass. Yes, this is a big issue for me. After talking with Mum yesterday I mentioned the Whey protein and Mum too had bought some to try to build some muscle. I'm waiting on my order, thank you for that toni and since I can not believe what I see in the mirror I thought I'd buy one in the interim. This one I bought is different, the young guy in the chemist was so helpful, and even asked the pharmacist to check a couple of things for me. I can not have folic acid, and I hope, that I'm sure it won't, the one I ordered doesn't have folic acid in. I forget so many important things...and I can not afford for that, not with my health. This powder I got the Whey is chocolate flavoured and ok to drink, I little like dirt! but I am going to add to my breakfast mix this morning. This particular one is not from the grass fed it is a pea protein, I think. It's still early and I am yet to research that, but I think it should be ok for now. I have some areas on my body of sagging skin, I wonder and no doubt the pulling on my skin 12 years ago. I have always had extremely good elasticity of my skin, body and face. I read some time ago that people with Lyme get a look on their skin which they call "cigarette paper"...I'm sure you'll all know what I mean. You look down and it all puckers together just from a little touch. I was born with good genetics and have always had the build of what some would call an "athlete". I am tall and lean, though in todays society I am in many eyes "thin" and "skinny" that I do not like! I am very self conscious of my weight, I shouldn't be. If I didn't have just a little sagging skin on one side of my tummy my stomach would be perfect, other than some white scars. My stomach looks ripped and defined. My arms have a similar look as do my shoulders. Around the time of my Fibro diagnosis in the mid 90's I was so healthy, I weight trained (at home), walked every day, and did a full time job. It wasn't until weekend came and I couldn't function, I would sit looking out the window in deep despair and had no idea why. I have a wish list going with Neova products. Unfortunately I can not get the DNA repair for all over the body. The site I am going through do not stock that one. It would be nice to be able to repair what has been eaten away from my skin and the digging dings. If people hadn't assaulted my mind for ALL these years I know without a doubt I would be feeling so much better today than I am. How else is the human body meant to react when you are literally throwing "negativity" at a living being that is just trying to do what it was designed for. Acceptance of this disease wouldn't cure everyone, but it would sure help them feel a heck of a lot better.
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Post by ruthintoronto on Nov 14, 2015 22:15:12 GMT -5
Toni, thank God no dark coarse hair on my face, lol. I just picked up some dry mustard again and am back to putting it in shampoo etc. I did not know it was good for other things besides the itching, have not itched in yrs, thankfully. My hair would tie itself in a knot and weave in my clothes so I know it was morg hair, yuck. It came out by the handfuls, it just stopped falling out a few months ago. Like I said I have fine baby hair to begin with so can't afford to lose any more.
I have started on the 10% glycolic cream it's all I could get locally, waiting for the 20% to come in, so far so good. I will mix it down initially. Can't remember can I mix it with the copper cream?
Itchin you are lucky to be tall, I am 5"1 I have lost an inch. Can't afford to lose that either, ha. I am exercising and can't gain the muscle or tighten up, very frustrating for the amount I am exercising, I hope the Whey will help. Yes I really wanted the Neova body stuff but could not import to Canada, must be good.
Yes it is still frustrating the non-acceptance of this disease. I am still so tired, that's why I have made the special effort of eating right, exercise etc. I guess lack of sleep does not help. Had to sell my home so am living in an apt and the guy upstairs is bigfoot, want to punch him.
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Post by itchin4answers on Nov 15, 2015 3:54:47 GMT -5
Toni, thank God no dark coarse hair on my face, lol. I just picked up some dry mustard again and am back to putting it in shampoo etc. I did not know it was good for other things besides the itching, have not itched in yrs, thankfully. My hair would tie itself in a knot and weave in my clothes so I know it was morg hair, yuck. It came out by the handfuls, it just stopped falling out a few months ago. Like I said I have fine baby hair to begin with so can't afford to lose any more. I have started on the 10% glycolic cream it's all I could get locally, waiting for the 20% to come in, so far so good. I will mix it down initially. Can't remember can I mix it with the copper cream? Itchin you are lucky to be tall, I am 5"1 I have lost an inch. Can't afford to lose that either, ha. I am exercising and can't gain the muscle or tighten up, very frustrating for the amount I am exercising, I hope the Whey will help. Yes I really wanted the Neova body stuff but could not import to Canada, must be good. Yes it is still frustrating the non-acceptance of this disease. I am still so tired, that's why I have made the special effort of eating right, exercise etc. I guess lack of sleep does not help. Had to sell my home so am living in an apt and the guy upstairs is bigfoot, want to punch him. Ruth thank you for reminding me the hair thing, the knots, that started to happen to me once I moved. I was trying to grow my hair, thinking a different hair dresser had caused my hair to go weird. Though this hair dresser, with not a great deal of tact lol said that my scalp was like a dogs coat! she said you have a second layer of hair growing...all this short hair new growth. However, I started to get breakage of my hair on the left hand side, odd because I had always had issues on the crown...with flat hair. My new hairdresser says that my scalp reflects that something is not right in my body, however a month ago she said my hair was feeling so much better. I've noticed this "bump" in the hair on other women, like they are experiencing the breakage too. I can clearly feel the 3 lumps on my scalp & only recently have I started with little itches. It's my boy that's started to show things that really scare me, and that psoriasis cream he loves. What are the chances my son loses 2 teeth in the one night, and my root canal on the front teeth fell apart, the dentist said I need a crown, two infact. I was never told when I had root canals done that they had to be crowned. I love to laugh and smile, but with a crocked smile I feel ugly and it changes how people perceive me. So what broke from my tooth was something the dentist had put there, can't remember when, but now I have a "gap" between my two front teeth. I worry am I going to wake up with both front teeth broken snapped because the root canal one is worn so bad. I have had night bruxism since my early twenties, and seriously was told by my Tony that I would sound like I was chewing on a plank of wood in my sleep...that was wearing my mouth splint. With or without a splint I clench in my sleep and how do I stop that when I'm sleeping. I had a lay down this afternoon, had to succumb to taking a pain medication, nothing strong just a panadeine forte. Now this is the weird thing I was falling off to sleep and I felt on my lips the fingers of a baby like the baby was in my arms and I got startled and woke up. This happened the other night too, a week or so I think....it was strange but like an arm out stretched touched my stomach though I woke. Most of my food is juiced, and I spend my day being health conscious. It is the only way I can function, water, lemons, lunch on time, tea on time...ooops not tonight! I run boot camp, or like to when you have a child with this omg it's so hard and heart breaking. I reckon I may have gained a bit of height, a doctor that helped me measured me and then we decided to stick to 5.6 though I'm just under 5'7...that's why I never got into modelling coz they said I was too short. The doctor was so nice said I looked like a model, and that was only a couple of months ago, it was nice though ...- sad not when you're told you are severely disabled...yes I know....told my Mum I'm worsening. I said this is ALS Motor Neuron I said I had the symptoms in whenever maybe 2003 onward....laughing crying, I remember being in the ER and having those symptoms and my skin hard as rock and nurses just screwing their faces up at me. I could sleep on a barbed wire fence, and to be told the other day I looked sleep deprived shattered me, coz how much sleep do you have to get to feel well. I could sleep my life away, but that's no life for no one.
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Post by ruthintoronto on Nov 15, 2015 14:30:22 GMT -5
Hi Itchin, so many with morgellons have the hair knot thing, mine is finally slowing down.
You know I think who I feel the most for is the Mom's with children who have morgellons, it is so not fair.
My teeth are so bad still have root canals and 1 silver, money, money, money.
Yes me too my whole day is around diet, exercise, reading about morgellons etc, also investigating suppliments and on and on
You are lucky you can sleep, I can just about go insane from lack of sleep at times, yes having the bags is not nice especially if you are getting to sleep. hmmm
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Post by itchin4answers on Nov 16, 2015 4:33:02 GMT -5
Hi Itchin, so many with morgellons have the hair knot thing, mine is finally slowing down. You know I think who I feel the most for is the Mom's with children who have morgellons, it is so not fair. My teeth are so bad still have root canals and 1 silver, money, money, money. Yes me too my whole day is around diet, exercise, reading about morgellons etc, also investigating suppliments and on and on You are lucky you can sleep, I can just about go insane from lack of sleep at times, yes having the bags is not nice especially if you are getting to sleep. hmmm That's what's so hard about it all, my child has Morgellons and I don't want to admit it...because seriously what is Morgellons. The moles on his back, and now they itch every night. Itchy lumps on his face. I understand maybe part of what he is going through, and that's really tough to think my child is hurting. He's been on an antibiotic for a sore throat, second course. You know the apathy....I do, because I became so sick and so apathetic, I was horrible, I wasn't me. Fear loves fears, and it attracts negative energy, I can deal with that...at times.... in fleeting moments I can't cope with the fear and that can be the worst 10 minutes of what feels like my life, almost, as much as I hate it and hate what it does to my body. I don't know if it's insane from lack of sleep or coming too lol...seriously I've been going through this cycle for years, and everything calculates and I can not even add up. If not for my sense of humour I would not be here typing to you.....because I will never ever give in to this crime.
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Post by toni on Nov 18, 2015 10:41:37 GMT -5
Something I've recently noticed, a "not good thing" , or it seems that way to me. That when I bump into anything, you know with my hand, not that I'm clumsy, just normal stuff like kicking your toes into a chair leg, just "stuff" like that where one hurts themselves accidentally, stupid stuff hahaha but, what I've noticed, is this: It HURTS more than ever before. I mean the pain sensors must be really hyped up. My skin feels ultra sensitive, I mean I can feel the follicles sprouting a hair (it seems) not that I really can, I don't think but....it sure feels like it. And when I bump my arm or elbow on something accidentally, I feel like a train ran into me in that area, it's "that painful" and it will bruise "it seems" more easily too. I know that's not good either. Hi Toni, I'm pleased you mentions this because yes I have that too, so does my son. I have bruised easily for most of my life, and I am noticing that too in my son. If you take one of my diagnoses of Fibromylagia, now people with this hurt even with just a touch, yes that's so true. Someone can "knock" my leg by accident and I would give an almighty "ouch"....now I'm not weak, it hurts! Hi Ruth, So nice to read about how you are going. Pleased also you mentioned about the muscle mass. Yes, this is a big issue for me. After talking with Mum yesterday I mentioned the Whey protein and Mum too had bought some to try to build some muscle. I'm waiting on my order, thank you for that toni and since I can not believe what I see in the mirror I thought I'd buy one in the interim. This one I bought is different, the young guy in the chemist was so helpful, and even asked the pharmacist to check a couple of things for me. I can not have folic acid, and I hope, that I'm sure it won't, the one I ordered doesn't have folic acid in. I forget so many important things...and I can not afford for that, not with my health. This powder I got the Whey is chocolate flavoured and ok to drink, I little like dirt! but I am going to add to my breakfast mix this morning. This particular one is not from the grass fed it is a pea protein, I think. It's still early and I am yet to research that, but I think it should be ok for now. I have some areas on my body of sagging skin, I wonder and no doubt the pulling on my skin 12 years ago. I have always had extremely good elasticity of my skin, body and face. I read some time ago that people with Lyme get a look on their skin which they call "cigarette paper"...I'm sure you'll all know what I mean. You look down and it all puckers together just from a little touch. I was born with good genetics and have always had the build of what some would call an "athlete". I am tall and lean, though in todays society I am in many eyes "thin" and "skinny" that I do not like! I am very self conscious of my weight, I shouldn't be. If I didn't have just a little sagging skin on one side of my tummy my stomach would be perfect, other than some white scars. My stomach looks ripped and defined. My arms have a similar look as do my shoulders. Around the time of my Fibro diagnosis in the mid 90's I was so healthy, I weight trained (at home), walked every day, and did a full time job. It wasn't until weekend came and I couldn't function, I would sit looking out the window in deep despair and had no idea why. I have a wish list going with Neova products. Unfortunately I can not get the DNA repair for all over the body. The site I am going through do not stock that one. It would be nice to be able to repair what has been eaten away from my skin and the digging dings. If people hadn't assaulted my mind for ALL these years I know without a doubt I would be feeling so much better today than I am. How else is the human body meant to react when you are literally throwing "negativity" at a living being that is just trying to do what it was designed for. Acceptance of this disease wouldn't cure everyone, but it would sure help them feel a heck of a lot better. Itchin, Yes, and geeze, it *the sensitivity heightened* must have something to do with this. And, about the Fibro, I sure didn't know that, actually I don't know really much about it, (I need to read about it). That is very interesting, and thanks.
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Post by toni on Nov 18, 2015 10:55:14 GMT -5
Toni, thank God no dark coarse hair on my face, lol. I just picked up some dry mustard again and am back to putting it in shampoo etc. I did not know it was good for other things besides the itching, have not itched in yrs, thankfully. My hair would tie itself in a knot and weave in my clothes so I know it was morg hair, yuck. It came out by the handfuls, it just stopped falling out a few months ago. Like I said I have fine baby hair to begin with so can't afford to lose any more. I have started on the 10% glycolic cream it's all I could get locally, waiting for the 20% to come in, so far so good. I will mix it down initially. Can't remember can I mix it with the copper cream? Itchin you are lucky to be tall, I am 5"1 I have lost an inch. Can't afford to lose that either, ha. I am exercising and can't gain the muscle or tighten up, very frustrating for the amount I am exercising, I hope the Whey will help. Yes I really wanted the Neova body stuff but could not import to Canada, must be good. Yes it is still frustrating the non-acceptance of this disease. I am still so tired, that's why I have made the special effort of eating right, exercise etc. I guess lack of sleep does not help. Had to sell my home so am living in an apt and the guy upstairs is bigfoot, want to punch him. Ruth, Gosh, that's great your hair stopped shedding. I wonder too besides hormones and I'm sure you know about the thyroid-probably more than I do. Sometimes that can cause those signs too. Isn't it just awful, not that this is anything new to us, but trying desperately to figure out what's going on with our bodies is unreal-so we can do what we can to fix it, and that's what doctors are for, but, what's the limit imho, is in "tests" performed, blood, etc, everything looks like it's all a'okay, (with me anyways) and yet...it's not at all because of all the changes going on. And I sure hope you can get some sleep, that and eating healthy are our two best immune strengtheners. OH, and I wanted to share about 'that nickel size spot I "tca'ed". It did peel, (but I didn't get that frosting appearance/skin turning paper white on the area I applied the acid with a qtip), but...what I did was use that Home Health Psoriasis cream (to help induce peeling since it contains 2 or 3% salicylic acid). It peeled on day 4. Just like it was a little sun burned spot. Now, here's the thing, that TCA brought up an itchy pin head size "pimple like bump"...it's small, but no matter, OMG talk about that pin spot ontop of the red spot, it itched like crazy, so I put the yog and milk on it, which stopped that, and now the "itchy spot" that the acid caused to "erupt" is drying out, so it's going away now. I can't imagine if I had a larger area done, I do believe this stuff "in the dermis" for me anyways, is still there. Actually anywhere I get an injury to the skin, (like my fingers) always getting cut, since daily I'm cutting many fresh veggies up, and even those "like paper cuts" happen on my fingers, (they too) get a hard like tiny granule that forms under the skin, and that won't heal "until that granule" is pushed out. Have you noticed that on any places on your body, that when the skin gets even a simple "clean cut", that before it heals, it gets a bit inflamed, then the granules or granule forms, and once that's "rolled out" or 'rubbed out'...then the cut heals perfectly - but not until. That's what I was curious about too, (if applying the TCA now would induce an eruption) and it did, for me. So, I must be loaded with whatever this is.
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Post by itchin4answers on Nov 18, 2015 16:46:41 GMT -5
Hi Toni, I'm pleased you mentions this because yes I have that too, so does my son. I have bruised easily for most of my life, and I am noticing that too in my son. If you take one of my diagnoses of Fibromylagia, now people with this hurt even with just a touch, yes that's so true. Someone can "knock" my leg by accident and I would give an almighty "ouch"....now I'm not weak, it hurts! Hi Ruth, So nice to read about how you are going. Pleased also you mentioned about the muscle mass. Yes, this is a big issue for me. After talking with Mum yesterday I mentioned the Whey protein and Mum too had bought some to try to build some muscle. I'm waiting on my order, thank you for that toni and since I can not believe what I see in the mirror I thought I'd buy one in the interim. This one I bought is different, the young guy in the chemist was so helpful, and even asked the pharmacist to check a couple of things for me. I can not have folic acid, and I hope, that I'm sure it won't, the one I ordered doesn't have folic acid in. I forget so many important things...and I can not afford for that, not with my health. This powder I got the Whey is chocolate flavoured and ok to drink, I little like dirt! but I am going to add to my breakfast mix this morning. This particular one is not from the grass fed it is a pea protein, I think. It's still early and I am yet to research that, but I think it should be ok for now. I have some areas on my body of sagging skin, I wonder and no doubt the pulling on my skin 12 years ago. I have always had extremely good elasticity of my skin, body and face. I read some time ago that people with Lyme get a look on their skin which they call "cigarette paper"...I'm sure you'll all know what I mean. You look down and it all puckers together just from a little touch. I was born with good genetics and have always had the build of what some would call an "athlete". I am tall and lean, though in todays society I am in many eyes "thin" and "skinny" that I do not like! I am very self conscious of my weight, I shouldn't be. If I didn't have just a little sagging skin on one side of my tummy my stomach would be perfect, other than some white scars. My stomach looks ripped and defined. My arms have a similar look as do my shoulders. Around the time of my Fibro diagnosis in the mid 90's I was so healthy, I weight trained (at home), walked every day, and did a full time job. It wasn't until weekend came and I couldn't function, I would sit looking out the window in deep despair and had no idea why. I have a wish list going with Neova products. Unfortunately I can not get the DNA repair for all over the body. The site I am going through do not stock that one. It would be nice to be able to repair what has been eaten away from my skin and the digging dings. If people hadn't assaulted my mind for ALL these years I know without a doubt I would be feeling so much better today than I am. How else is the human body meant to react when you are literally throwing "negativity" at a living being that is just trying to do what it was designed for. Acceptance of this disease wouldn't cure everyone, but it would sure help them feel a heck of a lot better. Itchin, Yes, and geeze, it *the sensitivity heightened* must have something to do with this. And, about the Fibro, I sure didn't know that, actually I don't know really much about it, (I need to read about it). That is very interesting, and thanks. Hi toni, Yes the sensitivity has been extremely bad, hot weather and clear skies seem to heighten things for a lot of people. Funny you should say about Fibro and not knowing much about it. Neither do I. However, after all these years of suffering I come to the same conclusion. It all ends where it starts. I have worked in sexual assault, in fact I was the administrator in one of the Melbourne units in the eastern suburbs in the mid 90's. I said to myself back then "is there anyone that hasn't been sexually abused?". I've gone from a Fibromyalgia diagnosis to horror of Morgellons. IF doctors really knew what Fibromyalgia was and the cause why do they not tell me. I know there are two types of Vitamin D required for our body. I had a choice to ditch the testosterone gel, though around that time I didn't have the choice about the Vitamin D jab in the butt. I was told my level was low and this shot should do me for 12 months. If doctors also can not explain what the MTHFR gene mutation is and why this happens then we are not making any progress scientifically at all. I am aware that a DNA database was started just prior to my birth. I know I was in hospital as a young infant. I know I was jabbed with inoculation before our family could emigrate to NZ and I will never forget that massive pea sized lump in my upper arm after that shot. I have heard buzz talk about a mathematical equation for consciousness and I do believe that to be true. Not long after Tony died I had to keep looking for clues and the shrine which holds the technological information had a messaged saved in a folder and I found it. I wrote these numbers down and I also wrote down the date and time Tony had done this. How, Why and What is just beyond words me. I remember my early days on Lyme busters and a member here posting, and the words this person wrote got stuck in my head, but in a good way. This person said "this disease will make you kill your sister, your brother, your mother, your father". That is valuable information because we are dealing with extremely advanced biological weapons now. I do believe we are somehow programmed to die, &/or someone will come and kill you or your child. That to my mind is Morgellons in a nutshell, what has gone on inbetween, with doctors, experiments and the spraying of our skies. I pray to God that there is going to be a good reason for all of this because people are dropping like fleas and I don't want myself or my son to be "next". Immigration and airplane travel plays a major role too, you know like the "borne identity". www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3731792/
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Post by toni on Nov 18, 2015 18:56:32 GMT -5
Hi toni, Yes the sensitivity has been extremely bad, hot weather and clear skies seem to heighten things for a lot of people. Funny you should say about Fibro and not knowing much about it. Neither do I. However, after all these years of suffering I come to the same conclusion. It all ends where it starts. I have worked in sexual assault, in fact I was the administrator in one of the Melbourne units in the eastern suburbs in the mid 90's. I said to myself back then "is there anyone that hasn't been sexually abused?". I've gone from a Fibromyalgia diagnosis to horror of Morgellons. IF doctors really knew what Fibromyalgia was and the cause why do they not tell me. I know there are two types of Vitamin D required for our body. I had a choice to ditch the testosterone gel, though around that time I didn't have the choice about the Vitamin D jab in the butt. I was told my level was low and this shot should do me for 12 months. If doctors also can not explain what the MTHFR gene mutation is and why this happens then we are not making any progress scientifically at all. I am aware that a DNA database was started just prior to my birth. I know I was in hospital as a young infant. I know I was jabbed with inoculation before our family could emigrate to NZ and I will never forget that massive pea sized lump in my upper arm after that shot. I have heard buzz talk about a mathematical equation for consciousness and I do believe that to be true. Not long after Tony died I had to keep looking for clues and the shrine which holds the technological information had a messaged saved in a folder and I found it. I wrote these numbers down and I also wrote down the date and time Tony had done this. How, Why and What is just beyond words me. I remember my early days on Lyme busters and a member here posting, and the words this person wrote got stuck in my head, but in a good way. This person said "this disease will make you kill your sister, your brother, your mother, your father". That is valuable information because we are dealing with extremely advanced biological weapons now. I do believe we are somehow programmed to die, &/or someone will come and kill you or your child. That to my mind is Morgellons in a nutshell, what has gone on inbetween, with doctors, experiments and the spraying of our skies. I pray to God that there is going to be a good reason for all of this because people are dropping like fleas and I don't want myself or my son to be "next". Immigration and airplane travel plays a major role too, you know like the "borne identity". www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3731792/Hi Itchin, When I first read your post (before I read the article) I thought that was an "internet abbreviation" hehehe (the MTHFR). I see what you mean. Wow there's so many "things" aren't there?This is new stuff to me too. I sure didn't know that. Very interesting for sure.The person that said: *this disease will make you kill etc.....* I'm not sure "what that means", not that I can't read the words, but....I don't get it how it fits?Do you mean this disease makes one angry enough to? I just don't understand, I'm sorry.And about being programmed to die, (our cells are) but, do you mean because of Morgs?My take on Morgs, or anything that causes the body to become ill (and I may be an ignoramous about this) but....I do believe that anything...anything that "the body cannot assimilate basically is toxic".
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Post by itchin4answers on Nov 18, 2015 19:56:19 GMT -5
Hi toni, Yes the sensitivity has been extremely bad, hot weather and clear skies seem to heighten things for a lot of people. Funny you should say about Fibro and not knowing much about it. Neither do I. However, after all these years of suffering I come to the same conclusion. It all ends where it starts. I have worked in sexual assault, in fact I was the administrator in one of the Melbourne units in the eastern suburbs in the mid 90's. I said to myself back then "is there anyone that hasn't been sexually abused?". I've gone from a Fibromyalgia diagnosis to horror of Morgellons. IF doctors really knew what Fibromyalgia was and the cause why do they not tell me. I know there are two types of Vitamin D required for our body. I had a choice to ditch the testosterone gel, though around that time I didn't have the choice about the Vitamin D jab in the butt. I was told my level was low and this shot should do me for 12 months. If doctors also can not explain what the MTHFR gene mutation is and why this happens then we are not making any progress scientifically at all. I am aware that a DNA database was started just prior to my birth. I know I was in hospital as a young infant. I know I was jabbed with inoculation before our family could emigrate to NZ and I will never forget that massive pea sized lump in my upper arm after that shot. I have heard buzz talk about a mathematical equation for consciousness and I do believe that to be true. Not long after Tony died I had to keep looking for clues and the shrine which holds the technological information had a messaged saved in a folder and I found it. I wrote these numbers down and I also wrote down the date and time Tony had done this. How, Why and What is just beyond words me. I remember my early days on Lyme busters and a member here posting, and the words this person wrote got stuck in my head, but in a good way. This person said "this disease will make you kill your sister, your brother, your mother, your father". That is valuable information because we are dealing with extremely advanced biological weapons now. I do believe we are somehow programmed to die, &/or someone will come and kill you or your child. That to my mind is Morgellons in a nutshell, what has gone on inbetween, with doctors, experiments and the spraying of our skies. I pray to God that there is going to be a good reason for all of this because people are dropping like fleas and I don't want myself or my son to be "next". Immigration and airplane travel plays a major role too, you know like the "borne identity". www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3731792/Hi Itchin, When I first read your post (before I read the article) I thought that was an "internet abbreviation" hehehe (the MTHFR). I see what you mean. Wow there's so many "things" aren't there?This is new stuff to me too. I sure didn't know that. Very interesting for sure.The person that said: *this disease will make you kill etc.....* I'm not sure "what that means", not that I can't read the words, but....I don't get it how it fits?Do you mean this disease makes one angry enough to? I just don't understand, I'm sorry.And about being programmed to die, (our cells are) but, do you mean because of Morgs?My take on Morgs, or anything that causes the body to become ill (and I may be an ignoramous about this) but....I do believe that anything...anything that "the body cannot assimilate basically is toxic". Yes, the anger can make a person kill, but not that alone, many factors are involved; metaphysics is a topic I have had to learn by living the disease. The Morgellons will cause such a reaction that the one you believe loves you will kill you, yes they are programmed to kill. Considering antimicrobial resistance is here and now I am now LEARNING how destructive this disease is. I was told by a physician years ago that the Mafia were involved in pharmaceuticals. On that day that was no reassurance for me! there was this pattern of "black" eyes in people I knew. That was not a hallucination, you can not live, touch, feel smell them, they are there and real. Speaking scientifically there our other dimensions. amrls.cvm.msu.edu/microbiology/molecular-basis-for-antimicrobial-resistance/acquired-resistance/acquisition-of-antimicrobial-resistance-via-horizontal-gene-transfer
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Post by toni on Nov 19, 2015 16:35:53 GMT -5
Yes, the anger can make a person kill, but not that alone, many factors are involved; metaphysics is a topic I have had to learn by living the disease. The Morgellons will cause such a reaction that the one you believe loves you will kill you, yes they are programmed to kill. Considering antimicrobial resistance is here and now I am now LEARNING how destructive this disease is. I was told by a physician years ago that the Mafia were involved in pharmaceuticals. On that day that was no reassurance for me! there was this pattern of "black" eyes in people I knew. That was not a hallucination, you can not live, touch, feel smell them, they are there and real. Speaking scientifically there our other dimensions. amrls.cvm.msu.edu/microbiology/molecular-basis-for-antimicrobial-resistance/acquired-resistance/acquisition-of-antimicrobial-resistance-via-horizontal-gene-transferHi Itchin, Not sure what to say, as we all have our thoughts....but.... I personally just don't think anyone is trying to kill anyone, ( except the fact that CDC denied us all help) by having stalled all of this from the get go, which that is deadly imho. I do believe there's a coverup, somewhere, but..who knows where exactly. I understand how hard this is to deal with, it's changed our lives, and forever it's changed our lives, because none of us will ever think the same way again, we've been awakened to cold hard abandonment when we needed and need help the most, and like a snap of the fingers, we were ripped from our life and placed in the Twilight Zone ...and then left there naked, stripped of even who we are with all the stigma. It's not right, or fair and nothing about getting Morgs has been right - not even the medical field. We got shoved into a labeled box by the majority, and it's a bad place to be, because we can only wonder what's going on, and that too is an awful thing to have to deal with daily.
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Post by itchin4answers on Nov 20, 2015 0:45:30 GMT -5
Yes, the anger can make a person kill, but not that alone, many factors are involved; metaphysics is a topic I have had to learn by living the disease. The Morgellons will cause such a reaction that the one you believe loves you will kill you, yes they are programmed to kill. Considering antimicrobial resistance is here and now I am now LEARNING how destructive this disease is. I was told by a physician years ago that the Mafia were involved in pharmaceuticals. On that day that was no reassurance for me! there was this pattern of "black" eyes in people I knew. That was not a hallucination, you can not live, touch, feel smell them, they are there and real. Speaking scientifically there our other dimensions. amrls.cvm.msu.edu/microbiology/molecular-basis-for-antimicrobial-resistance/acquired-resistance/acquisition-of-antimicrobial-resistance-via-horizontal-gene-transferHi Itchin, Not sure what to say, as we all have our thoughts....but.... I personally just don't think anyone is trying to kill anyone, ( except the fact that CDC denied us all help) by having stalled all of this from the get go, which that is deadly imho. I do believe there's a coverup, somewhere, but..who knows where exactly. I understand how hard this is to deal with, it's changed our lives, and forever it's changed our lives, because none of us will ever think the same way again, we've been awakened to cold hard abandonment when we needed and need help the most, and like a snap of the fingers, we were ripped from our life and placed in the Twilight Zone ...and then left there naked, stripped of even who we are with all the stigma. It's not right, or fair and nothing about getting Morgs has been right - not even the medical field. We got shoved into a labeled box by the majority, and it's a bad place to be, because we can only wonder what's going on, and that too is an awful thing to have to deal with daily. It surely is awful.
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Post by itchin4answers on Nov 20, 2015 11:26:44 GMT -5
Hi again Ruth, I don't know how I forgot to mention this, (I guess looking in the mirror just now reminded me) hehe well...yesterday, I got real curious. I washed a spot on my cheek and then applied my Platinum Skin Care 20% TCA (about a nickel size spot) I did. To my surprise, either my TCA is old, and lost it's UMP... or my skin can take a beating, but the nickel size spot I did (never frosted/turned the nickel size spot paper white)...and today it's just "real red" and a tad puffy, no big thing though. It did puff up a bit after I had the acid on for 5 min, so I just used "milk actually to cool that spot off" as that is sooooooooo soothing to burned skin too, and then I put on the Home Health Psoriasis cream (only) because of it's good ingredients, and it has "a little salicylic acid in it". Today, it's exactly sunburn color. Not like a 3rd degree burn (well, that's blistered) but, I'd say a 2nd degree burn, just red and puffed a little. I was shocked it didn't "frost, but I'll see in 3-5 days if this spot "peels off". I also wanted to boost it up a few knotches (the nickel size spot) I "tca'ed"....so instead of putting on a gentle cream on the spot I treated, I put on that "psoriasis cream which has only 2 or 3 percent salicylic acid in it". That way, I'm hoping that nickel size spot (peels) by the beginning or mid of next week because I don't want the skin to "keep this 1/2 burned spot". I don't want my skin to "hang on to this spot" is what I call it,..and I don't know if you know what I mean by that. See...the skin will do it's best now to repair my "nickel spot I hit with the TCA" (which I applied it with a Q-tip). I don't want my skin to "repair it, and hang on to it" I want it "to peel off" since it's been burned basically enough to turn red. But, I will say, (without that white frosting appearance, I don't know if it will or not) but I will let you know. And that was with 20% TCA, so that's why now....I don't know if the TCA lost it's umph, or...if it's me and my infection. I've not used this is a few years, but...usually the "acids keep well" when stored in a dark place with the lid tight.. which I have done. Well, a few days and we'll know. See (after care is just as important as applying the acid too). I'm keeping it covered as to allow the skin it's hydration needed, with the boost of the "salicylic cream" low strength, and...in 2 days, I'll probably leave it "to open air" for 1/2 the day to "acclimate" itself, (that's my word, nothing in skin care says that)...but, I've learned from doing this that the skin covered with cream "all the time" isn't great either (imho), as I do want it to peel, so after this initial "blow to it"...I'll keep it covered lightly with the cream, then in 2 days, I'm letting it get air (no cream on the spot) for 1/2 a day. Also, I thought about you, and (honest to goodness) I don't think you'd want to ever do a "full face" application without trying it out "first maybe on your chin" area only. Just to see (how it works) and what happens. Even this nickel size spot I have, I'm sitting here thinking...man, I'm glad I don't have this ALL over my face, because it would be "uncomfortable" as can be, for real. Not that I've not had 'full face' burns done (chemically and CO2 laser) which I will say (full face at once) is horrible on the mend. Sections are better, really they are. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_five-cent_coin
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Post by toni on Nov 20, 2015 11:29:45 GMT -5
Hi again Ruth, I don't know how I forgot to mention this, (I guess looking in the mirror just now reminded me) hehe well...yesterday, I got real curious. I washed a spot on my cheek and then applied my Platinum Skin Care 20% TCA (about a nickel size spot) I did. To my surprise, either my TCA is old, and lost it's UMP... or my skin can take a beating, but the nickel size spot I did (never frosted/turned the nickel size spot paper white)...and today it's just "real red" and a tad puffy, no big thing though. It did puff up a bit after I had the acid on for 5 min, so I just used "milk actually to cool that spot off" as that is sooooooooo soothing to burned skin too, and then I put on the Home Health Psoriasis cream (only) because of it's good ingredients, and it has "a little salicylic acid in it". Today, it's exactly sunburn color. Not like a 3rd degree burn (well, that's blistered) but, I'd say a 2nd degree burn, just red and puffed a little. I was shocked it didn't "frost, but I'll see in 3-5 days if this spot "peels off". I also wanted to boost it up a few knotches (the nickel size spot) I "tca'ed"....so instead of putting on a gentle cream on the spot I treated, I put on that "psoriasis cream which has only 2 or 3 percent salicylic acid in it". That way, I'm hoping that nickel size spot (peels) by the beginning or mid of next week because I don't want the skin to "keep this 1/2 burned spot". I don't want my skin to "hang on to this spot" is what I call it,..and I don't know if you know what I mean by that. See...the skin will do it's best now to repair my "nickel spot I hit with the TCA" (which I applied it with a Q-tip). I don't want my skin to "repair it, and hang on to it" I want it "to peel off" since it's been burned basically enough to turn red. But, I will say, (without that white frosting appearance, I don't know if it will or not) but I will let you know. And that was with 20% TCA, so that's why now....I don't know if the TCA lost it's umph, or...if it's me and my infection. I've not used this is a few years, but...usually the "acids keep well" when stored in a dark place with the lid tight.. which I have done. Well, a few days and we'll know. See (after care is just as important as applying the acid too). I'm keeping it covered as to allow the skin it's hydration needed, with the boost of the "salicylic cream" low strength, and...in 2 days, I'll probably leave it "to open air" for 1/2 the day to "acclimate" itself, (that's my word, nothing in skin care says that)...but, I've learned from doing this that the skin covered with cream "all the time" isn't great either (imho), as I do want it to peel, so after this initial "blow to it"...I'll keep it covered lightly with the cream, then in 2 days, I'm letting it get air (no cream on the spot) for 1/2 a day. Also, I thought about you, and (honest to goodness) I don't think you'd want to ever do a "full face" application without trying it out "first maybe on your chin" area only. Just to see (how it works) and what happens. Even this nickel size spot I have, I'm sitting here thinking...man, I'm glad I don't have this ALL over my face, because it would be "uncomfortable" as can be, for real. Not that I've not had 'full face' burns done (chemically and CO2 laser) which I will say (full face at once) is horrible on the mend. Sections are better, really they are. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_five-cent_coin Hi Itchin, I'm not sure what the 5 cent coin wiki link is about? This thread is about skin remodeling which you'd copied my post (info to Ruth) and replied with that link. Is there some significance to that link in regards to TCA acid?
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Post by ruthintoronto on Nov 20, 2015 23:20:23 GMT -5
Hey Toni, hope that spot you used the TCA on is clearing up, the sore I mean. I did a 15% TCA about 2 yrs ago, did not get morg pimples. I still can get normal cuts and sores without the morg crap developing in them. I recently burned my stomach bad with a cup of black coffee and it was just a normal burn thank God. I have started taking DHEA+ and Progensa Plus from www.womenlivingnaturally.com/products.php. Still waiting for products to come in for my skin care project.
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Post by toni on Nov 23, 2015 7:55:09 GMT -5
Hey Toni, hope that spot you used the TCA on is clearing up, the sore I mean. I did a 15% TCA about 2 yrs ago, did not get morg pimples. I still can get normal cuts and sores without the morg crap developing in them. I recently burned my stomach bad with a cup of black coffee and it was just a normal burn thank God. I have started taking DHEA+ and Progensa Plus from www.womenlivingnaturally.com/products.php. Still waiting for products to come in for my skin care project. Hi Ruth, Thank you. And yes, the "TCA'd spot" is all good to go now, it's as though nothing happened, it did peel off, and the itchy bumps that the TCA brought up have gone (milk/yog mix helped those stop and clear all that in their tracks within a few days). That seems like a great sign that you're not experiencing products bringing up "itch spots" from within the skin. And your cream there, the hormone cream that's great it works for you (I use the Swansons *estrogen cream* called Bi-Estro which has just estrogen and estriol in it) since I've had a 'hyster' and wow does that work great too to keep things balanced. I don't know what I'd do without that one. It sure is a "listen to our body thing anymore" ...and that helps us keep it all together to a great degree I think, or it sure seems to anyways. I really find that amazing too (and a great thing) that no matter where you get a cut or burn like with the coffee, (sorry that happened, that had to hurt bad), you're not experiencing morgs stuff in any way from the skin. I'm not there yet...any tiny cut, will just bring up and out "a granule or a growth looking thing, like a root" of something that's anchored into the skin.
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Post by toni on Nov 23, 2015 7:58:43 GMT -5
Hey Toni, hope that spot you used the TCA on is clearing up, the sore I mean. I did a 15% TCA about 2 yrs ago, did not get morg pimples. I still can get normal cuts and sores without the morg crap developing in them. I recently burned my stomach bad with a cup of black coffee and it was just a normal burn thank God. I have started taking DHEA+ and Progensa Plus from www.womenlivingnaturally.com/products.php. Still waiting for products to come in for my skin care project. When this all broke lose on the internet, I asked a question of my Dad about my losing my skin, and Dad said "so you are telling me you have no immune system then?"...and I said "NO"....He said "there you go then...". It's really horrible to be surveillance 24/7/. We're getting close to that 100 year mark and someone better have a good explanation for what they did why and how you all came together. Not trying to sound like a suspense thriller. But to hypnotise a person for their entire life. Enough said. Yeah still waiting on my order too. Hi Itchin, Your dad has similar comments to my dad's remarks too about Morgs. It's a black or white kind of thing (with them it seems) and Morgs is so gray, which they don't get. And even though your immune may not be "gone"....it still may be "altered".
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Post by itchin4answers on Nov 23, 2015 14:18:26 GMT -5
Hello Toni.
Yes my DNA has certainly been altered.
Something I am having extreme difficulty getting through to people.
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