Remodeling skin after Morgs

[toni]

Hi Itchin,

Well, here's a thread we can chat on or just simply put "your questions" and or our comments on.

And, this is to move our posts "off of the Phisohex thread".

[toni]

Itchin,

I'll just start this new thread with these posts from the (Phisohex Thread) about "skin stuff" we were chatting about.

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Hi Itchin,

That Psoriasis Cream, there's salicylic in it, (which lots of products contain that)...BUT, heheh I have to say but again, because yes, I've got 10 million products with salicylic in them
and nothing works as well as that *particular cream* because of the ingredients I do believe. In fact, I don't know what I'd do without it, that's how much I love it for "Morgs".

It's called: Home Health Psoriasis Cream and the ingredients are:

Ingredients:
Active ingredient: Salicylic acid 2.0%.

Inactive Ingredients: allantoin, beeswax, cetyl alcohol, citrus grandis (grapefruit) fruit extract, cod liver oil, cymbopogon schoenanthus oil, echinacea angustifolia extract,
rosa canina fruit oil, rumex crispus root extract, simmondsia chinensis (jojoba) seed oil, smilax aristolochiifolia root extract, stearic acid, tocopheryl acetate (vitamin E acetate),
triethanolamine, water.




And I'm sure sorry to hear about your whole family.


And can I ask you what you were having "needling session done for"?
Are you concerned about that aggravating the skin into a break out?
Thanks Itchin.

[toni]

Oct 3, 2015 at 3:47pm itchin4answers said:




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Oct 1, 2015 at 11:29am toni said:
Hi Itchin,

That Psoriasis Cream, there's salicylic in it, (which lots of products contain that)...BUT, heheh I have to say but again, because yes, I've got 10 million products with salicylic in them
and nothing works as well as that *particular cream* because of the ingredients I do believe. In fact, I don't know what I'd do without it, that's how much I love it for "Morgs".

It's called: Home Health Psoriasis Cream and the ingredients are:

Ingredients:
Active ingredient: Salicylic acid 2.0%.

Inactive Ingredients: allantoin, beeswax, cetyl alcohol, citrus grandis (grapefruit) fruit extract, cod liver oil, cymbopogon schoenanthus oil, echinacea angustifolia extract,
rosa canina fruit oil, rumex crispus root extract, simmondsia chinensis (jojoba) seed oil, smilax aristolochiifolia root extract, stearic acid, tocopheryl acetate (vitamin E acetate),
triethanolamine, water.




And I'm sure sorry to hear about your whole family.


And can I ask you what you were having "needling session done for"?
Are you concerned about that aggravating the skin into a break out?
Thanks Itchin.



Hi Toni,

Thanks so much for that information I found it, and it's on it's way. I wish I'd read your other post about that herb before I ordered the Psoriasis cream, then I'd have only paid for one postage. I'll sure be getting that herb too.

I had an in salon "home grade" needle session some time ago. I am trying this for the Morgs. It appears to soften the scars and help with the over all appearance and feel of my skin. After that session I was given the needle roller to take home and do myself.

The session I was going to have before the blister/hidden lesion came up was the "medical grade" needle. This has to be done by a practitioner and a numbing cream applied as the needle goes deeper. Since I haven't had this done before I wasn't going to try when I had the flare. The medical grade needle will be only for me, as these treatments can be repeated every six weeks.

The needling doesn't aggravate or course an outbreak in fact it helps the skin. The night after I tried the Phisohex, the following night I did the home needle treatment. The hidden lesion/blister now there is nothing to be seen, for some reason it helps. The following morning in the shower I used a small amount of face scrub and a lot of morg junk comes out.
(again, I'm just moving posts over that we'd spoken *off topic* about on the (Phisohex Thread).


Hi Itchin,

You're welcome-about the name of that cream. It really does a good job in what we need.

Oh and the Sarsaparilla yes, ( I've never taken it either, but in reading about it, and then Blue Skies/John who was a poster here and talked about it,
and he seemed to be a smart no nonsense person, that I'm now also, feeling like ...yes, I need to try this too, it seems safe as long as it's taken correctly,
as there could be side effects like other things.

This is just from WebMD

Sarsaparilla is a plant. The root is used to make medicine.

Sarsaparilla is used for treating psoriasis and other skin diseases, rheumatoid arthritis (RA), and kidney disease; for increasing urination to reduce fluid retention; and for increasing sweating.

Sarsaparilla is also used along with conventional drugs for treating leprosy and for syphilis.

Athletes sometimes use sarsaparilla as a steroid for performance enhancement or bodybuilding.

Some supplement makers claim that chemicals (sterols) in sarsaparilla can be converted to anabolic steroids like testosterone. But this is a false claim. The sterols contained in sarsaparilla are not
anabolic steroids nor are they converted in the body to anabolic steroids. Testosterone has never been detected in any plant, including sarsaparilla.

Mexican and Honduran sarsaparillas are used for treating gonorrhea, fevers, and digestive disorders.

In manufacturing, sarsaparilla is used as a flavoring agent in foods, beverages, and pharmaceuticals.

In the American “Old West,” sarsaparilla was the most popular drink of the cowboys.

Don’t confuse sarsaparilla with Indian or false sarsaparilla (Hemidesmus indicus, Family: Apocyanaceae).
There are reports that this false sarsaparilla is a common impurity found in sarsaparilla preparations. False sarsaparilla contains none of the possibly active chemicals found in true sarsaparilla (Smilax febrifuga, Family: Smilacaceae).


End of copied WebMD on Sarsaparilla


And thank you for sharing about your "needling experience". That's great news you're having such a good outcome with it.
And that the Phisohex with the needling helped rid that morgs spot. That's wonderful! I'd sure be interested to hear about your continued
use with that, if you do continue it (and if you don't mind saying) that is. Thanks so much.

[toni]

Another post moved here from the Phisohex Thread.






Post by toni on Oct 9, 2015 at 5:55am



Hi Itchin,

I am sorry your back is hurting from all that you did.

And your "needling" that's wonderful your skin is handling that so well, and I sure understand about not mentioning anything about Morgs,
because no one really understands either, unless they're involved with it , like having it themselves.

I do believe though, anything with salicylic acid in it *like the psoriasis cream* (may really irritate) your skin "after a needling session", and I hope
that doesn't irritate it too much that it stimulates a problem arising in your skin.

There is a "great product that is recommended" one uses though "after any *controlled injury to the skin* as they call it.
Peels, laser, needling...etc, those are "controlled injuries" to the skin and (Copper Peptides) are amazing after these are done.
Neova makes the "cleanest one" if you know what I mean. The others I've seen out there are "fake cp's" or
derived in a different procedure than Nevoa's brand and they contain "salicylics" which is not the true "copper peptides" used for skin
remodeling serum. It's expensive per ounce as it's sold, but it's worth it - and I'm only just sharing what I've learned and what I know from years
of using this product after having "skin procedures" myself.

[toni]

And another post from the Phisohex thread.
I know these posts here are all out of sequence from the other thread, but...they're here at least.





Oct 9, 2015 at 5:55am toni said:
Hi Itchin,

I am sorry your back is hurting from all that you did.

And your "needling" that's wonderful your skin is handling that so well, and I sure understand about not mentioning anything about Morgs,
because no one really understands either, unless they're involved with it , like having it themselves.

I do believe though, anything with salicylic acid in it *like the psoriasis cream* (may really irritate) your skin "after a needling session", and I hope
that doesn't irritate it too much that it stimulates a problem arising in your skin.

There is a "great product that is recommended" one uses though "after any *controlled injury to the skin* as they call it.
Peels, laser, needling...etc, those are "controlled injuries" to the skin and (Copper Peptides) are amazing after these are done.
Neova makes the "cleanest one" if you know what I mean. The others I've seen out there are "fake cp's" or
derived in a different procedure than Nevoa's brand and they contain "salicylics" which is not the true "copper peptides" used for skin
remodeling serum. It's expensive per ounce as it's sold, but it's worth it - and I'm only just sharing what I've learned and what I know from years
of using this product after having "skin procedures" myself.


Hi Toni,

I was right onto this last weekend after reading your post. Would you believe I tried two different web sites to order the product from to then get to the check out to find out it can not be shipped outside of USA.
So then I go to Neova website and I am almost done with my order and I click the drop down box for my country, and would you believe that Australia was NOT on that list. Every single country in this world was on that list, but not Australia.

If you know of one, I sure would appreciate you passing that along.
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Hi Itchin,

Gosh, that's too bad about them not delivering in Australia.
I do have some suggestions if you want to try and locate the "Neova products" with the "copper peptides/GHK" in them.
The reason I even bring up "cp's" (copper peptides) is because you're "needling".
And when one is having that done (if you get the aggressive needling done)...or even how you're having it done with a "roller" *I don't know*...
or are you using or having it done with (the gun) if you know what I mean?
But, regardless, anytime the skin is "being needled or peeled" ....or ablative laser, (anything done that's to restructure/reconstruct the skin) ....seriously, (the CP's) help the body do that so well, so the outcome is darn near perfect.
Derms recommend Neova products too, because it's "that good".

I've tried the CP's (Neova only) on Morgs, doesn't do a thing (in case anyone was wondering).

But here's what might help you locate Neova products. Write to Neova and let them know where you are, and see what they might say...
OR....see if any of your local dermatology offices OR plastic surgery offices or surg. centers might carry Neova as it's used greatly after "skin procedures"
to ensure a "great outcome" after the skin has been "roughed up" by (as I said, laser, needles or peels).

Hope that helps. (one drawback to Neova is it's very pricey) but....instead of buying a gazillion products to help the skin reconstruct, which really, there's only a few things out there that will do that,
and Neova is one, the rest is just 'grease as I call it' because "only reconstructing products" work like that and for that reason. Rentin A (which you don't want to use on skin that's been abraded, or
needled) at all, and others like glycolics and salicylics you definitely don't want to put on "just needled skin" either, not at all. They're too harsh, and that's not the way to do it anyways.
Needling as you said you're doing, is for reconstruction of skin, and Neova is what totally assists the skin to do so with wonderful results over time (months).

Here's a way to "sort of look at remodeling/reconstructing skin". Our skin is "extremely" workable or easy to manipulate (the facial skin that is).

And when we tear it up, ( a controlled tear up) those are my words, *tearing skin up...to reconstruct*, we do with peels or needling or laser. When it's rebuilding, it "must have" certain building blocks,
or, it can't have the outcome we wish for. But, give the body the proper nutrition on the inside, (like Vit C) etc which is great for our skin, as it takes what we do to the inside and put on the outside,
that makes the difference in how "procedures on the outside come out"...and topically use the best products one can (and you can't go wrong).
And those peptides GHK are great for that outside part. The inside of your body too needs the right stuff for healing C, and Zinc etc, as that will play the other half in your outcome.

[toni]

Itchin,

I did see your last post on the other thread (about the needling and *roller*) ...thanks, I was wondering.

[itchin4answers]

Hi toni,

Lol...I made it here. I deleted majority of my posts from the Phisohex thread and thank you so much for moving those posts across for me, I couldn't have figured it out.

I felt so sad when you said Retinol is like rubbing in grease, that's what I've been putting on my face, and that's expensive to buy.

I plan to try to get in touch with Neova, like you suggested.

Thank you!

[toni]

Oct 21, 2015 0:42:26 GMT -5 itchin4answers said:

Hi toni,

Lol...I made it here. I deleted majority of my posts from the Phisohex thread and thank you so much for moving those posts across for me, I couldn't have figured it out.

I felt so sad when you said Retinol is like rubbing in grease, that's what I've been putting on my face, and that's expensive to buy.

I plan to try to get in touch with Neova, like you suggested.

Thank you!

Hi Itchin,

I'm glad you made it here too, hehe

I'm sorry, (I wasn't referring to Retinol) as grease....(what I was commenting on was in general) in that "most creams out there on the market",
IF they're not "designed" to restructure skin, "that is what I call grease" hehehe Just my terminology is all that is, because most "topical skin creams/lotions"
are just "for the moment of the nice feel when they're applied". Now I'm speaking "generally" if a product doesn't or isn't "specially designed for penetration of the epidermis".
Not that they don't protect our skin, just like Vaseline, that's better to have on skin than nothing...(if you know what I mean). We need "that barrier" to hold in moisture,
but ....the better the topical, the better the skin can be. And....not that Vaseline is great for our face either, it's not. Just using that as the example, that when creams don't contain
the correct ingredients, they then just (sit upon the skin) and do nothing but "protect the skin from the outside environment" which is a good thing, but...you're needling,
which tells me you want more than just a "protective layer on your skin".

Difference types of silicones are used, like Dimethicone, etc., for the "slip factor" which is how (nice a cream feels when we touch it) or smear it on our face, that "nice velvety" feel,
and that's brought about of course by the ingredients. Not that those are bad for the skin, as they're not, because those types of creams have too big of molecules to penetrate the
epidermis anyways. Those creams are basically just "for the moment" if you will. Meaning: they feel nice, and keep the skin protected, like a protective barrier, but...
they don't (re-structure) skin, or (re-build) anything. They're only a protective "cover" like saran wrap is.

Retin A, Glycolics, Salicylics, CP's....those are what "rebuild". The others....just "are seals" not that we don't need a protective "cover or seal" on our face, but to
rebuild/reconstruct, we need products that "first off, will penetrate the skin".

Retinol as you mentioned, isn't the same as Retin A. Not that it's not good, but...there are lots better products that will help you achieve more results is all.

And the thing is, when "needling" even though you're not breaking the skin using the (roller device) you only need to be careful as to what you're applying topically afterwards so as to
keep from irritating the skin.

If you're not having irritation from what you're using, that's wonderful, really wonderful. But, if you want to boost "the roller" effects is all, more than what retinol can ever do,
(that's why I mentioned the CP's)
as they're not irritating (the serum isn't anyways) as most other penetrating topicals are. I'm just sharing that info so you can understand it, and then make your decisions from there.

[itchin4answers]

Hi Toni,

I'm having a medical grade needling at the salon Thursday, and I really need to get a hustle on this.

I did manage to refine my search criteria lol oh my god my brain at times. Now that the noise in my mind has calmed down some what I managed to find a couple of websites this morning that sell Neova products from Australia.

You can not put 25 products in front of someone with this disease and expect them to make a decision without a lot of mental anguish, sad but true.

Now I've searched within one website for the "copper peptide serum" and this is what I get from one site;
www.fishpond.com.au/c/Beauty/q/neova+Copper+Peptide+Serum?rid=2086403543

and this is a cream that came up when I searched in another. I want to be really sure I am purchasing the right product spending that amount of money, which I know you understand.
www.thebeautyclub.com.au/skincare/neova/night-care/creme-de-la-copper-intense-moisturizer-for-normal-to-drymature-skin/16838638001

Thank you!

[itchin4answers]

I've decided, and I ordered from the beauty club link. Also I found this one, and I do want it, and will await the email for it to be in stock.
www.fishpond.com.au/Beauty/Neova-by-Procyte-Power-Defence-Anti-Ageing-Face-Serum-1oz-30ml/9999426296520

[itchin4answers]

The "Crème De La Copper" arrived first thing this morning. I have done the first application. The crème looks almost like a face mask similar in consistency & thickness to a "mud". I put too much out on my hand, so not a lot is required. It is very thick and soaks into the skin. This crème is to be applied morning & night.

The second medical grade needling went very well. This time the needle roller was able to go a little deeper and harder as the salon got a new topical anaesthetic. 23% Lignocaine & I couldn't feel anything.

[toni]

Nov 1, 2015 20:41:47 GMT -5 itchin4answers said:

The "Crème De La Copper" arrived first thing this morning. I have done the first application. The crème looks almost like a face mask similar in consistency & thickness to a "mud". I put too much out on my hand, so not a lot is required. It is very thick and soaks into the skin. This crème is to be applied morning & night.

The second medical grade needling went very well. This time the needle roller was able to go a little deeper and harder as the salon got a new topical anaesthetic. 23% Lignocaine & I couldn't feel anything.

Hi Itchin,

Good to be back, (it's horrible when the computer only works 2 minutes at most) and then freezes up. It's all fixed now.

Yes, the Crème De La Copper I have too, and I don't see the other one that I use to buy monthly, (they've changed their packaging) but...all their products are good.
It's called well, heck, I've got to go look, I keep it in the fridge. Not that it needs to be refrigerated, I just like keeping things cold (even tintures) for Morgs.

I know what you mean about the thickness, and yes, just a thin coat, (at night) or day time, but....it's "blue" I know, that's because the TRUE CP's are in it.
I'd just use it at night because of the "blue" (smurf face) heheh a few of us would call it.

They do have a (after resurfacing) product too, I think. Which that also might be beneficial. I know this stuff can run into the $'s, but, it is worth it, especially
since you're 'rolling'. For those who don't know what that is, I know that "rolling" sounds funny...but I totally understand.

Yes, diligence, time, and well...just being consistent....is "the way" I've sure found is the best key to having "time work for you and with you".

Here's a thought to help, and (not that I'm saying you need this thought), but, it's something I say to keep myself on track when I'm really wanting and needing to for long term results.

I just think about "how next year for instance, *Nov 2* will be here no matter what, and I can either have "made my skin stronger and nicer for myself" so that in one year it is stronger and better than ever
before, or, I can just let it do what it wants till next Nov 2. But Nov 2 will come and keep coming every year after.

See, (that helps me) because next year will be here before we know it. Not that Neova or your needling will take that long to see results, but....the more you use both, the more you'll see, and really our skin is
a "work in progress", as every year it changes and will get better, and as long as we "feed it" good products that help regenerate it, we can't go wrong.

You can see this bottle is beat to (here and there, and then back again) hahaha  I was buying this one monthly,

using too much, which was a waste, because more isn't better, and it's expensive at 100 bucks an ounce.

I only use like 3 drops for my whole face with this one anymore, but...the cream you have too (I love that one) also

just as much, and this "serum" just seems "gentler" on the skin when I've had peels when the meat is raw.

I mean (I've gone through lots of Neova over the years) and they are the best "imho", not that we have

exactly the same skin at all, but, derms and surgeons recommend Neova's products too, because they are

really good - and over time, they really do make a difference.  A serious difference because the skin "gets stronger"

and collagen built, just it's entire matrix becomes "better" than ever.  Time is the drawback...in that it's so not a quickie, but...

instead of time being "against us" -
in this case, time is our friend because the longer of time we use it, the better our skin gets.

[itchin4answers]

Hi toni,

Welcome back lol

Thank you for this vital information. In the package of this new cream was a leaflet, which doesn't have the cream in your image, listed. However, I just dropped an email to the Beauty Club asking if they have that one and/or another with the same ingredients. I think I'll hear back from them, as they were very efficient at replying to my question about tracking my parcel, and that's without me being a member.

[toni]

Nov 2, 2015 23:10:06 GMT -5 itchin4answers said:

Hi toni,

Welcome back lol

Thank you for this vital information. In the package of this new cream was a leaflet, which doesn't have the cream in your image, listed. However, I just dropped an email to the Beauty Club asking if they have that one and/or another with the same ingredients. I think I'll hear back from them, as they were very efficient at replying to my question about tracking my parcel, and that's without me being a member.

Hi Itching, and thank you. Yep, glad to have this machine working right again.

And I know Neova does have some "after resurfacing" product too...I'll see if I can find it.
Now of course that's for afterwards of having the 'meat torn up some' but...it's made to be extra gentle,
and I don't know how your skin feels after your roller needling, as I've only had that "aggressive gun needling"
done myself, and oh...talk about the skin flaring up afterwards from the needling sessions.
I bought my own 'needling gun' since it was the same price per hour as one single session. They may be
less expensive now, I don't know. Each session with the "needling gun" was 500 an hr. So, I spent that
on a "gun" that does the same and I don't have to go anywhere, like your needling roller (we can do that privately in our homes).
Only thing is, ((( doing it oneself))) with the "gun" isn't the same as when the aesthetician does it.
It becomes a bloody mess, hahaha oh, isn't that funny! I use the numbing creams too of course, but, (( I haven't))
done the needling with the "gun" since being aware of Morgs, because the "needling gun" does pierce the skin thousands of times,
and even though it's very superficial, it's extremely irritating since "we've got some kind of junk in our skin".
I'm so glad you're not having those flare ups.

You know, I probably had Morgs, in fact I'd bet on it, when I had my sessions done. I say that because how my skin reacted, I mean I
looked like I had cobblestones stuffed under my skin, all lumped up in "sections" - very defined and oddball looking, which was the weirdest thing,
and that would last almost 24 hrs before it all calmed down again.

I (would have) applied ice to my skin afterwards-after the needling (had I not been driving from CA back to NV) after each session...and I think that
of course would of helped calm the skin afterwards too. Also (I'd of taken an antihistamine) to also help insure not getting such a reaction
afterwards too. When we antagonize Morgs in our skin, it then seems to flare up some way or another like in lumps or even it can appear to look like
hives.

I don't know if any of this will pertain to your needs, but...just in case you need to fall back on it, these are thoughts of what would help I do believe,
IF you have an adverse reaction because of "morgs" becoming "activated"....or disturbed in the wrong way.

[toni]

Here's something Itchin, for after "non ablative" procedures, which microdermabrasion is pretty much similar "in a sense" to needling.
They're both superficial procedures done without really taking off any skin.

www.neova.com/product.aspx?id=449&productid=211


I've never used this one, but...I trust Neova products and have for over 10 years.

I have "repaired divits" that morgs made in the beginning of my infection (before I knew how to not allow morgs to make spots) or scars.


That CP in there, really wakes up the skin and what it does, and in return from us "waking it up" with CP's (copper peps) our skin looks wonderful faster,
where we want it to be that is.

But once skin 'scars' and what I mean is "that white skin" that can get left behind after we've dug, and after the skin is totally healed..that is a different story as the melanocytes have been
damaged or disrupted, and I know *science* has been working on "that part" of how to return "pigmentation" after skin is in that condition. But, I've not kept up with that since morgs.

Any red spots, those aren't scars. And Neova helps speed up the return of our normal pigmentation ...since that is not 'a disruption of pigment cells". Also retinols help
those "pink or red spots" become normal color again. Retin A works much faster than retinols by the way. Retinol is fine, but...it's only a very gentle way to cause any reaction
that we want....which that means (it's so gentle) and that it will take 10x longer than other products to help the skin do what it can do.

CP's on the other hand, (are the extreme booster), AND you can mix your Neova with Retin A or retinol (equal amounts of each) too. That's done all the time.
Actually, there's ONLY one thing I know of that you cannot mix with Neova because of the CP's in it. And that is "any" vitamin C topical, as that's a no no.
Not that it will harm you, not at all, but.....you will negate both products....so that's not what anyone would want, especially at the prices all this stuff costs, haha
You can mix glycolic creams, salicylic creams, retinol, Retin A - all with your CP's/Neova products anytime too, which all that is really good for you skin too.
Or you can use your CP's by themselves.
I know it sounds "hap-hazard" to mix many products like this, but I assure you it's not, and not only do I speak from experience of YEARS with all this, but, I learned these tips from many "cosmetic surgeons"
and aestheticians to begin with, then I read and did it myself.

[itchin4answers]

Nov 3, 2015 12:23:00 GMT -5 toni said:

Here's something Itchin, for after "non ablative" procedures, which microdermabrasion is pretty much similar "in a sense" to needling.
They're both superficial procedures done without really taking off any skin.

www.neova.com/product.aspx?id=449&productid=211


I've never used this one, but...I trust Neova products and have for over 10 years.

I have "repaired divits" that morgs made in the beginning of my infection (before I knew how to not allow morgs to make spots) or scars.


That CP in there, really wakes up the skin and what it does, and in return from us "waking it up" with CP's (copper peps) our skin looks wonderful faster,
where we want it to be that is.

But once skin 'scars' and what I mean is "that white skin" that can get left behind after we've dug, and after the skin is totally healed..that is a different story as the melanocytes have been
damaged or disrupted, and I know *science* has been working on "that part" of how to return "pigmentation" after skin is in that condition. But, I've not kept up with that since morgs.

Any red spots, those aren't scars. And Neova helps speed up the return of our normal pigmentation ...since that is not 'a disruption of pigment cells". Also retinols help
those "pink or red spots" become normal color again. Retin A works much faster than retinols by the way. Retinol is fine, but...it's only a very gentle way to cause any reaction
that we want....which that means (it's so gentle) and that it will take 10x longer than other products to help the skin do what it can do.

CP's on the other hand, (are the extreme booster), AND you can mix your Neova with Retin A or retinol (equal amounts of each) too. That's done all the time.
Actually, there's ONLY one thing I know of that you cannot mix with Neova because of the CP's in it. And that is "any" vitamin C topical, as that's a no no.
Not that it will harm you, not at all, but.....you will negate both products....so that's not what anyone would want, especially at the prices all this stuff costs, haha
You can mix glycolic creams, salicylic creams, retinol, Retin A - all with your CP's/Neova products anytime too, which all that is really good for you skin too.
Or you can use your CP's by themselves.
I know it sounds "hap-hazard" to mix many products like this, but I assure you it's not, and not only do I speak from experience of YEARS with all this, but, I learned these tips from many "cosmetic surgeons"
and aestheticians to begin with, then I read and did it myself.

I don't know anything about ingredients and so appreciate this. You know last night I put on the Vitamin C Serum and then I said to myself "I wonder if the Copper will counteract the C and vice versa". Well I was right and had no clue! so thanks a bunch. I won't be mixing them again.

I've tried to get the product on the link, about 3 websites will ask country destination and they won't ship it due to restrictions. What a load of BS.

I am still waiting to hear back from the beauty club, and I know on that link that product would be perfect and I think similar to your serum in the photo.



I had peels years ago by Dermatologists, it wasn't until about 2000 after I'd had a peel done that my skin was awful. Like you've described before toni. My skin was flaking and peeling. I can still remember I was working in the city doing temp work Medical Secretary and I went and had the procedure done after work, which required me catching a tram over the other side of the city. I remember telling the Derm about some skin issues and I couldn't understand back then, why he didn't answer and literally ignored me. It was nothing out of the ordinary, trust me, I think I was just talking about breakouts and my skin not right. I remember taking my hand mirror out of my bag sitting on the tram, looking at my face on the way home, it looked terrible. The coming days it looked worse!

So yup, I had all going on then in my face, but of course as the morgs changed I had no idea what I was dealing with.

Not sure what to do now, other than wait! haha seems my life right now. Maybe tomorrow I will think straighter but this info has put me on the right path.

[toni]

Nov 4, 2015 0:15:05 GMT -5 itchin4answers said:

Nov 3, 2015 12:23:00 GMT -5 toni said:

Here's something Itchin, for after "non ablative" procedures, which microdermabrasion is pretty much similar "in a sense" to needling.
They're both superficial procedures done without really taking off any skin.

www.neova.com/product.aspx?id=449&productid=211


I've never used this one, but...I trust Neova products and have for over 10 years.

I have "repaired divits" that morgs made in the beginning of my infection (before I knew how to not allow morgs to make spots) or scars.


That CP in there, really wakes up the skin and what it does, and in return from us "waking it up" with CP's (copper peps) our skin looks wonderful faster,
where we want it to be that is.

But once skin 'scars' and what I mean is "that white skin" that can get left behind after we've dug, and after the skin is totally healed..that is a different story as the melanocytes have been
damaged or disrupted, and I know *science* has been working on "that part" of how to return "pigmentation" after skin is in that condition. But, I've not kept up with that since morgs.

Any red spots, those aren't scars. And Neova helps speed up the return of our normal pigmentation ...since that is not 'a disruption of pigment cells". Also retinols help
those "pink or red spots" become normal color again. Retin A works much faster than retinols by the way. Retinol is fine, but...it's only a very gentle way to cause any reaction
that we want....which that means (it's so gentle) and that it will take 10x longer than other products to help the skin do what it can do.

CP's on the other hand, (are the extreme booster), AND you can mix your Neova with Retin A or retinol (equal amounts of each) too. That's done all the time.
Actually, there's ONLY one thing I know of that you cannot mix with Neova because of the CP's in it. And that is "any" vitamin C topical, as that's a no no.
Not that it will harm you, not at all, but.....you will negate both products....so that's not what anyone would want, especially at the prices all this stuff costs, haha
You can mix glycolic creams, salicylic creams, retinol, Retin A - all with your CP's/Neova products anytime too, which all that is really good for you skin too.
Or you can use your CP's by themselves.
I know it sounds "hap-hazard" to mix many products like this, but I assure you it's not, and not only do I speak from experience of YEARS with all this, but, I learned these tips from many "cosmetic surgeons"
and aestheticians to begin with, then I read and did it myself.

I don't know anything about ingredients and so appreciate this. You know last night I put on the Vitamin C Serum and then I said to myself "I wonder if the Copper will counteract the C and vice versa". Well I was right and had no clue! so thanks a bunch. I won't be mixing them again.

I've tried to get the product on the link, about 3 websites will ask country destination and they won't ship it due to restrictions. What a load of BS.

I am still waiting to hear back from the beauty club, and I know on that link that product would be perfect and I think similar to your serum in the photo.



I had peels years ago by Dermatologists, it wasn't until about 2000 after I'd had a peel done that my skin was awful. Like you've described before toni. My skin was flaking and peeling. I can still remember I was working in the city doing temp work Medical Secretary and I went and had the procedure done after work, which required me catching a tram over the other side of the city. I remember telling the Derm about some skin issues and I couldn't understand back then, why he didn't answer and literally ignored me. It was nothing out of the ordinary, trust me, I think I was just talking about breakouts and my skin not right. I remember taking my hand mirror out of my bag sitting on the tram, looking at my face on the way home, it looked terrible. The coming days it looked worse!

So yup, I had all going on then in my face, but of course as the morgs changed I had no idea what I was dealing with.

Not sure what to do now, other than wait! haha seems my life right now. Maybe tomorrow I will think straighter but this info has put me on the right path.

[toni]

Nov 4, 2015 0:15:05 GMT -5 itchin4answers said:

Nov 3, 2015 12:23:00 GMT -5 toni said:

Here's something Itchin, for after "non ablative" procedures, which microdermabrasion is pretty much similar "in a sense" to needling.
They're both superficial procedures done without really taking off any skin.

www.neova.com/product.aspx?id=449&productid=211


I've never used this one, but...I trust Neova products and have for over 10 years.

I have "repaired divits" that morgs made in the beginning of my infection (before I knew how to not allow morgs to make spots) or scars.


That CP in there, really wakes up the skin and what it does, and in return from us "waking it up" with CP's (copper peps) our skin looks wonderful faster,
where we want it to be that is.

But once skin 'scars' and what I mean is "that white skin" that can get left behind after we've dug, and after the skin is totally healed..that is a different story as the melanocytes have been
damaged or disrupted, and I know *science* has been working on "that part" of how to return "pigmentation" after skin is in that condition. But, I've not kept up with that since morgs.

Any red spots, those aren't scars. And Neova helps speed up the return of our normal pigmentation ...since that is not 'a disruption of pigment cells". Also retinols help
those "pink or red spots" become normal color again. Retin A works much faster than retinols by the way. Retinol is fine, but...it's only a very gentle way to cause any reaction
that we want....which that means (it's so gentle) and that it will take 10x longer than other products to help the skin do what it can do.

CP's on the other hand, (are the extreme booster), AND you can mix your Neova with Retin A or retinol (equal amounts of each) too. That's done all the time.
Actually, there's ONLY one thing I know of that you cannot mix with Neova because of the CP's in it. And that is "any" vitamin C topical, as that's a no no.
Not that it will harm you, not at all, but.....you will negate both products....so that's not what anyone would want, especially at the prices all this stuff costs, haha
You can mix glycolic creams, salicylic creams, retinol, Retin A - all with your CP's/Neova products anytime too, which all that is really good for you skin too.
Or you can use your CP's by themselves.
I know it sounds "hap-hazard" to mix many products like this, but I assure you it's not, and not only do I speak from experience of YEARS with all this, but, I learned these tips from many "cosmetic surgeons"
and aestheticians to begin with, then I read and did it myself.

I don't know anything about ingredients and so appreciate this. You know last night I put on the Vitamin C Serum and then I said to myself "I wonder if the Copper will counteract the C and vice versa". Well I was right and had no clue! so thanks a bunch. I won't be mixing them again.

I've tried to get the product on the link, about 3 websites will ask country destination and they won't ship it due to restrictions. What a load of BS.

I am still waiting to hear back from the beauty club, and I know on that link that product would be perfect and I think similar to your serum in the photo.



I had peels years ago by Dermatologists, it wasn't until about 2000 after I'd had a peel done that my skin was awful. Like you've described before toni. My skin was flaking and peeling. I can still remember I was working in the city doing temp work Medical Secretary and I went and had the procedure done after work, which required me catching a tram over the other side of the city. I remember telling the Derm about some skin issues and I couldn't understand back then, why he didn't answer and literally ignored me. It was nothing out of the ordinary, trust me, I think I was just talking about breakouts and my skin not right. I remember taking my hand mirror out of my bag sitting on the tram, looking at my face on the way home, it looked terrible. The coming days it looked worse!

So yup, I had all going on then in my face, but of course as the morgs changed I had no idea what I was dealing with.

Not sure what to do now, other than wait! haha seems my life right now. Maybe tomorrow I will think straighter but this info has put me on the right path.

Itchin, you're a smart gal, and that thought you had of the "topical C and CP" was right on target.

Hope all is going well.

Take care.

[ruthintoronto]

:)Hi Toni and Itchin, Toni I tell everyone about the mustard, thanks. Long time since I have signed in and I did because of this thread, lol. I look awful my skin sucks. I am 59 and my face is falling. Well I started exercising and body looks not to bad but the face, the face.

I have ordered the neova product above and a few other products from them.

I am thinking of doing an at home peel, what do you think? www.makeupartistschoice.com/125-TCA-Peels_p_21.html

My neck also looks like crap.

Any other suggestions to help.?

What is a good vitamin C product or do you think we can make are own or is there something better? Thanks so much Toni.

I am fair with thin skin have in the past did at home peel, no real difference. I feel the morgellons has eaten my collagen. Also with super exercise I can not build muscle must be a morgellons thing.

I am also going to do facial exercises.

[toni]

Nov 9, 2015 16:08:30 GMT -5 ruthintoronto said:

:)Hi Toni and Itchin, Toni I tell everyone about the mustard, thanks. Long time since I have signed in and I did because of this thread, lol. I look awful my skin sucks. I am 59 and my face is falling. Well I started exercising and body looks not to bad but the face, the face.

I have ordered the neova product above and a few other products from them.

I am thinking of doing an at home peel, what do you think? www.makeupartistschoice.com/125-TCA-Peels_p_21.html

My neck also looks like crap.

Any other suggestions to help.?

What is a good vitamin C product or do you think we can make are own or is there something better? Thanks so much Toni.

I am fair with thin skin have in the past did at home peel, no real difference. I feel the morgellons has eaten my collagen. Also with super exercise I can not build muscle must be a morgellons thing.

I am also going to do facial exercises.

Hi Ruthintoronto,

Great to see you. How are you doing?

Yep, all us girls may have morgs, but we still need and want to fix the problems and changes etc, so I'm sure happy to share anything I can.
Yes, you'll like it, the Neova as it's perfect too for after peels. I'll look at that link you've posted about the peeling, and get back to you.
Right now is the morn rush but I wanted to reply and say hi too.
I'm reading through your post and about Vit C products, (not that this is the best, but...it's one I favored) I use SkinCeuticals, not sure how they spell that, isn't that funny,
use something for years and the spelling doesn't really stick.
Be back asap.