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Post by jwf on Dec 12, 2007 0:17:28 GMT -5
Hi Reasonable,
There are two people in my household now with no fibers, no itch, no foggy brain, etc.
Done with herbs only, and quite a few raw. Some are natural dewormers, like garlic, pau d'arco, oregano, etc.
We also have no Lyme symptoms, and I now test negative with IgeneX-- again thanks to herbs.
My wife and I have both been herbalists for many years and it worked well for us to find the right combina- tions. Many of the same herbs we used are now part of the Bruhner protocol (Healing Lyme) that has had some success.
We travel, stay in hotels, ride planes, and all those things we couldn't and wouldn't do back when the suffer- ing was at its worst. My not so novel idea is that the herbs helped our immune systems recover so that we can now fight off most assaults.
There are other precautions that we take, like not eating GMO soybeans and corn. Most of our meats are organically raised, and white rice, white sugar, degermed overly processed grains, heat processed oils, fast foods, etc., are taboo in our household.
Workouts really help, including walking almost 2 miles per day. Your immune system needs all the help it can get, especially if you have Lyme and co-infections.
Blue Skies...........John
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Post by doraisabel on Dec 12, 2007 0:43:51 GMT -5
grady do a parasite cleanse and stick to natural meds homepathic I tried everything and nothing worked. you can also do happy tummy that is amazing you can research more about its benefits at tummyssage.com. Give the kids willard water mix about 8-0 drops in filtered water it also works if you spray it. My kids dont have a symptom and they also lay on the pad.
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Post by doraisabel on Dec 12, 2007 0:45:08 GMT -5
yes the pau d'arco is very helpful so is green tea and pomegranate. Really do the natural tx so much better
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Post by ANTHILL on Dec 12, 2007 1:13:15 GMT -5
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Post by adill on Dec 12, 2007 9:58:09 GMT -5
I realize that everyone wants to help the situation by offering help with herbs etc... but you totally get off the topic and that is the fact that we have been treated terribly by the physicians who suppposidly are doing research and constantly dissapear into the night.
I too have children who are suffering and give me a break at finding a physician who gives a poop when the ones who do know something wont open their mouths to save our lives. I am sick of reading that this doesnt kill- Even the good Dr. Harvey knows that this does and yet nothing is done!!!!!
These are the posts that need to be written!!!! It is long overdue for some answers- if not - Any information obtained from my family or yours should be excluded from their slow attempt to find answers and put in the hands of someone who will DEMAND answers not just take "BABY STEPS" why we wither away!!!!! I am so sick of doing everything their slow way when our opinion doesnt seem to matter!!!
I can understand when some people do not like to rock the boat- but those people need to understand then when some want to rock it for them!! Anyone who wants to yell and scream- I am behind you 100% -WE NEED MORE LIKE YOU!!!
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Post by grady on Dec 12, 2007 10:20:50 GMT -5
That's right adill, Dr. Harvey said this is "life shortening" HIS WORDS FOLKS, LIFE SHORTENING, and my children have this, he knows how to cure them, or at least make it fade so much you have no symptoms, BUT HE'S OFF PLAYING SCIENTIST AND SITTING ON HIS GOLDEN LITTLE SECRETE. AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED DR HARVEY IS GUILTY OF CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY, HE DOES NOT NEED APPROVAL TO PRESCRIBE OR TREAT PARASITES, WE GIVE IVERMECTIN, ABLENDAZOLE AND OTHER THINGS TO FOLKS IN OTHER COUNTRYS AS A MATTER OF PREVENTION, WITH NO TESTS AT ALL.
YOU ARE RIGHT ADILL, SOON WE GET IN OUR CARS, DRIVE TO DR HARVEY HOUSE OR THE MRF RESEARCH GROUP AND PROTEST AND PICKET AND DEMAND TREATMENT, I AM VERY CLOSE TO CONTACTING THE MEDIA AND GOING DOWN THEIR AND CAMPING OUT WITH MY KIDS UNTIL WE GET THE $35 DOLLARS WORTH OF MEDS TO CURE US.
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Post by godog on Dec 12, 2007 10:21:44 GMT -5
Why doesn't everybody who is that mad, march with signs. No kidding. I'm serious. Call the tv stations and then march somewhere like outside your local health department, local hospital, whereever. Tv likes that stuff. I have been mad as hell at the whole enchilada of medical care, cdc, our government, and if I didn't work, I would march and get on tv. As it is, I need my job worse and I just don't have the energy. Your friends will sit up and take notice and realize you weren't just whistling Dixie.
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Post by godog on Dec 12, 2007 10:23:17 GMT -5
Hey look at all the coverage Cindy Sheehan got.
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Post by adill on Dec 12, 2007 10:43:11 GMT -5
Well, I have done those marches into the health department- I have done several media attempts- yes they love the story, make several promises and then they too dissapear!!!
Cynthia McFadden sat at my dining room table and cried with us and promised my chldren help- Promised to keep the story scientific not bug related- and presto_____BUGS____ The CDC has written me letters along with other political offices promising some assistance and presto____NOTHING______
Any other ideas? I am now so sick in bed that I cant keep up with my 4 children. What will you tell them when I am gone? The point is that these people who have the authority or publicity should be screaming for us! I am not only mad but ready to give up on what I do have left- this is very hard for me to even say because I am nothing but a fighter- I really wish i wasnt such a fighter sometimes and could crawl back into that hole of ignorance and not know what is going on with our lives.
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Post by Carrie♥ on Dec 12, 2007 12:00:46 GMT -5
Thanks JWF for speaking up about the herbs. Your words are respected and truly considered by all I'm sure. I cringe at the thought that some of our sick folks may fear taking herbs because of Reasonable's reckless claims.
Adill...I'm sorry you are so sick, as are your children. I'm very sorry you lost your husband and that your children lost their father. I'm sorry you, your family...the country have been lied too! I've always wanted to talk to you about your home since I heard your story of how soon after moving into your new home, the supposed to be "American Dream" turned into the most horrible experience any one could imagine. I'm sure you've considered the environment as a source of your illness, I just hope you've been fortunate to find some environmentalists that truly care, to check out every avenue of possible toxic exposure that can make you sick in the home. The thought of you being bed ridden and your children already loosing one parent to this disease is SO HORRENDOUS to even catch a glimpse of thought. They must be scared to death...that makes me so sad for them and for you, there is not much worse than being completely powerless in this sense. No child should spend their life growing up in that type of fear. Time and time again my daughter was worried that I was going to die. It haunted her sleep and consumed her thoughts day in and out. It wasn't a good thing for her and made me so sad for her...not me really but so sad to see the pain and fear in her eye at the thought of her loosing her Momma.
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Post by reasonable on Dec 12, 2007 12:04:40 GMT -5
Hi Reasonable,
There are two people in my household now with no fibers, no itch, no foggy brain, etc.
Done with herbs only, and quite a few raw. Some are natural dewormers, like garlic, pau d'arco, oregano, etc. ... Blue Skies...........JohnJohn, there is no denying that herbs are powerful medicine, especially in the hands of an expert. This does not change the fact that unprocessed herbs are loaded with spores/eggs/insects that serve as a source of infection. This sort of reminds me of a recent scandal in China, where they skipped some of the rules of hygiene in making an antibiotic. Out of hundreds who took it a dozen or so were killed, because it gave them even worse infection than they were treating and their immune systems could not overcome it. Blue Skies is a notable screen name, and I recall seeing some years ago posts on various lay and professional boards signed with a similar if not the same name, and it was asking to help ID micro images of intestinal parasites that IMO were newly evaginated tapeworms. Was it you by any chance, and if so, how do you think you got this infection?
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Post by felixwillford on Dec 12, 2007 12:19:46 GMT -5
Herbs are powerful and that is precisely why the FDA want to "control" them and water down our vitamins as well.
Thus leaving us no choice but to make pharm. companies and probably politicians very rich while we suffer.
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Post by reasonable on Dec 12, 2007 12:26:30 GMT -5
Thanks JWF for speaking up about the herbs. Your words are respected and truly considered by all I'm sure. I cringe at the thought that some of our sick folks may fear taking herbs because of Reasonable's reckless claims. No, Carrie, it is you who is reckless in encouraging sick people with obviously compromised immunity to continue to violate the basic rules of hygiene as they try to heal. Herbs are strong medicine. Still, they have to be cleaned - simmered, irradiated, tinctured - before consumption.
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Post by grady on Dec 12, 2007 12:31:35 GMT -5
Well isn't this just great, now herbs are off limits to me. Well, Prevenge, write or wrong you have given me sufficient doubts, I am stopping my Cats Claw, so now, it's just vitamins and a slow death, thanks Dr. Harvey and others for letting us twist in the wind. I did another dose of FenBen last night and I'm on Hulda Clarks protocol, I can guarantee you that I have no intestinal parasite, these are in the skin.
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Post by reasonable on Dec 12, 2007 13:10:22 GMT -5
Grady, I hope you're simmering those Hulda Clarks herbs or take them as tinctures. In any rate, in my book that poorly educated woman is a quack and I urge you to look up better naturopaths, like maybe dr Schultze.
How much of fenben you're taking? IMO crawlies are due to larvae of adults that live in the GI tract, lungs or other places in the body. If these worms reproduce in your body, it is very - very - important not to underdose when starting to treat them. Because of the natural genetic variation, the resistance in nematodes develops in only 2-3 cycles: susceptible individuals are killed allowing the resistant ones to reproduce.
The dose of fenben for an average adult is 3g taken in 3 divided doses, with meals - that's more than the whole 25g tube of 10% horse paste. If you've been taking small doses of fenben, you should stop for at least a month while trying other meds, like ivermectin.
There is no denying, there is a lot to know about drugs and medicine and it's naive to think that you could get it from a post or two. I can't type too much. Niels is knowledgeable about drugs and dosages. Perhaps he could advise you.
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Post by felixwillford on Dec 12, 2007 14:09:13 GMT -5
Info found on Harvey for those who don't know anything about him: IT IS AN OLDER ARTICLE............................ Ancient Engine of An Unrecognised 'Borreliosis' Pandemic? A former NASA physician and epidemiologist based in Houston also believes there is an infectious bacteria at the heart of this problem. Dr. William Harvey is the current chairman of the NASA Education Advisory Committee. He has documented more than 565 of these (Borreliosis) cases in Texas and says 94% of (those with Morgellons’ skin lesions) have tested positive for the bacteria associated with Lyme disease, or Borreliosis. "I think we are a looking at a major problem that has been unrecognized in humanity right now." Harvey co-authored a published medical study concluding the bacteria Borrelia burgdorferi, associated with Lyme disease, could be at the heart of a widely unknown misdiagnosed infection. In 2003 Harvey published his research in the medical journal Medical Hypotheses. His article 'Lyme Disease': Ancient Engine of an Unrecognized Borreliosis Pandemic', suggests that the bacteria associated with Lyme disease is much more widely distributed. "The yet-unrecognized form appears to have a broader clinical presentation, wider geographic distribution, and vastly greater prevalence," Harvey wrote in his report. He says research suggests it attacks the immune system in a specific way rendering it susceptible to these unusual organisms. "The lab tests that we do are predictably showing certain immune damage and it is consistent from patient to patient to patient to patient." Harvey believes the bacteria is the bigger problem. But the so-called parasites, which have yet to be clinically proven in a controlled laboratory setting, do have highly unusual characteristics as seen through a scanning electron microscope.Harvey says some of the "filaments" have been confirmed as the infectious yeast Candida tropicalis and that doctors can easily see the physical symptoms in people who are branded “delusional.” He says when patients complain that “fibers” are coming out of their skin sores, physicians should investigate. “ All the doctors have to do is buy a 30X hand-held microscope from Radio Shack and look,” Harvey said. “The facts speak for themselves.” Microscopic bug called 'Collembolan' could also be involvedThe 'National Pediculosis Association' in Boston, Massachusetts, originally created to increase awareness about head lice and protect children from pesticides has also done some research. They teamed up with the Oklahoma State Department of Health to study Morg. They took skin samples from 20 patients who claim they have the bugs, but were diagnosed by their doctors as delusional. Researchers found collembolan, a microscopic bug, in 18 of the 20 patients. Collembola feed on algae, bacteria and decaying matter. They thrive in wet or damp surroundings, and can be found under leaky kitchen or bathroom sinks, swimming pools, and the soil of potted plants. The report has been published in the journal of the New York Entomological Association. www.schmoo.co.uk/morgellons.htm
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Post by grady on Dec 12, 2007 14:33:27 GMT -5
Well prevenge, based on what you're saying I'm as good a dead, and I'm not joking. I am just never going to make it, I can't beat the crawling and they are killing me, so I'm a gonner, in a way, I'm looking forward to it, I'm sick of this crap.
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Post by godog on Dec 12, 2007 15:52:45 GMT -5
Adill, yes, I have another idea, stay mad as hell and be sure and stress yourself out to the max and make an already bad situation worse.
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Post by godog on Dec 12, 2007 15:58:57 GMT -5
And then come here and yell at other sick people. What a bunch of crybabies.
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Post by Carrie♥ on Dec 12, 2007 16:14:58 GMT -5
Grady, I hope you're simmering those Hulda Clarks herbs or take them as tinctures. In any rate, in my book that poorly educated woman is a quack and I urge you to look up better naturopaths, like maybe dr Schultze. There you go Reasonable...again...spreading false truths!!! She studied biophysics and cell physiology and got her doctorate in physiology at the University of Minnesota. That is far from poorly educated! You may not have to like her or her theories but once again you've shown your character by spreading untruths. Sounds like a banana in the tail pipe syndrome...are you back to thinking the chains are tapeworm derived? Grady...who are you talkin' too? Prevenge or Reasonable? Huh and then for you to talk about wrong encouragement!?! Tellin' folks to take enough Fenbendazole, actually more than needed to deworm a horse when herbs can do the same thing with much less toxic effect to the body!?! I don't get it ::)won't be the first time though !
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