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Post by zabrubon on Dec 10, 2007 15:07:25 GMT -5
I Have been gone a while, off work for three weeks, started new meds. Now back at work. Wondering about Harvey. Any one here have a direct line? If so i would like to speak to you regarding. I want to know where he is, i think he is the one with our cure. ChicagoBonnie
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Post by paddel on Dec 10, 2007 16:53:07 GMT -5
I think he went back to Texas to his home. I have been trying to get in touch with him myself. Even had a doctor track down any prescriptions that he has written out to patients. He is doing research full time and telephone number cannot be found anywhere.
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Post by zabrubon on Dec 11, 2007 15:45:57 GMT -5
hARVEY WHERE ARE YOU?
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Post by grady on Dec 11, 2007 15:52:36 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm pretty angry at Dr. Harvey, supposedly they have identified this as three types of worms yet are sitting on the information while me and my children are being eaten alive. Oh yes, science, medicine, right, if it's worms then get us the @#$# meds and get off your high horses, I will never forgive them for keeping this all hush hush, never ...
But rest assured, he's got his meds, everythings fine and rosey ... Stop over at my house Dr Harvey and look my children in the eye and tell them why they must live ruined lives because they cannot get 80$ worth of medicine, shame on you
Whats the FREAKIN SECRETE, IF ONE HAS WORMS GET THEM MEDS, NO NEED FOR STUDIES, GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK
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Post by zabrubon on Dec 11, 2007 16:31:30 GMT -5
grady, oh my how awful to watch you little ones go through that and i don't blame you for being rightously angry. they have no reason not to give us the answer NOW and why wait? wait for what? i don't get it either but perhaps he must have all his ducks in a row before he can publish, otherwise they will find the glitches and dispprove. just a guess but what are you doing for your kids for meds
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Post by grady on Dec 11, 2007 16:43:48 GMT -5
But dissapprove what? They are playing games, parasites are parasites, come on man, this is freaking BS, totally. They act like this is being just discovered, give me a break, this is done as an normal routine in over half the world? I mean what gives. Dr. Harvey, if you are reading this thread you are letting my children suffer, you, yes you personally are harming them. Go ahead and ban me moderator, but they are like children playing store. THERE IS NO NEED FOR STUDY, DOCTORS CAN PRESCRIBE FOR PARASITES RIGHT NOW, RIGHT THIS VERY MINUTE, COME DOCTOR, COME OVER TO MY HOUSE, SEE MY BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN BEING EATEN ALIVE WHILE YOU PLAY HOUSE AND TRY TO IMPRESS YOUR PIERS.
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Post by robertalouise26 on Dec 11, 2007 16:55:22 GMT -5
Dear Lord Grady i have been trying for nearly 12 years now for doctors to listen to me. Entomologist, parasitologist, dermaatologist with not one iota of help. My new GP has prescribed Malathion. It now goes by the name Derbac M it is very good but the herxing is TERRIBLE after about 3 hours last night I couldn't stand it anymore so took my sleeping tablets, sleep gives me some respite. But what started the herxing at the beginning of the week was having a hot bath and using oatmeal soap. I found this out from another board a long long time ago and it does work. It just matters of how much herxing you can take!! I have this bug in my ears it is always worse after using the Derbac M I think these things rush to my ears to escape the malathion, so I have just started puting it in my ears and the itching and pain in my ears is dreadful. The bug in my ears is called Pseudomonas Aeeruginosa you can look it up on the internet. Thank you for you post. Love and best wishes. Roberta.
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Post by reasonable on Dec 11, 2007 18:34:59 GMT -5
Grady, it sounds as if you need a "permission" from Dr. Harvey to treat your children.
There are very few wormers approved for human use: ivermectin, albendazole, mebendazole, thiabendazole. It does not matter what type of worm he found, other that it was a roundworm. Those are the meds. If one does not work, try a larger dose or switch to another or try several of them at once. Treat yourself first before you treat them.
And stop infecting yourself and yours with herbal supplements. Herbs must be simmered for at least 15 mins or taken as tincture or freezedried extracts.
It is normal for raw dry herbs to contain bacterial, fungal znd mold spores, insects and their pathogens, etc. - plus some herbals are contaminated with eggs of parasites. The more such herbs you consume, the greater is your exposure to various pathogens. It's quite simple, really.
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Post by robertalouise26 on Dec 11, 2007 18:51:14 GMT -5
Hi reasonable does it make a difference if the herbs are cooked?? Thanks for your post. Best. Roberta.
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Post by godog on Dec 11, 2007 18:54:18 GMT -5
Grady, I totally agree with you.
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Post by reasonable on Dec 11, 2007 19:11:15 GMT -5
Hi reasonable does it make a difference if the herbs are cooked?? Thanks for your post. Best. Roberta. Yes, it makes all the difference in the world, Roberta. That's how herbs should be taken. It is best to make extracts by simmering herbs for hours, in a glass or ceramic vessel. This will not only render them safe from pathogens they may contain, but also will release the phytonutrients, the very reason you take the herbs. It is well known that ill people have insufficient digestion. Taking raw dry herbs is not only dangerous for the pathogens they contain but it is also doubtful how much of their nutrients you may absorb. Alcoholic tincture or aqueous extract - freezedried or freshly prepared by yourself - will guarantee the maximum absorption and safety from contaminants.
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Post by grady on Dec 11, 2007 19:29:13 GMT -5
So what Reasonable, I'm supposed to buy drugs from Mexico and guess at the dosages, somebody tell me how to go about this. I've done FenBen, maybe I need to do more, are you telling me you guys have all gotten rid of the crawling and biting, cause if I can do that I'm cured.
Still what Dr Harvey has done (first posting the information and then pulling it) is unforgivable, doesn't he realize that if there is a way to prove we have these parasites then we can get treatment, HONESTLY, WHAT HE HAS DONE IS CRIMINAL, THERE IS NO NEED TO HIDE THIER RESULTS, IF A PERSON HAS PARASITES THERE ARE MEDS FOR IT, WHATS TO STUDY, WHY SEEK PEER REVIEW, THIS IS NONSENSE, PURE UNITED STATES BULL CRAP. IN ANY OTHER COUNTRY THEY (WE) WOULD BE SIMPLY CARED FOR, BUT NOT IN THIS FREAKIN COUNTRY.
I'm so sorry guys, you act if this is so easy to get rid of? I have crawling so bad in my feet at times I cannot walk? Where do I order and how much, someone told me medmex but I saw it was from mexico and got worried, I've heard these operations swap out real meds for all kinds of garbage?
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Post by reasonable on Dec 11, 2007 19:55:50 GMT -5
I'm sorry Grady, it's not a perfect world and we do what we have to. Sure helps not to expect too much. It's feeling of entitlement that usually gets us.
How much fenben you've been taking? What other drugs did you take?
Yes of course you can get rid of crawlies. But you can quickly get them back. You have to take a good look at the herbs you take and which are raw.
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Post by godog on Dec 11, 2007 20:36:37 GMT -5
Grady, I so feel your pain and frustration. Boy, I wish I could help. I have this in my rectum and buttcrack and everywhere else down there and let me tell you, it is no picnic. But, I also get itchies in other places and I find that for my feet, the otc meds, footsprays and cremes help superficially for that awful itch. I use to try everything for the rectal itch, I swear sometimes I'd try something that would send me through the roof, pain-wise and would have to be quickly rinsed off. I've learned to be very cautious with that tender area. I always say I just don't know why I'm not any crazier than I am. I have a short fuse these days, that's for sure and actually want to get in a fistfight with somebody. Crazy!!!
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Post by betsy on Dec 11, 2007 21:24:37 GMT -5
Grady- What helped me the most with crawling was special herbal teas from a natural medicine doctor--think they were mostly oriental teas. (Have no idea if they were pretreated or not. This was ground fine and not dry herbs.) He made this customized to my body needs. He is one of a kind practitioner. Maybe you have someone like this in your state.
PM me if you want to know any more.
Also-I used sulfur sprays for my skin and my regular doctor had me use vasoline to smother the crawling. I found out later that Dr. Hildy says not to use vasoline or vicks due to petroleum base--but to tell the truth, the vasoline worked very well and provided some of my only relief (put in on very think) and drank the "crawling" tea. I still use the vicks regularly as I have chronic cough stuff going on in the chest. Strong "crawling" tea and vasoline were my weapons of choice. They seemed to have helped me greatly. The FIR pad has also helped. Zapping (bought a zapper) also helped my hands and rest of body crawling. Feet- One good thing for feet is to throw away your socks daily. When your feet are crawling, socks don't seem the best thing to mix in with other laundry.
I still keep my clothes in plastic bags to keep from contamination. I prewash by hand (quick dip /soak) in enzymes--item by item, before the washing machine. Also, I really think that working on getting rid of fabrics in the environment--ie-carpet, curtains, etc is helpful. Hope this helps. I've learned not to state that I am rid of the crawling. I think it lies under the surface and one lives in a zone of caution--sometimes it starts to try to return. I run for the "crawling" tea and it helps. Betsy I care about your children and I am so sorry they have have this. I will remember to include them in my prayers.
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Post by grady on Dec 11, 2007 21:56:59 GMT -5
Reasonable, I am only doing Cat's Claw from Rain Tree. Otherwise I am only doing minerals, vitamins and such. However, I just started on something I hope will cure me? It's called Fulvic Acid, now before you go all bonkers, it's very safe, and I have the best brand, see www.vitalearth.org/index.htmThe have all plant based minerals in it too, amazing stuff, I take it with Chlorine free water of course. I'm only on my 2nd day, yesterday did 1/4 oz, today 3/4 oz, tomorrow a full oz. I think long term something like this can cure us, it's far better than just silver, and it's proven to cure folks from lots of very serious things. Thank you everybody, and for your pm's, I'm angry, you can tell of course, I'm tired of this, and doctors that wont help that are playing games.
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Post by robertalouise26 on Dec 11, 2007 22:14:59 GMT -5
Hi betsy vaseline is the thing that has helped me the most with thing epecially if it is used after applying Derbac M. Best. Roberta.
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Post by reasonable on Dec 11, 2007 22:30:03 GMT -5
Is your cats claw raw? Coming from locals in a rain forest, that's an excellent source of pathogens and parasites. Same for Fulvic Acid. You people are asking for it. And you sure are getting it.
Hear this: the consumption of raw, unwashed, unprocessed, uncooked - UNCLEAN - foodstuffs is the violation of the most basic hygiene. That's what made us humans. That's the basis of civilization.
Hello?
Besides, Grady, why do you take minerals and herbs when it's a good dewormer that you need?
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Post by grady on Dec 11, 2007 23:00:10 GMT -5
There is no way I am getting parasites from the fulvic acid (I called and talked to them about the process), nor the Rain Tree, jwf did rain tree for years, still does, he's cured, sorry, but you cannot cook cats claw and other herbs, we eat salads every day, nematodes, hookworms, and other parasites are rampant in the soil here i the us, and immigrants handle that stuff every day, and millions eat raw vegetables, salads and alike every day. I am not continually being re-infected, I was infected, am still infected.
"Besides, Grady, why do you take minerals and herbs when it's a good dewormer that you need?"
Really, maybe so, but where's the proof that this is worms? JWF was cured, he had the biting and threads, crawling, massive itching, no longer, nor did he do dewormers, the lady in NY did herbs, she's cured, no pharmasuitical dewormers, if dewormers cured we'd all be cured, that doesn't mean I wont take them however.
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Post by reasonable on Dec 11, 2007 23:32:54 GMT -5
JWF was not cured, because his recent post said that he still had fibers.
If it's not worms, what's crawling?
Fulvic acid is an excellent plant hormone and the core ingredient of a compost pile. Why would a human need it?
Pharmaceutical dewormers "do not cure" because you keep reinfecting yourselves by violating the basic rules of hygiene.
You wash your salads before eating. No-one washes herbs before drying them. Again: it is normal for a dry herb to contain bacterial, fungal and mold spores and also insects and their pathogens.
As for parasite eggs, you should visit one of those rain forest villages where your cats claw sits for weeks on end in a pile on the ground awaiting collection by a broker. That will open your eyes.
It is only 30 years or so when we began to take raw dry herbs and that's exactly coincides with emergence of this crap. And the more people take them the more it spreads.
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