Baculovirus is Identified as Morgellons

[jeany]

Feb 3, 2010 7:38:26 GMT -5 kammy said:

And, Jeany found a natural product from bees called propolis which is supposed to deactive BIOWARFARE chemistry... she'll tell you more about it... we've ordered some.

It's called PROPOLIS, a bee's wax with natural barriers against all sorts of pathogens. German scientists have proven, that it has many beneficial effects on humans too. It's a natural antibiotic and has shown to be even anti-cancerous by inhibiting tumor growth.

But the most interesting aspect of this all, is that Propolis inactivates biotechnological and genetically engineered products in the pharmaceutical, cosmetic and food industries.

ANTIVIRAL EFFECT OF PROPOLIS BY INHIBITING VIRAL NUCLEIC ACID POLYMERASES

The invention relates to the antiviral effect of PROPOLIS in terms of inhibiting replication of plymerase-containing viruses in general.

More particularly, the invention describes the inhibition of HIV virus and its key enzyme reverse transcriptase using propolis at a molecular level.

Due to its molecular and cellular anti-viral effect on polymerase-containing viruses, propolis can be used as crude extract and/or as fractions, pure substances or synthetic analogues in the therapy of viral diseases (AIDS, cancer, leukemia, hepatitis, etc.) and to inactivate biotechnological and genetically engineered products in the pharmaceutical, cosmetic and food industries.


www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=1999049830

You can buy it as a powder, tincture or in supplement form. With the powder or tincture you can mix up your own salve by adding other essential oils such as Tea Tree, Eukalyptus and such.

I ordered some as a tincture, because I'm intending to mix up a salve with several other components to treat Kammy's ear, also adding Propolis as a supplement for internal use.

Here is some info on it:

What is Bee Propolis and their usage
www.propolisextract.net/2009/10/what-is-bee-propolis-and-their-usage/

Natural medicine practitioners use propolis for the relief of various conditions, including inflammations, viral diseases, ulcers, superficial burns or scalds.

Propolis is also believed to promote heart health, strengthen the immune system and reduce the chances of cataracts.

As an antimicrobial : Depending upon its composition, propolis may show powerful local antibiotic and antifungal properties.

Jeany

[fritolay66]

Interesting. I had an integrated doc recommend propolis at one time for me. I incorporated wildflower honey instead, as my son likes it well and we take enough supplements that he just won't do more. I have had to be very creative due to him. We get our honey from a local brewery in which also sells this honey from a local bee farm. In fact, its the only thing we go there for and the whole oats go great in my homeade cereals.

For skin salves, we used beeswax. I think it could have similar properties to those found in propolis, but the added benefit I found in my skin lotions and potions, were that beeswax also helped to create a barrier on the skin to keep things out and whatever I used in the mix, in the skin.

You guys have a great day. I have been feeling wonderful lately and it is supposed to be a warmer day here.

Oh, BTW, Jeany, would you consider doing nasal lavage for your headaches. It really helped my son and I.

Be well....

Frito

[kammy]

I'm just passing along Dr. Savely's information that she stated the other night on the program that aired about her treating with Ivermectin. She stated that with some people she had to give Ivermectin daily in order for them to get better and that the side-effects of the drug were minimal, in fact, people didn't appear to have side-effects at all, according to her statement. Well, we know that Ivermectin is to be taken two weeks apart and for her to give someone this drug daily... I think says a lot about what we are dealing with. She is a qualified doctor and should be able to see the long term benefits of someone using the drug as she described, I'm sure she wouldn't have mentioned it or the apparent safeness and effectiveness of the drug unless she though it beneficial to some?

What we are trying to do is give the people that are searching and suffering, like ourselves, practical and mostly natural ways to combat whatever phase the Morgellons demon has them in, in hopes that something might work. As I have stated - nothing, so far, is working or has worked for me, yet - I've had very little medical care with my illness, I've been basically forced to go home and deal with it myself. The Internist who eventually wrote me off in 2009 basically told me to go find another doctor and left me without a primary care physician. There are many people, like myself, who are struggling to find answers, until we know what the culprit is - it's hard to fight windmills.

There is quite a bit of the physical evidence that is pointing at the insect defecating and creating one of our spheres, the spheres that I showed are the exact same visually as what Carnicom has shown. Since the insect is known to eat fungi, it is not rocket science to figure out that the sphere the insect is defecating contains some amount of fungi?

When we examine our spheres microscopically, we see that some burst immediately into a black fungal ball of growth and others that turn into a white crystaline growth and there is even a third one that has been observed with red and blue hyphae. What's interesting is that everyone seems to have these fungal growths in common in human experiments and yet, they cannot be named nor even seen by labs. There seems to be other fungal co-infections involved with some that are getting caught up in what the larvae are eating and being incorporated into the other three mentioned?

I would have sworn up until recently that I didn't think I had any larval involvement, if you'd had asked me. This involvement can be quiet and possibly not noticeable at all. As Hughes stated earlier, he thought he had it licked and here it was back. We believe one can rid the larvae and then re-catch them or some might wonder if they ever really went completely away to begin with? At this time, we don't have any way to gauge if they are a part of everyone's Morgellons or not unless you can easily rip them out of your skin such as I've shown, and see them.

If all the 'spheres, specks and possibly fibers' are being produced by their defecation process... then we have to assume that we all have them because one of the criteria that determines the disease is 'specks and/or spheres'. Most will say that they feel there is some kind of fungal involvement happening.

One question I have for the people that are not showing signs of lesions nor specks is - 'Are their 'specks' now being internalized?', which I'm thinking is the possibility? We'll know more when we can poll more Morgellons sufferers with granular disease to see what the state of their lesions were during their illness.

We have to go where the evidence leads us - we cannot make up theory based on where we'd like for this search to lead us nor omit based on what popular opinion might think. We believe the photographic evidence is clearly showing the truth, all we now need is for the specific tests related to our findings to be run by the appropriate scientists with the right equipment to verify or rule out, that is the next step in discovery. However, we have to have a clue as to where to look and what tests need to be asked to be run in order to find the answers. It's just a matter of time before the truth is known and we can certainly understand the touchiness of this material, it is not pleasing in any form nor fashion, that is for sure.

[toni]

Something I use to take daily (before my onset with Morgs was
propolis). I don't know if it helped or not...but I'd read some
about it, and figured it was a good supplement to take years ago.

Here's just another article that I think too is very good.

www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/121475757/abstract

[kammy]

That's a good article, Toni. I think there is a 'magic bullet' for each of us...

Parts of Europe are 'socked in'... "Barney the Snowman" came to visit today, is it snowing where you are?

[jeany]

Feb 3, 2010 9:16:57 GMT -5 kammy said:

Feb 3, 2010 6:36:44 GMT -5 jeany said:

Is it the chitin what makes them so hard to remove?

Jeany

Didn't we look at chitanase supplements to dissolve the chitin a long time ago... is it time to dig out the chitanse? Am I remembering correctly?

Yes, I think it was Chitosan?..but look here:

Shrimp chitin used for fungal chitin deacetylase
resources.metapress.com/pdf-preview.axd?code=76qh9cawr2yw47q1&size=largest

As far as I understood, is that Chitin cannot easily dissolve fungal chitin for example. It needs to be broken down in to chitin particles, thus using the enzymes, which turn it in to Chitosan and then adding Formic Acid to achieve fungal breakdown.

Jeany

[violet]

Hi, Kammy and everyone. Just a real quick couple of replies about some things below, Kammy.

Feb 3, 2010 10:16:01 GMT -5 kammy said:

I'm just passing along Dr. Savely's information that she stated the other night on the program that aired about her treating with Ivermectin. She stated that with some people she had to give Ivermectin daily in order for them to get better and that the side-effects of the drug were minimal, in fact, people didn't appear to have side-effects at all, according to her statement. Well, we know that Ivermectin is to be taken two weeks apart and for her to give someone this drug daily... I think says a lot about what we are dealing with. She is a qualified doctor and should be able to see the long term benefits of someone using the drug as she described, I'm sure she wouldn't have mentioned it or the apparent safeness and effectiveness of the drug unless she though it beneficial to some? Actually, Ginger is not a medical doctor. I believe she has or will earn her PhD in nursing. She uses high doses of medicines, determining their effectiveness by the empirical method. She does not know the long-term effects. Her philosophy is that desperate times call for desperate measures. Something I've never understood is why someone who knows morgies are suffering and low on funds from so much spent on trying to get well would charge so much per visit. I believe that is at least one (if not the) reason she could not practice in Texas any longer.
What we are trying to do is give the people that are searching and suffering, like ourselves, practical and mostly natural ways to combat whatever phase the Morgellons demon has them in, in hopes that something might work. As I have stated - nothing, so far, is working or has worked for me, yet - I've had very little medical care with my illness, I've been basically forced to go home and deal with it myself. The Internist who eventually wrote me off in 2009 basically told me to go find another doctor and left me without a primary care physician. There are many people, like myself, who are struggling to find answers, until we know what the culprit is - it's hard to fight windmills.

There is quite a bit of the physical evidence that is pointing at the insect defecating and creating one of our spheres, the spheres that I showed are the exact same visually as what Carnicom has shown. Kammy, I really admire your research and persistence and tenacity and intelligence, so I hope you will understand my sharing this information as informative and not meant as critical. The insect defecating of which you speak has been written up as a battery. Remember the pictures and article I sent you about it? We are not sure it's an insect, and I personally don't know if it's a battery, but we need to be very careful in termining what things are until we're sure. Since the insect is known to eat fungi, it is not rocket science to figure out that the sphere the insect is defecating contains some amount of fungi?

When we examine our spheres microscopically, we see that some burst immediately into a black fungal ball of growth and others that turn into a white crystaline growth and there is even a third one that has been observed with red and blue hyphae. What's interesting is that everyone seems to have these fungal growths in common in human experiments and yet, they cannot be named nor even seen by labs. There seems to be other fungal co-infections involved with some that are getting caught up in what the larvae are eating and being incorporated into the other three mentioned?

I would have sworn up until recently that I didn't think I had any larval involvement, if you'd had asked me. I don't think trained researchers have found insect or larval involvement nor fungus, have they? Am thinking specifically of Randy Wymore. Do you know? I may be incorrect on this, but I thought I heard that he had not seen that kind of involvement. Please correct me if this is wrong. Thanks. This involvement can be quiet and possibly not noticeable at all. As Hughes stated earlier, he thought he had it licked and here it was back. We believe one can rid the larvae and then re-catch them or some might wonder if they ever really went completely away to begin with? At this time, we don't have any way to gauge if they are a part of everyone's Morgellons or not unless you can easily rip them out of your skin such as I've shown, and see them.

If all the 'spheres, specks and possibly fibers' are being produced by their defecation process... then we have to assume that we all have them because one of the criteria that determines the disease is 'specks and/or spheres'. Most will say that they feel there is some kind of fungal involvement happening.

One question I have for the people that are not showing signs of lesions nor specks is - 'Are their 'specks' now being internalized?', which I'm thinking is the possibility? We'll know more when we can poll more Morgellons sufferers with granular disease to see what the state of their lesions were during their illness.

We have to go where the evidence leads us - we cannot make up theory based on where we'd like for this search to lead us nor omit based on what popular opinion might think. We believe the photographic evidence is clearly showing the truth, all we now need is for the specific tests related to our findings to be run by the appropriate scientists with the right equipment to verify or rule out, that is the next step in discovery. However, we have to have a clue as to where to look and what tests need to be asked to be run in order to find the answers. It's just a matter of time before the truth is known and we can certainly understand the touchiness of this material, it is not pleasing in any form nor fashion, that is for sure.

Again, I salute you for your research and theories, Kammy. Thank you for all your hard work.

[toni]

I also wanted to comment about the Ivermectin/Stromectol.

And I missed the program with Ginger, because my computer was
screwy, which it is again, so I maybe off line for awhile after this
post, (have to fix it) again, but what I'd like to say is what protocol I was on (for quite awhile) and how I changed it, and got
the EXACT same benefits.

Gingers protocol for me was, (and maybe since I was so spotted
with hundreds of lesions) when I saw her in 06, was:

5 Stromectol pills per day EVERY day. (all stromectols are 3 mgs ea.)

I took a total of 150 Stromectol pills per month, for 6 months
straight. Never ever missing one day.

I then tried something different after 6 months of that, because
I'm not one to take meds of any kind for long durations, it's just
me and my thing....I feel "polluted" by chemicals IF I do.

So...for "my sake" of testing to see IF all those pills after 6
months straight did anything in getting rid of my lesions
(permanently) I stopped the Ivermectin/Stromectol.

I needed to see...if ALL that even did anything to Morgellons
breakouts.

Well...by the 3rd or 4th day after taking ALL those pills,
and then stopping them to see if they did any good, I broke
out like all hell broke loose! I had at least 100 (no exaggeration)
brand new lesions!

I then realized, that's not the answer. (imho)

Now...the facts are, with me, that I did not have hardly ANY
new lesions during the time ( 6 mo ) that I DID take the
Stromectol/Ivermectin.

So...that was a great thing. But to break out after stopping
6 straight months of it daily...was more than discouraging.

So...here's what I tried, and it WORKED just as well.

I began taking ONLY:

3 Stromectol pills per day, ONLY on the 1st, 2nd and 3rd day
of every month. Then I'd stop the Ivermectin/Stromecol
completely.

I'd then again take 3 Stromectol pills on the 12th, 13th, and 14th
of every month again.

That gave me the EXACT same relief (no breakouts) as taking it
every single day and I then was only taking a total of 18
Stromectols/Ivermectin pills per month, INSTEAD of taking 150
of those pills a month.

And...getting the SAME results.

So...I LOVED it. No feeling of polluting my body, or hammering
my immune either. And it worked. So...what I'd say, is it's at
least worth a try.

The other thing too...is Stromectol's are a tad over 800 bucks
a month (for 150 pills). So...there's another advantage. (saving
TONS of money) besides sparing the liver etc.

Personally, and of course this is only my opinion, but I'll say it
only for food for thought, because there "seems to be something
to this, and I express this with much reading, and seeing for
myself".

Stromectol/Ivermectin is a "cytokine inhibitor" also.

If or since I only broke out in lesions ( during the lunar cycles)
I didn't think it was insects for two reasons.

Here's why...(keep in mind this solely is only imho).

My lesions were symmetrical. No insect can bite in the exact
same places on both sides of the body.

IMHO, this is systemic, and that is why my hundreds (thousands)
literally of lesions came out 2X a month (at the beginning of each
month, and the middle of each month) like a mirror image.

My left side looked just like my right side of my body.

Lesions in the exact same places on both sides.

So...that told me this is coming from the "inside of me, not
anything external".

Okay...now, the other thing is:

Because the "cycle" of the hundred brand new lesions I'd get,
were always breaking out in the beginning of each month, and
another 100 brand new ones during the middle of each month,
I KNEW the "lunar cycles" had something to do with all this,
as life (cells) ARE dictated by gravity.

I posted awhile back about the lunar cycles, and about how
NASA did tests (about cytokines) becoming IN-active during
0 (zero) gravity!

Oh yes.

And during "more gravity" for a laymens way to say it, the
cytokines become more active.

So...as our tides in our oceans are affected by the lunar
(gravitational pulls) so are our cells.

I read about "Stomectol/Ivermectin".

It calms "cytokines"...and I posted about that too.
It actually inhibits them from activity.

So...(imho), THAT is why Ivermectin works so well in keeping
the lesions under control, and the crawlies feeling, because
taking it during the "gravitational times" which is (approx the
first of every month) and the (middle of each month)....is when
the Ivermectin/Stromecol calms the cytokine activity, because
I don't feel...and I saw for myself, that after 6 months of taking
that med, that "by stopping it"....had changed nothing in
trying to kills off bugs, because I don't have bugs, in my opinion
of course....or they'd be dead after all the meds I've taken.

Not that I'm not attracting NEW critters with my mold infections,
I'm sure that I am, but I believe those are "external" pests, not
internal.

I'm probably so loaded with mold smell...that I could attract a
bug from a mile away.

(if you've not read about "cytokine activity" and the lunar cycles
or "zero gravity" and gravity, please do. It "seems" there's
lots to this.

And by "testing yourself" you can see too, what I have seen
occur.

[kammy]

Feb 3, 2010 9:36:48 GMT -5 fritolay66 said:

Yes, it was a German site about how to rid fungal and parasite infections naturally with garlic as it has strong antifungal and antiparasitical effects. You should do this before bedtime, by inserting the garlic clove, previously soaked with olive oil, in to the rectum.

At this point in time, I am not interested or considering sticking anything up my asp, although I am sure I could get a few suggestions from others.....

Frito

LOL... @ Frito ;D

[jeany]

Feb 3, 2010 11:10:10 GMT -5 toni said:

Something I use to take daily (before my onset with Morgs was
propolis). I don't know if it helped or not...but I'd read some
about it, and figured it was a good supplement to take years ago.

Here's just another article that I think too is very good.

www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/121475757/abstract

Good article, Toni!..YES..I think that stuff might be beneficial?..I'm hoping it might draw some of those larvae out of Kam's ear...who knows, maybe they'll think it's food and will come out for dinner..? ;D

Did you notice anything while taking it, Toni?

Jeany

[toni]

PS, Kammy, I love your snowman! ;D
Wow, you're getting a ton of snow too!


We didn't get any snow this year here in Las Vegas, which
last year was a freak thing, it snowed here, and was very
exciting. Right now, it's probably in the high 50's which I'm
freezing, if I don't have the central heat going cause I'm
pretty use to the hot desert temps moreso than chilly weather.

But...I do wish it would snow here now and then, as everyone
was thrilled when it did, cause it's such a rarity here.

[kammy]

That makes so much better sense to me Toni, to rotate the Ivermectin and since you've done it and can testify that it works just as well. I personally could never get a doctor to give me more than 2... anyway. I've even heard people say their doctor gave them 1 pill !!

It seems to calm them down, a temporary fix, then? I would be reluctant to take them everyday, especially, since they are not recommended to be taken but once every two weeks. I would think they would be hard on the liver, regardless?

Thanks for sharing that info with us - I'm sure some will find it useful.

Yeah, Jeany and I went out and built a snowman this afternoon... there's been steady snow now for some time. I love it! Being a Southern Gal... snow is rare and exciting for me, too!

[kammy]

Feb 3, 2010 11:50:36 GMT -5 jeany said:

Feb 3, 2010 11:10:10 GMT -5 toni said:

Something I use to take daily (before my onset with Morgs was
propolis). I don't know if it helped or not...but I'd read some
about it, and figured it was a good supplement to take years ago.

Here's just another article that I think too is very good.

www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/121475757/abstract

Good article, Toni!..YES..I think that stuff might be beneficial?..I'm hoping it might draw some of those larvae out of Kam's ear...who knows, maybe they'll think it's food and will come out for dinner..? ;D

Did you notice anything while taking it, Toni?

Jeany

Ha, ha, Jeany! Wonder what I could lure them out with besides duct tape? I need to read what Jo has written about 'charming' them out? (insert flute music here...) I wonder if I should stick a clove of garlic/olive oil in my ear next?

HEY! Violet is here... YEAH!

[toni]

Jeany,

Yes, while taking the Stromectol, I didn't get the crawlies feeling
at all, and I only got one or two new lesions per month, instead
of the hundred I'd get every first of the month, and then a hundred brand new ones again around the middle of each month.

I was like many people we know (with the lesion breakouts)
which were extremely bad and I had that going on for about
a year and a half...before I took the stromectol.

I've since found that taking lots of antioxidants, and a
supplement I've mentioned before has stopped my "hundred
lesion breakout every two weeks".

When I don't take it, I break out.

It's called:

Natures Way brand : Bone, Flesh and Cartilage.

It's got in it:

Proprietary Bblend 960 mgs:

White Oak Bark
Gravel root (bark)
Marshmallow (root)
Black Walnut (hull)
Slippery Elm (bark)
Calendula (flower)
Scullcap (stem, leaf, fruit)

When I do get a new or few lesions, I apply the milk and yog
mix, and they go away.

It's only the tunnel (on my face that's still productive) that I
can't rid. I still get the crawlies under the skin feeling, and
that happens around the first of the month and the middle
of each month. But once I take a hot shower with antibacterial
dish soap (Dawn or Palmolive) then it goes away.

I've seen black specks appear on my legs where I feel the
crawlies (using my scope pulled out of the holder/stand) and
saw that these tiny tiny specks start appearing...and I don't
understand that part (well...none of it really) but it's what
happens....and I think those are being pushed out of the
skin and they're something to do with a bacteria...because the
"anti-bacterial" dish soap cures the crawlies instantly after I
shower with it. (these particular specks) look like carbon, or
magnetite imho. They're different than the specks that grow
the mold.

[violet]

Feb 3, 2010 11:44:32 GMT -5 toni said:

I also wanted to comment about the Ivermectin/Stromectol.
And I missed the program with Ginger, because my computer was
screwy, which it is again, so I maybe off line for awhile after this
post, (have to fix it) again, but what I'd like to say is what protocol I was on (for quite awhile) and how I changed it, and got
the EXACT same benefits.
Gingers protocol for me was, (and maybe since I was so spotted
with hundreds of lesions) when I saw her in 06, was:
5 Stromectol pills per day EVERY day. (all stromectols are 3 mgs ea.)
I took a total of 150 Stromectol pills per month, for 6 months
straight. Never ever missing one day.
I then tried something different after 6 months of that, because
I'm not one to take meds of any kind for long durations, it's just
me and my thing....I feel "polluted" by chemicals IF I do.
So...for "my sake" of testing to see IF all those pills after 6
months straight did anything in getting rid of my lesions
(permanently) I stopped the Ivermectin/Stromectol.
I needed to see...if ALL that even did anything to Morgellons
breakouts.
Well...by the 3rd or 4th day after taking ALL those pills,
and then stopping them to see if they did any good, I broke
out like all hell broke loose! I had at least 100 (no exaggeration)
brand new lesions!
I then realized, that's not the answer. (imho)
Now...the facts are, with me, that I did not have hardly ANY
new lesions during the time ( 6 mo ) that I DID take the
Stromectol/Ivermectin.
So...that was a great thing. But to break out after stopping
6 straight months of it daily...was more than discouraging.
So...here's what I tried, and it WORKED just as well.
I began taking ONLY:
3 Stromectol pills per day, ONLY on the 1st, 2nd and 3rd day
of every month. Then I'd stop the Ivermectin/Stromecol
completely.
I'd then again take 3 Stromectol pills on the 12th, 13th, and 14th
of every month again.
That gave me the EXACT same relief (no breakouts) as taking it
every single day and I then was only taking a total of 18
Stromectols/Ivermectin pills per month, INSTEAD of taking 150
of those pills a month.
And...getting the SAME results.
So...I LOVED it. No feeling of polluting my body, or hammering
my immune either. And it worked. So...what I'd say, is it's at
least worth a try.
The other thing too...is Stromectol's are a tad over 800 bucks
a month (for 150 pills). So...there's another advantage. (saving
TONS of money) besides sparing the liver etc.
Personally, and of course this is only my opinion, but I'll say it
only for food for thought, because there "seems to be something
to this, and I express this with much reading, and seeing for
myself".
Stromectol/Ivermectin is a "cytokine inhibitor" also.
If or since I only broke out in lesions ( during the lunar cycles)
I didn't think it was insects for two reasons.
Here's why...(keep in mind this solely is only imho).
My lesions were symmetrical. No insect can bite in the exact
same places on both sides of the body.
IMHO, this is systemic, and that is why my hundreds (thousands)
literally of lesions came out 2X a month (at the beginning of each
month, and the middle of each month) like a mirror image.
My left side looked just like my right side of my body.
Lesions in the exact same places on both sides.
So...that told me this is coming from the "inside of me, not
anything external".
Okay...now, the other thing is:
Because the "cycle" of the hundred brand new lesions I'd get,
were always breaking out in the beginning of each month, and
another 100 brand new ones during the middle of each month,
I KNEW the "lunar cycles" had something to do with all this,
as life (cells) ARE dictated by gravity.
I posted awhile back about the lunar cycles, and about how
NASA did tests (about cytokines) becoming IN-active during
0(zero) gravity!
Oh yes.
And during "more gravity" for a laymens way to say it, the
cytokines become more active.
So...as our tides in our oceans are affected by the lunar
(gravitational pulls) so are our cells.
I read about "Stomectol/Ivermectin".
It calms "cytokines"...and I posted about that too.
It actually inhibits them from activity.
So...(imho), THAT is why Ivermectin works so well in keeping
the lesions under control, and the crawlies feeling, because
taking it during the "gravitational times" which is (approx the
first of every month) and the (middle of each month)....is when
the Ivermectin/Stromecol calms the cytokine activity, because
I don't feel...and I saw for myself, that after 6 months of taking
that med, that "by stopping it"....had changed nothing in
trying to kills off bugs, because I don't have bugs, in my opinion
of course....or they'd be dead after all the meds I've taken.
Not that I'm not attracting NEW critters with my mold infections,
I'm sure that I am, but I believe those are "external" pests, not internal.
I'm probably so loaded with mold smell...that I could attract a
bug from a mile away.
(if you've not read about "cytokine activity" and the lunar cycles
or "zero gravity" and gravity, please do. It "seems" there's
lots to this.
And by "testing yourself" you can see too, what I have seen
occur.

Fascinating research, Toni. Thanks for the information and interpretation about how the Stromectol/Ivermectin works to handle the cytokines and also for how much fewer pills helped you. Do you still take them? Do you know about being able to buy Ivermectin at feed stores for much less than Stromectol by prescription?

[violet]

Feb 3, 2010 12:02:18 GMT -5 kammy said:

Feb 3, 2010 11:50:36 GMT -5 jeany said:

Good article, Toni!..YES..I think that stuff might be beneficial?..I'm hoping it might draw some of those larvae out of Kam's ear...who knows, maybe they'll think it's food and will come out for dinner..? ;D

Did you notice anything while taking it, Toni?

Jeany

Ha, ha, Jeany! Wonder what I could lure them out with besides duct tape? I need to read what Jo has written about 'charming' them out? (insert flute music here...) I wonder if I should stick a clove of garlic/olive oil in my ear next?

HEY! Violet is here... YEAH!

Awwww, shucks.

[jeany]

Feb 3, 2010 9:36:48 GMT -5 fritolay66 said:

Yes, it was a German site about how to rid fungal and parasite infections naturally with garlic as it has strong antifungal and antiparasitical effects. You should do this before bedtime, by inserting the garlic clove, previously soaked with olive oil, in to the rectum.

At this point in time, I am not interested or considering sticking anything up my asp, although I am sure I could get a few suggestions from others.....

Frito

What suggestions, Frito?..what do you mean, huh?... ;D ;D

[kammy]

I just now saw this, Violet... let's see what you wrote?

author=violet "Kammy and everyone. Just a real quick couple of replies about some things below, Kammy.

Actually, Ginger is not a medical doctor. I believe she has or will earn her PhD in nursing. She uses high doses of medicines, determining their effectiveness by the empirical method. She does not know the long-term effects. Her philosophy is that desperate times call for desperate measures. Something I've never understood is why someone who knows morgies are suffering and low on funds from so much spent on trying to get well would charge so much per visit. I believe that is at least one (if not the) reason she could not practice in Texas any longer.

I wasn't aware of her credentials, it appeared that they introduced her as 'doctor'...? My mistake. I don't agree with over-medicating, especially, since Toni's pointed out that it's not necessary to get the desired effects, sounds like bad medicine to me?

"Kammy, I really admire your research and persistence and tenacity and intelligence, so I hope you will understand my sharing this information as informative and not meant as critical. The insect defecating of which you speak has been written up as a battery. Remember the pictures and article I sent you about it? We are not sure it's an insect, and I personally don't know if it's a battery, but we need to be very careful in termining what things are until we're sure."

A battery? Interesting. You see, I look at it as an 'engine'... with iron and nickel driving the 'battery' that's in all thermodynamic engines. Carnicom just stated recently how it appears to feed on iron. You know the first battery in the Model-T was made with iron/nickel and the battery lasted forever, wouldn't die? I'm going to eventually look at it in this manner and kill the sucker, this isn't my field - I was hoping that a real scientists would come along and help us by now?

Where have you seen a 'write up' on our insect defecating? I'll search and see what I find?

"I don't think trained researchers have found insect or larval involvement nor fungus, have they? Am thinking specifically of Randy Wymore. Do you know? I may be incorrect on this, but I thought I heard that he had not seen that kind of involvement. Please correct me if this is wrong. Thanks."

I'm not sure who is funding the Wymore research, have you thought that maybe this organization/s doesn't want to associate Morgellons with insects in any form or fashion at this point in time? It appears that all of the leaders in this arena are just trying to get us looked at by our physicians with dignity and proper care, to get our foot in the door... maybe, their philosophy is that the 'proving' can come later? I can see where they are coming from. This is a pretty scary situation for all involved, it's very political too, it would seem?

As far as I can tell, Wymore hasn't tried to see anything alive... he's studying the fibers. When asked if he had seen them move or grow - he said 'no'...

"Again, I salute you for your research and theories, Kammy. Thank you for all your hard work."

TY, Violet!

[jeany]

Feb 3, 2010 12:06:26 GMT -5 toni said:

Jeany,

Yes, while taking the Stromectol, I didn't get the crawlies feeling
at all, and I only got one or two new lesions per month, instead
of the hundred I'd get every first of the month, and then a hundred brand new ones again around the middle of each month.

I was like many people we know (with the lesion breakouts)
which were extremely bad and I had that going on for about
a year and a half...before I took the stromectol.

I've since found that taking lots of antioxidants, and a
supplement I've mentioned before has stopped my "hundred
lesion breakout every two weeks".

When I don't take it, I break out.

It's called:

Natures Way brand : Bone, Flesh and Cartilage.

It's got in it:

Proprietary Bblend 960 mgs:

White Oak Bark
Gravel root (bark)
Marshmallow (root)
Black Walnut (hull)
Slippery Elm (bark)
Calendula (flower)
Scullcap (stem, leaf, fruit)

When I do get a new or few lesions, I apply the milk and yog
mix, and they go away.

It's only the tunnel (on my face that's still productive) that I
can't rid. I still get the crawlies under the skin feeling, and
that happens around the first of the month and the middle
of each month. But once I take a hot shower with antibacterial
dish soap (Dawn or Palmolive) then it goes away.

I've seen black specks appear on my legs where I feel the
crawlies (using my scope pulled out of the holder/stand) and
saw that these tiny tiny specks start appearing...and I don't
understand that part (well...none of it really) but it's what
happens....and I think those are being pushed out of the
skin and they're something to do with a bacteria...because the
"anti-bacterial" dish soap cures the crawlies instantly after I
shower with it. (these particular specks) look like carbon, or
magnetite imho. They're different than the specks that grow
the mold.

Thanks Toni for telling us your experiences with Ivermectin. I've never taken any chemical meds for parasites. I chose to take some stuff made out of different kinds of herbs, also recommended by H.Clark. It's called Para X. I mix it together with Grapefruitseedextract. 40 drops each in a glass of water.

Another thing I'm considering to get for Kammy and me is Colonix and Toxinout. Colonix is a strong colon cleanser, rids parasites and slime and other residues from the intestinal wall. Toxinout removes, as the name says, toxins such as chemical residues, heavy metals etc. They are both 'natural' products.

This is a German site that sells this, but just look at the disgusting pictures!

www.drnatura.de/galerie.php

I believe the Black Walnut is what is keeping it under control, Toni and I'm glad it's helping you.

Jeany

[ibzahp]

Thanks Kammy and Tony. I would like to ask my doctor for ivermecting as I am having a terrible time with tiny black cocoons and larva-this is an awful illness. Aso thinking of starting up the black walnut-oregeno-clove tincture and adding some fresh garlic and onions. I do coq10; magnesium,vitamin d, zinc, c, fish oil,E, levoxyl for thyroid but right now the critters are winning the war. I could up my salt intake. Any suggestions? I am not on antibiotics but am thinking of restarting Doxycyline and amoxicillon (spelling bad) Can zimectrin be taken w/antibiotics? Anyone try it?