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Post by skytroll on Aug 13, 2005 4:40:05 GMT -5
Orion and Spec,
There is one on there about the Master Liet of USAF and his response to repres or senators and carn's document there too.
So, we can't rule out chemtrails.
Teller, the guy who said let's use this died, I believe in in the 90s. He is the one who said lets use this and fix global warming. I believe he was part of that group that was studying the qualities of spider webs, hence the webbed skies etc. I have been watching these since they began. Teller, I think was at UCLA, but, I do believe that this was tested in CA. Livermore now works with Berkely. So, I think the Academic/govt. connection is there.
Morgellons began in Ca. First reports.
There is a site that tells what is in the chemtrails which includes Barium, aluminum, titanium etc.
I will see if I can find it.
A definite plan, for sure. They say it is to prevent global warming, but, I think it is causing more of it to happen. Weather modification has a lot to do with it too. The USAF say they will own the weather by 2025. I think they have control of it now. A bill went through Congress by Hutchinson of TX a while back. Haven't heard if it passed.
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Post by skytroll on Aug 13, 2005 4:43:29 GMT -5
Oh, hello,
It is on the spider web link. Mike Castle's report.
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Post by skytroll on Aug 13, 2005 10:07:47 GMT -5
Hello again, How disease bacterium survives inside immune cell - Scientists reveal ......... www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?... Now this could give us a starting point and we could contact some of these doctors. It has to do with bacteria, for sure, but if the apoptosis fail to happen to the neutrophils could the neutrophils, which are thread-like, actually coming out of our skin rather than dying off inside of us? I used to smell a sort of dead smell on my mom and I smell it on me sometimes. I sweat profusely, which probably is helping me a lot. I deliver newspapers and try to walk the routes if possible. This weekend I have 4 routes, and man am I sweating a lot. I drink tons of water. I only have two sores on my face right now and some small ones on back, shoulders. The ones on my head are gone and my breast is healed but with many scars. Well, have any other women gotten them there? They all leave scars. If apoptosis does not happen to the neutrophil after it has taken care of the bacteria, that means the neutrophil is in there in the cells changing, and possibly morphing into another bacteria from the original bacteria, hence, the continuous bacteria load. Then, antibodies won't work and kill the morphed bacteria because it is unknown. Does that make sense? I know it has to do neutrophil load, which can be tested, it was done on my mom in CA. Also, it has something to do with creatinine. We have to get deep inside the cell. This is not gene-related unless gene transferance in some way, shape, or form has happened. skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Aug 13, 2005 10:10:42 GMT -5
OH, OH,
......and if we have the dead smell on us, that will attrack Collembolas and other insects.
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Post by skytroll on Aug 13, 2005 10:24:30 GMT -5
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Post by Tara on Aug 14, 2005 7:20:02 GMT -5
Hello I don't know if this sounds crazy to you all but my husband has psoriasis shampoo in the shower and one day I was itching like crazy and acidently grabed his shampoo and thought it was body wash, well....... it burned for a few but I started to notice strange hair like items soaped up that were easy to pull out and did not hurt at all so I used some more by washing my hair, and the feeling of bugs popping out of my hair and body seemed to come to a complete stop and this lasted for sometime. So I was wondering has anyone used this kind of product or if they know what could be in it that made the little basterds jump out in a hurry???
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Post by Tara on Aug 14, 2005 7:32:26 GMT -5
Skytroll" You had mentioned However, "I noticed one thing in common. Morgellons began in water areas. So there may be something to that. Pacific Ocean, Persian Gulf, Atlantic Ocean, Great Lakes?, Small lakes now have mycocystins. These are cellulose, have filaments, and cause skin problems" in one of you're past postings.
Well I was wondering how in the heck then did I get this crap if I live in Las Vegas NV and pretty much stay indoors? Do you think that this could have been somehow sent back with my daughter who goes to Texas, But she nor my other little one has this Thank GOD. just my husband and I and I am much worse then he is.
I am hoping how if this is possible to come from water how dose one get this in the middle of the desert?/
Thanks Tara
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Post by jus me on Aug 14, 2005 11:44:32 GMT -5
Hello I don't know if this sounds crazy to you all but my husband has psoriasis shampoo in the shower and one day I was itching like crazy and acidently grabed his shampoo and thought it was body wash, well....... it burned for a few but I started to notice strange hair like items soaped up that were easy to pull out and did not hurt at all so I used some more by washing my hair, and the feeling of bugs popping out of my hair and body seemed to come to a complete stop and this lasted for sometime. So I was wondering has anyone used this kind of product or if they know what could be in it that made the little basterds jump out in a hurry??? Try Selsun blue medicated shamppo as a body wash also and any thing sulfur.
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Post by adapted on Aug 14, 2005 12:39:05 GMT -5
Tara, that would only sound crazy to a crazy person. Thank God you picked that up by accident, and stick with it! Anything for psoriasis or seborrhea is excellent. I pampered my skin from head to toe with "Scalpicin" liquid, as well as using psoriasis shampoo rather than soap. Try to resist messing around with weird concoctions and "magic potions". Good luck and I hope you're on your way to better times and healthier skin. It's the salicylic acid that does the trick for breaking that crap up and getting it out. Stay with it.
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Post by wolfe1 on Aug 14, 2005 17:55:25 GMT -5
Skytroll,
I never seem to have a dormant stage in my infestation. I have the equine proud flesh on my back dime sized 3 places on my neckline and on one arm. Have you noticed that if one gets to the end of the track, that is where the proud flesh forms. If you work on that with success, new bumps come up almost immediately at the end of where you just ridded. Today has been extremely hard for me physically. My arm muscle is really getting bad. I am losing strength in my arm and just seem to want to not move it because of pain. I am getting more and more afraid. What about my other organs? you talk about the ability to be in the connective tissue I feel sure of that. I have had this much too long and they are way too deep. wolfe1.
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Post by Alex on Aug 14, 2005 20:30:39 GMT -5
Although I am not planning a book, we are thinking the same thing. I started a survey to gather data from all of "US" and one of my primary goals is to reduce or eliminate some theories of origin and get ratings of effectiveness of the various remedies. I listed a few antibiotics and anti-fungals and anti-parasite drugs with selectable ratings for each and blank spaces for drugs/herbs not listed. The survey results are for the exclusive use of the people afflicted and no names or email addresses will be published. The first page of this post is similar to what the survey results look like but with numbers indicating how many people share each symptom or theory or remedy. Here is a link to the Lymebusters thread announcing the survey lymebusters.proboards39.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=rash&thread=1124064457...and here is a link to the main page. home.comcast.net/~usp-db/index.htm there are detailed explanations of the purpose of the survey, etc. I gotta go, nodding off while I type,,,,damn CFS!! Alex
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Post by Lisa on Aug 14, 2005 22:22:15 GMT -5
Skytroll, I was emailing with Cliff Carnicom at the beginning of this year and at that time he felt he had the teeth problem under control, but wasn't sure if it was Morgellon related or not. He does believe us though and is a very nice man to have on our side. Also, like jeffinburg, I think you described the cycle perfectly. You also nailed the description of what I call "the pimple that's not a pimple" too. In my opinion, the fibers are the key. I think they are responsible for the onset of all of it. My question is... is there a fiber technology out there that produces an organism or device that can "morph" into other substances, parasites, diseases, fungus, or bacteria and invade our bodies? Not necessarily on purpose, but they didn't bother with any testing to find out before they unleashed it for whatever purpose. I've come across articles and patents that discuss the subject, but so much of it is over my head. Some of the stuff I haven't gone back to I posted here: lymebusters.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=rash&action=display&thread=1123516200I still have hundreds of bookmarks and documents copied over to go through.......but, I don't think it would be readily available and out there for us to find and if it was, we would understand/recognized it if we did? I can't help but think this "thing" was created. I mean come on.....clear, fiber-like object that moves on it's own? All of a sudden an abundance of white, blue and red lint/fiber/thread EVERYWHERE? My clothes sting me and lo and behold, there's one of these things in the exact place on my shorts as the skin prick. Wood and plastic have created extensions out of their own material, that take the shape of these fibers. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? A genetically modified something or nother? I just don't think this thing is natural. And what about the Lyme? I've got it bad as do so many others. And then there's the book I just finished reading by Leonard Horowitz...Death in the Air. He seems legit and a wise and compassionate man. If what I read in there is true....we are screwed! We could never compete with those that are truly in control. But what we can do is appeal to the common man with a conscious, or one who is knowledgeable of the goings on and will step up and help us in some capacity. Thank you skytroll for all of your hard work. You really have put a lot of thought into this and covered all the bases. wolfe1, "new bumps come up almost immediately" As soon as I think one of the sores is starting to heal and there's nothing inside it, a new one pops up right next to it...never fails.
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Post by Tara on Aug 15, 2005 2:54:07 GMT -5
I was wondering does anyone remember the first moment when they felt the bite, sting or however it first came about? What room were you in or were you out side. See funny thing the apt's I live switched to a new air filter I remember having to take it back because it was to big, Well anyway to the subject I also remember telling my Husband that the bathroom downstairs smells musty like mold or something. Well almost right after we put the new air filter in and the air turned on just happen to be the time that I was using the downstairs bathroom and started to feel like something was bitting me and yet I saw nothing, That's when it started for me as for my husband who is no were as bad as me was in the garage at the work bench that shares the wall with the bathroom. We had the bug guys out so many times and they all look at us like we are crazy and then they see are arms and legs and well I can see a dust trial from them running. Again crazy idea that runs through my head here I leave my house for a weekend and I decided to buy black plain material I lay it in each room shut the doors to each room and turn the air on. Now here is the crazy thing that frightens me to go to certian rooms.... Every room was clean other then the bathroom and garage the black material was covered in white like hairs. I quickly roll the cloth up and put it in a plastic trash bag and take it to the middle of the desert and burn it. So My Idea is that maybe what ever product the airfilter was made from and the mold thats in the bathroom maybe by some freak of nature interacted with eachother and disturbed these nasty little critters. Now I have keeped in mind that not everyone has mold and the same airfilter but maybe it could mold related family particals and what ever fibers that was used for the filter that someone could possible have another product made with some or all of that product. So I was wondering does anyone think this is to far fetched and the damn bugs have eaten to much of this brain of mine? ?
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Post by Spec on Aug 15, 2005 4:29:09 GMT -5
Here is why this thread, as interesting as it is, is such a mind-bender. Anyway, this is why and what I suspect!
I am always astonished as to the weird variety, and how they seem to look so similar, with many similar organs and basic structures, but misplaced and mishapen occuring all over the place. This does occur with severe birth defects in humans and other lifeforms, [though I won't describe what I have heard], when such life threatening distortions/deformities occur. It is not necessarily about drug-involvement either, it's just genetic coding errors.
At first, I thought these things were just several types and in stages. Then I thought maybe they were distorted (upon removal), or maybe mis-shapen upon their restricted growth, as they were never intended to check into confining skin nodules and lesions and so forth, but were meant to lodge into internal organs. I have never thought my experience indicated that the things actually morph, but then I am not talking about the goo that came out of people and reentered their bodies, or things that sound so unbelievable... maybe those things do morph (cheerio structures and the like!)
My current thinking is that atleast the bizarre ones I see on a regular basis - are parasites that were genetic modifications, with such screwed up gene structure, that they vary like hell one generation or bug to the next, and that were placed into vectors experimentally, were to be destroyed, but that escaped.
Some of the weird parasites that occur in my experience, have little clear fibers sticking out of their body pores and feeding tube structures and bot-fiber-spinners and stuff like that. Stuff in the EH photo website, especially her "blood lint" resembles my blood monsters. I have had a few cocoons and wing-like structures and a lot of cutaneous larva migrans that move painfully through the skin, mostly my back, and seems to burrow down in the muscle. Of course the varmints that cling to the edge of the lesion and appear to be like a worm, but with all kinds of queer exterior structures. The heads tails colors and textures vary considerably, though the manner in which they operate, very much the same... Seem to always have burrowed clockwise, for instance. [Not talking about the long strands, though they may be just more of the same, i.e. experiments just accidently released.]
Another reason i think this, is my dermatologist, whom many of you know is wonderful to me, looks at all these things on my laptop or with his headgear and tells me he never saw this sort of thing in medical education. This confirms why all the labratory studies, and we ourselves, can't seem to find uniform matches. So the lab should really say:
"No KNOWN-to-SCIENCE parasite seen." when they can't identify it.
Here's my point, we all have some shared aspects, some differing, I don't have the strands, but maybe the vector that escaped carrying that type is not infecting Phoenix, Arizona area. There might be some geographical regions involved here.
The crappers I find resemble parasite structures, but not perfectly. They respond (by dying, or sometimes moving furiously) to most antiparasitics. Currently, I have used the Ivermectin horse paste topically and many dark masses, with a sponge like surface, with clear fibers entwined or emerging, leave the lesion in days that follow the medication. I wonder if these things are what some here refer to as dark or black granules.
What if these were genetically-engineered biowarfare somethings, that were being introduced into ticks experimentally as some have suggested. Say they even knew the things were screwball, but messed around injecting them into ticks just the same. After all, they were learning-by-doing. They are conglomerations, mistakes of genetic engineering, or shall I say they were experiments. Meant of course to be destroyed.
Now these pests are a gamut of birth-defected parasites. Maybe the government doesn't know how to kill them, or atleast not all of them, for sure, since they are the product of a messed up experiment. It's a problem that needs to be dealt with, but utilizing magical thinking, they are hoping it will go away, or some super-anti-parasitic will come along in science(not herbal, they would never believe those remedies might be effective).
In closing I will say, that a strange family with what appeared to be a south-of-the border lifestyle, had a dog that they did not take good enough care of. This dog had ghastly bloody ticks like nothing I had seen. This dog waundered in my yard, the next years my dog came down seriously ill with enlargment thought to be cancer in her leg. I have been suspicious for a long time that this may have been the source of the weird stuff for my dog and for me. Just thought I would mention this.
Could have been any or several of the many exposures I had to insects though.
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Post by Orion*** on Aug 15, 2005 4:59:00 GMT -5
As for man made--Yes>>>>> Mine started in my hair--itch--flake-- Of course I did not know what it was---I went through this for the better part of 10 years>>>Five years ago my ears were draining and itching like mad, especially after I went to bed>>I thought that it was because of my ear phones>>I would get up and swab with alcohol>>I did not discover the affliction until march of this year>>I own 2 RadioShack microscopes but never thought to use them on the ear swabs>>there they were, the ugly black worms AND threads>>I discovered that they were all over the house>>For the first time tonight I got my wife to swab her ears and take a peek under the scope,>>she has been in denial>>guess what and the first two don't count. I did some super sluthing around her sister and mothers house>>They are cat and dog lovers>>I found the fibes there also>>of course they are also in denial but I think my wife has cought on>>she has leisons on her back and legs. about 6 of them>>I have babesiosis also and will start abx this coming week>>I do not have much faith in them clearing the morgellons.>>The babesiosis yes,>>from there I will try some of the things that I've found here.>>Time will tell.>> I have lost 45 lb. in the past 6 mo. and my teeth have desolved in my mouth.>> I wonder what this thing has to do with teeth or bad back problems? My toe nails were crumbleing but I got that pretty well squared away with tiactin oil. My legs have itched badly for over 20 years, morgellons? Is some body out to do us in? These cemtrails worry me a bunch. The black nematode is quite distinct from the black,blue fibers. I dig the black worms out of my ears to no end but think that I'm winning with peroxide and casteroil. I could go on and on but you've heard it all before
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Post by Orion*** on Aug 15, 2005 5:05:02 GMT -5
This definately needed done--thanks for your effort and making it possible for me to particapate.
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Post by skytroll on Aug 15, 2005 11:03:59 GMT -5
Wolfe1,
Yes, I have them appear as small bumps too and they seem to start again in the small bumps. And there is a track. Yes, I have pain inside my bones too, shoulder pain and arm pain with jumping inside. The nerves definetely are affected. The pain and movement seems to move around.
Keep as healthy as you can. Take Vit C, Vit B, folic acid, St. John's Wort, and Vit E. When I take these, I have more energy and put noxema on sores, it soothes them.
Vicks works too. Antiobiotic cream on sores and cover with bandaid.
When they come to surface, try to rub off proud flesh. This is where it needs to shed. That outer layer is what caused pain and the little bumps inside. Try some tumeric, burdock mixed with water to make paste. Hurts a little but I do believe it stops the little white clear transparent things from growing.
This is what I have been doing. If you have the pain inside where it seems it is moving, I use Tylenol.
I try to stay away from stronger stuff, because it sets my IBS into craziness. I eat more fruits and veg and am trying to stay away from meats, the proteins in the meat, I think affect this too somehow.
Keep your head up and don't let fear rule. Keep calm and treat the sores the best you can. Other people on here have used many things. See what works best.
Keep posting here, too
skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Aug 15, 2005 11:41:33 GMT -5
Skytroll,
This has to be coming from outside. Animals are getting this, those fish in that parade on the east coast are washing up, dead.
We have to face this people. The chemtrails must be causing this. It is not a worm, by itself because it has branches. Worms don't have branches. The pods, I call them, are triangular, clear - which look like Trichinosal egg, and these go in muscles. But, they have the fibers protruding out of them. Teller was experimenting with everything. Another area we need to look at, even though the old school of environmental folks went wacky, there still is something we need to seriously look at and that is the combination of natural copies of synthetic, genetically altered and the military industrail complex. This is alarming at times to even think about, but, we must.
I think the medical community has been forced to step down. Microbiologists have the answers, but, they are being muzzled or killed. We have to keep at this until we get answers from the medical community, the govt, especially the military.
When the Military Industrial Complex and the Medical Industrial Complex and the Environmental Industrial Complex join forces, all man-made, then the true answer lies in the the natural environment itself, which we need to save. That means we have to go after the big boys and girls who live in a make-believe-world of their own making. Even generals, former CIA, former FBI, former pilots, weathermen and the doctors, we are aware of who are trying to help us, all know this and have been trying to tell us.
We must listen, David was small was he not, but he did get the giant. Not only is our govt doing this, other governments are too. Listen to the dissenters, they do have validity. This is our very nature, at stake here. And, if we do not have our health and answers to what we are going through, then, what do we have?
I am not being a doomsayer here, I am trying to reawaken some anger, get out of the depression, kick some a.......... and lets get moving here. I know some of you are very tired, depressed and scared. But, we have it in our power, to expose this, by media any which way we can, by book, blog, flyers, word of mouth, local health dept. Do it anyway you can. Be part of the solution. We may not see end results, by with the grace of God and his force behind us we can get there.
I applaud all that everyone does on here, because you-all are so so valid. I do not for the life of me understand why those doctors out there who know of this stuff, are remaining silent, afraid themselves probably, and totally ignorant of this disease. It is abusive, neglectful and totally inhumane not to treat this, or even investigate it.
Okay, I have said my piece. I will listen again. You people are so great on here. Sometimes I cry when I read your stories, and can relate. My heart goes out to those with children with this. They are the angels we need to protect as it is their connection with the bigger angels that are helping us through all this.
Love you-all,
Skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Aug 15, 2005 11:43:36 GMT -5
Oops,
I wrote to myself, I guess, I was trying to tell myself something. HEHEHEHEHHE. I sprained my ankle, will that work? I really did. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, a sense of humor is great, we need to laugh at ourselves.
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Post by skytroll on Aug 15, 2005 18:10:19 GMT -5
Alex,
Good poll. Interesting 69% said they do not live near water. Do you think we can rule out cyanobacteria? or mycocystins? 21 percent live in CA. I wonder about that. Ok, so the majority of the surveyists have :
Crawling sensation Stinging/biting Itching Sparklies Fibers
Okay, now bear with me here. If there are fibers: Could we be talking prions? Cellulose filaments Polymer filaments Red fiber disease -Muscles nanofibers, filaments
If there are Sparklies: Could we be talking?: Gold filaments, iron, aluminum, silver etc.
If there is Itching: Allergies, poison plant, mold spores, fungi spores, mites, collembola, worms, larvae, eggs, cacoons, ticks themselves, other chewing insects from galls on trees.
Stinging/Biting: Are we talking?: genomed bees, minature bees, fire ants, collembola, fleas, water flea, skin flea, ticks, spiders, gnats, genomed scorpion
If there is Crawling Sensation?: scabies, fleas, creeping larvae eruptions, moving electrical stimilus, nanoparticled implants, gene crossovers cellulose in insects, insects in cellulose, worms, microfilaria, prions changing shape and form. morphing self-assembling nanobots. Spiderwebs
Does anyone see any kind of pattern?
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