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Post by skytroll on Aug 18, 2005 10:05:29 GMT -5
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Post by skytroll on Aug 18, 2005 10:08:40 GMT -5
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Post by QuestionHair1 on Aug 18, 2005 10:15:28 GMT -5
If you are not able to access the report, here is a snippet of it, but without the pictures:
QUOTED from the J. New York Entomol. Soc. 2004 report:
" . . . To ensure reliability of results, researchers verified at least two sightings before a subject was considered to have positive Collembola findings. However, scrapings from 10 of the subjects showed an abundance of Collembola. Evidence of Collembola was found in images of scrapings from 18 of the 20 individuals that had been diagnosed as delusional. Of the two participants without lesions or dermatitis at the time of the trial, one had images positive for Collembola" . . . .<snipped> . . . "Fig. 2: A clearly recognizable Collembola (approximately 100 microns in length) is resting on top of the debris in the lower right . . .<snipped> . . . The images were reviewed by entomologists and the presence of Collembola verified and identified as representative of the families Isotomidae and Entomobryidae . . . <snipped>"
But, it is best to read the whole thing for yourself - everyone interprets reports differently.
QH
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Post by skytroll on Aug 18, 2005 10:21:24 GMT -5
Well, I don't know about that. Try this: www.oardc.ohio-state.edu/sprioplasma/what.htmstarcentral.mbl.edu/mv5d/141.150.157.117.8080/prokPUB/chaphtm/229/03_04.htm (again) www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/insect/05573.htmlnature.berkeley.edu/~goster/oster/Mollicutes.pdf I do not think a celebrity will aid us. Most who have done this only take a certain approach, but, will not understand it. Sure, they can get exposure, but, not in the sense where a true researcher, or scientific, medical professional who has more expertise in the matter. We have seen how celebrities get paid for this. From the foundations etc. We do not want to go there, at least not yet. We need exposure, but a book describing the symptoms, the doctors willing to help, the children who suffer should be the celebrities, not a paid celebrity. I am a writer, plan to interview folks who are helping if they consent and will put it out there for people to look at, facts of what we know about. skytroll
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Post by Anony Annie on Aug 18, 2005 14:05:42 GMT -5
Evidence of Collembola was found in images of scrapings from 18 of the 20 individuals that had been diagnosed as delusional. Hi QH, Evidence of Collembola, not collembola. and there is nothing to say as to how Collembola respire in someone's skin or how they cause sensations of biting without biting mouthparts. Further, when a news reported went to see her, they did the same study double blind, meaning that the researcher did not know if they were looking at a perosns's skin who had been diagnosed with DP or a person's skin without any symptoms who was a volunteer off the street. They found collembola in all of the skin-- how is that possible? When they asked the reseearcher, she said "They just don't know it yet." An abundance of collembola in your skin and not know it yet? Doesn't make sense. Perhaps it is a bacteria or a microbe organism instead.
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Post by brenda on Aug 18, 2005 14:44:09 GMT -5
What gets me is how hard it is to convince someone this is real, even family, and when you do convince them they become afraid to even be around you. Not only do I have this physical monster in my life but its mate is the emotional one in my mind (and heart). I see these things on one of my sons (26yrs) and my mother, who feels nothing and swears it doesn't exist, and my other son (29 yrs) feels every bit. My granddaughter, who doesn't even live with us, has started with the itchies and is becoming a tweezer freak like me. How in the world does a person accomplish the "dormant" stage. A 24 hr period without this dominating skin disease seems like heaven. My skin use to bring compliments, but 3 years & pure torture has made my skin look like a war zone. scars, dimples, lesions and in places like paper. I wish God would do something, I'm tired of this place.
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Post by bjkth956 on Aug 18, 2005 14:50:10 GMT -5
What gets me is how hard it is to convince someone this is real, even family, and when you do convince them they become afraid to even be around you. Not only do I have this physical monster in my life but its mate is the emotional one in my mind (and heart). I see these things on one of my sons (26yrs) and my mother, who feels nothing and swears it doesn't exist, and my other son (29 yrs) feels every bit. My granddaughter, who doesn't even live with us, has started with the itchies and is becoming a tweezer freak like me. How in the world does a person accomplish the "dormant" stage. A 24 hr period without this dominating skin disease seems like heaven. My skin use to bring compliments, but 3 years & pure torture has made my skin look like a war zone. scars, dimples, lesions and in places like paper. I wish God would do something, I'm tired of this place.
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Post by bjkth956 on Aug 18, 2005 14:52:43 GMT -5
just wanted to let u know that i'm the "brenda" guest who wrote the previous letter. wanted to own my feelings. i'm new to this, having some kind of support. now i know how to log in, then go from there. sorry 'bout the anonimity.
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Post by Guest on Aug 18, 2005 17:12:19 GMT -5
On the Collembola post, what the heck did you say?
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Post by QuestionHair1 on Aug 18, 2005 19:52:07 GMT -5
QUOTE: Posted by Guest on Today at 6:12pm On the Collembola post, what the heck did you say?
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Who are you asking about the Collembola post?
Betsy who mentioned it?
QuestionHair (me) who added the link to the Collembola mentioned (pg 4) and an excerpt from it?
or Anony Annie who says the Collembola study doesn't make sense?
I certainly don't know as much as many who post here, but was trying to be helpful with what little I can.
But, I am not sure who the above question was directed to.
QH
(also, how you do the quotes in a box? thank you)
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Post by skytroll on Aug 18, 2005 20:09:36 GMT -5
For all of you who do not believe that Collembola can infect people. See this. I saw this way back in the 90's when I had had this for about 5 or 6 years. www.cdfound.to.it Type in collembola. Look at infection in woman
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Post by skytroll on Aug 18, 2005 20:11:27 GMT -5
Helloooooooooooooo, I mean go to www.cdfound.to.it Hit the Search button on bottom. Type in collembola Look at infection in woman. skytroll
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Post by Michelle on Aug 18, 2005 22:28:02 GMT -5
Evidence of Collembola was found in images of scrapings from 18 of the 20 individuals that had been diagnosed as delusional. Hi QH, Evidence of Collembola, not collembola. and there is nothing to say as to how Collembola respire in someone's skin or how they cause sensations of biting without biting mouthparts. Sorry but Collembola WAS found in their skin (and other's since the study). As for biting mouthparts--someone has already pointed out to you in another thread that indeed they do have biting mouthparts--so why is that difficult for you to understand? And the respiration part? One species of Collembola from the family isotomidae has been found to live in anaerobic mud( that means no oxygen). There are approx. 7000 known species of collembola and an estimated 100,000 as yet undiscovered species (one of which is mostly likely the kind that live on us) , so if one of the known species is capable of living with little or no oxygen, then chances are there a few unknown species that can as well. Further, when a news reported went to see her, they did the same study double blind, meaning that the researcher did not know if they were looking at a perosns's skin who had been diagnosed with DP or a person's skin without any symptoms who was a volunteer off the street. They found collembola in all of the skin-- how is that possible?When they asked the reseearcher, she said "They just don't know it yet." An abundance of collembola in your skin and not know it yet? Don't know exactly what you are talking about here.....the NPA study was non-blinded. guess what decomposer is first to appear whenever there is a dead body around..human or otherwise, just guess. hmmm, I wonder how they get there so fast, maybe it's because they're already there Doesn't make sense. Perhaps it is a bacteria or a microbe organism instead. Then name it! Can't? Then how can you say it's not collembola (a micro organism)? If it was a bacteria nobody would be being diagnosed with Delusory parasitosis---they'd be getting diagnosed with bacterial infections and such. You just don't want to accept you got "bugs". You want it to be something more romantic or melodramatic, something exotic like sars or avian flu.
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To Skytroll and all
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Post by To Skytroll and all on Aug 18, 2005 23:19:36 GMT -5
Did anyone notice the doctors names in that CDfoundtoit website? Some of those people came to the States to head up the study in Oklahoma. Anybody realize that?
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Post by keynjax on Aug 19, 2005 3:08:50 GMT -5
This Collembola thing sounds logical. (ref. the link skytroll provided. For me, most of the fore-mentioned symptoms began in May of this year, on the job in a newly constructed hospital. Being a healthcare worker, I assumed i contracted scabies from one of the patients I cared for who was diagnosed with scabies. I remember that he had lesions all over his body, and he would scratch his skin all the time and bleed all over. At the time, me and all other caregivers were unaware he had "scabies". He also had an altered mental status,, so he was unable to tell us where the lesions came from, etc. I clearly remember that his lesions would suddenly bleed without apparent trauma, and we were adjusting him in the bed, when we noticed blood on his arm, but no injury. The3 blood also happened to get on my hand, which was not gloved!! I immediately washed, and didn't pay close attention to it, since I didn't have broken skin in the area where I was exposed. Later that day, I remember feeling intense itching on the top of my hand, so I thought I had been stung by a bee. There was a tiny blister that formed, and within a week, it turned into a large, red hard blister like bump, that remained for at least a month, and then opened up. I had cellulitis in that hand for a week, then it disappeared, and itching came-started in my scalp,went all over my body. I thought i had scabies, so I was treated for that, (lindane, permetherin, 3 times), and it never went away. The most intense attack was when my face had at least 10 lesions, (looked like herpes simplex) and there seemed to be many of these winged creatures in each one, it felt like a knife slicing the wound as they attached themselves to the open sore and closed their wings. I would rub my finger across the lesion, and their white bodies would creep out briefly, and back in again. I began to rip them out, which caused bleeding, but it relieved the intense pain from the overpopulated space. As they increased in numbers, and my face looked as if I had aids, i got the idea to remove them with duct tape. It totally worked to decrease the population, but there were always more waiting to invade. They look like flying dust particles to the rest of the world, but up close and personal, they resemble a microscopic albino bee, and they feast on the fluids of my skin, and all i want to do is tear them out. To shorten the story, I'll get to the "coming out" of them. I was working one morning, feeling horrible (about a week into the initial attack)and literally had a feeling of impending doom. I was caring for patients, and my skin began to crawl and itch, and sting, my legs, arms, and face. I could feel tiny insects spring from my lesions like tiddly winks popping, and sometimes I would see a white fly-like creature (tiny) land on a patient, or on the floor. My vision was blurry, so I couldn't see clearly, but I knew something was leaving my body.I was so scared, I went to the supervisor and told her I was exposing the patients to whatever I had, and we need to figure out what the hell I have!! I was dismissed from work for 3 weeks, pending psychiatric evaluation. This is only the beginning. So much has happened in thse few months, it would take days to describe. Bottom line, sounds like parasites living in my body, I just want to get rid of them!!!! I know they are contagious, and they are in our environment. I feel them near the kitchen sink, the bathrooms in my home, sometimes outside, and especially on the top floor of the hospital I work at. I beleive my dogs have them too, so far my teens and husband do not, although, I dont' think they would know it, they aren't obsessed with detail like I am. I have deep lesions on my right arm, thighs,and about four on my face again. Am trying a candidas cleanse along with other herbal remedies called the "recipe" that I got from another member here. It's helping, but it aint over til it's over. I am skeptical of ever being well. During these insect exits,they occur about every three weeks, but now seems to blend into constant, I become insomniac, frightened, obsessed with removing them, and I can't keep my balance at night, and I also become confused and feel like I've been drugged. I could go on and on, but most of you have similar stories I'm sure, and words can't seem to describe it very well. Sorry this is ssoooooo long, but I'll keep it down next time. I'm new at this. I also ran across a site that had information I agreed on considering this infestation, so I will include the link. It talks about the Thymus, and I've also spoken to an infectious disease doc. at work who says the same thing, and he is supposed to be patenting a drug that will "kickstart" the Thymus gland, and it would kick the parasites asses! Here's the link, and I will keep you all updated on an new info I get from this doc, and others. thanks, take care all KeynJax www.toolsforhealing.com/CD/Articles/H/HowParasitescauseCanceran.html
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Post by skytroll on Aug 19, 2005 12:28:15 GMT -5
keep us informed of this doctor, I do think we have a Thymus problem with this disease.
Skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Aug 20, 2005 21:09:10 GMT -5
Hello, Okay, can we rule out GM Foods? began in 1995 So far, cyanobacteria(algae), fungi, virus genomed bacteria, bugs, nanobiology - self assembly biocontrol - BT, BA etc. nematodes bioweapons tularemia, cholera, plague, leprosy total unacknowledgement of tick diseases on the rise Scaler weaponry - chemtrails Insects - collembola, thrips, flies, Prions This is where I begin with the book. I have data to back up each and every item here. I do not know if I can get people to interview, but I will do my best. A doctor in Detroit is going to read up on this. Maybe, I can work with him. Whoopeeeeeeeeeeeeee Skytroll
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Post by Orion*** on Aug 21, 2005 3:24:35 GMT -5
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Post by skytroll on Aug 23, 2005 8:42:21 GMT -5
Everyone,
See the To Mary (Morgellons) post by Bugs. Do Alex's survey and I possibly can use results in book, if permission granted. So much here, now to organize it and come up with something that doctors, and others will want to read.
I will use Lyme stats, new reports on spread of Lyme, espec, now in Canada etc. I think the Michigan govt. is simply ignoring this. It is everywhere in Michigan. Lansing can't see beyond it's blueness.
Skytroll
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Post by questionhair on Aug 23, 2005 14:57:26 GMT -5
To Anne Guest: Thank you for providing your website links last week. www.annedill.funtigo.com/?cr=1&rfm=y I found numerous familiar items. Especially the hair shaft things and those flat things that always have that hooked ending. I am excited because I "think" I have a lead to the hair shaft things as a manifestation of a fungal infection: Link to the pics and explanation: tinyurl.com/7ltpoor the long version: images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.lookshark.com/showcase/fungus/images/img31_4.jpg&imgrefurl=http://w ww.lookshark.com/showcase/fungus/_hair.htm&h=219&w=350&sz=6&tbnid=xwbAq_0mztkJ:&tbnh=72&tbnw=116&hl=en&start=2&prev=/imag es%3Fq%3Dblack%2Bpiedra%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN I printed the above out last night and showed it to my husband this morning. We have been going through this stuff separately in the same house. He didn't want me to see his symptoms and I didn't want him to see mine. He went to see a Dermatologist on his own and has been prescribed things to take. We usually barely discussed this stuff - except if I really found something good, I'd mention it and usually would see him try it. (weird, I know) When I showed him this printout (of the above black piedra or white piedra info) he told me that he had been using the topical Amphotericin B - but I don't think he has been doing it regularly because he couldn't even find the medication this morning. In the photos you posted, the clear substance at what looked to be the base of a hair was familiar. Please consider reading the above information. It is possible that there are co-infections because your present theory is just as good, too. I recall your husband is going in September to the doctor, so this might be something to consider too. I got this information by following a lead posted by BugsAlive last night on Wangiella. I feel very excited about possibly finding the cause of one symptom. Although, I'm not too excited about the treatment - and I notice my husband isn't doing the full treatment. It says to shave the head AND use the topical amphotericin B. I did try the head shaving last year but I guess without the topical treatment, it didn't work. I want to confirm this theory before going that route again. QH
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