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Post by FYI on Aug 27, 2005 10:23:29 GMT -5
Study was in mid-2000. Sibmitted and approved for publication 2003 Published 2004. P.S. I asked Dr. Crutcher, Oklahoma City, why it took so long to be published. He said sometimes it takes ten years to get scientific or medical papers published. Still, it seemed a long time to those who suffer. Hope this helps. The paper was submitted for publication and was REJECTED by other publishers/journals before finally being accepted by the bug collector's publication. Some journals have a higher level of quality control involved in their peer review process than others.
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Post by Lucy B on Aug 27, 2005 13:13:47 GMT -5
"Neculai Dulceanu , DVM, PhD"
.... so he was Veterinarian...?
Yes, the lead scientist on the NPA Collembola paper Neculai Dulceanu, was a veterinarian who was flown to the US from Romania because of his expertise with Collembola infesting humans. Sadly, this veterinarian did not have the most basic knowledge of insect life cycles, especially Collembolans.
Neculai Dulceanu believed that Collembola have larva or larvae, which they do NOT have.
Neculai Dulceanu also believed that Collembola have pupa or pupae, which AGAIN, they don't have!
Good grief, Charlie Brown...
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Post by To FYI on Aug 27, 2005 13:17:51 GMT -5
WWith all due respect here I believe you are incorrect.
The first paper was submitted to a journal that went out of business.
The original paper was re-written with helpful suggestions by the people at the NY Entomological society, who also aided in identifying and confirming the presence of Collembola.
Various authors are listed on the publication. I sincerely doubt any of them would sign off on a publication of this type.
I sure wouldn't if I were qualified to be one of the authors.
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Post by Correcting Re Dr D on Aug 27, 2005 13:24:29 GMT -5
Just to keep the records straight here allow me to enlighten you.
Dr. Dulceanu was a Parasitologist, not an Entomologist. There's a huge difference.
He wrote what he believed was a correct description of what he found.
Several entomologists wrote to him correcting his mistakes as evidenced at Frans Janssens website.
These errors were never corrected at the website depicting Dr. Dulceanu's finding the Collembola in the skin of the Romanian woman who believed she was being infested with Beetles.
That is not Dr. Dulceanu's fault at all as several attempts to correct those errors were made long prior to Dr. Dulceanu's death. Unfortunately the webmaster paid no attention.
Just want to clear up any misconceptions new people may have regarding your attempts to discredit Dr. Dulceanu's work.
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Post by Peanut on Aug 27, 2005 14:40:29 GMT -5
Huh?
It did not sound like Lucy was trying to discredit anyone's work to me. Sounds like she was just stating FACTS.
Did she say something that was untrue?
Looks to me like the vet's Colembulla research speaks for itself.
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Post by Michelle on Aug 27, 2005 18:27:53 GMT -5
Ah..... Michelle, Deborah Z. Altschuler-----NPA Michael Crutcher, MD, MPH, FACPM, Neculai Dulceanu, DVM, PhD (deceased), Beth A. Cervantes,------NPA Cristina Terinte, MD, PhD, and Louis N. Sorkin, BCE yeah... nice letters after those names. But I read so many scientific reports these days (I'll admit most of them are generated within the 'Western' realm) and I can't find a one that has a Vet as the lead scientist. Don't know where you are from, but here in the U.S. we tend to use more like 'human' doctors (this helps the credibility factor immensely) for the scientific studies. I'm not running down Vet's; I think they are a huge asset to the community... it's exactly where I go when my puppy is sick. Back to the 'letters' - I'm guessing the 'NPA' is for the National Pediculosis Association. And that 'BCE' thing; I'm confused on this one... is that someone that passes the Veterinary Entomology Specialty Exam..? So we've got two Vet's, two NPA's and two M.D.'s.... yeah, "well rounded".... that's a good way to put it. Something else that bothers me.... why was a study done in 1999 finally published in 2004..? I've never understood why that took so long... You seem to be "in the know" so what was it; translation issues..? There were two Medical Doctors, one Doctor of Veterinary Medicine, and one Board Certified Entomologist. The MD's because they were dealing with humans--the vet because he specialized in parasitology and had experience with collembola infesting humans--and an entomologist to identify the critter. Works for me. Do tell, what have your human doctors done for you lately?.. how much credibility have they given to this condition? Not much at all. Talk about cutting off the nose to spite the face.
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Post by Michelle on Aug 27, 2005 18:54:33 GMT -5
"Neculai Dulceanu , DVM, PhD" .... so he was Veterinarian...? Yes, the lead scientist on the NPA Collembola paper Neculai Dulceanu, was a veterinarian who was flown to the US from Romania because of his expertise with Collembola infesting humans. Sadly, this veterinarian did not have the most basic knowledge of insect life cycles, especially Collembolans. Neculai Dulceanu believed that Collembola have larva or larvae, which they do NOT have. Neculai Dulceanu also believed that Collembola have pupa or pupae, which AGAIN, they don't have! Good grief, Charlie Brown... A parasitologist wouldn't have a basic knowledge of collembola because collembola were never considered to be parasites..... larvae, pupae, big deal, hung up on semantics are we, have at 'er.........both words mean juvenile or not adult, -- english was his second language, for all you know maybe the same word is used for both in romanian. and it still doesn't change the whole jist of the study, that being collembola was found in patients diagnosed with delusory parasitosis.
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Post by FYI on Aug 27, 2005 19:34:07 GMT -5
Can somebody answer me why it is that mainstream medicine won't go on the record about this??? N A T I O N A L S E C U R I T Y
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Post by skytroll on Aug 28, 2005 13:01:30 GMT -5
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Post by skytroll on Aug 28, 2005 13:02:42 GMT -5
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Post by kranny2 on Aug 28, 2005 15:04:07 GMT -5
I understand the "6 months" comment. I became very ill with flu-like symptoms, fever, aching, etc, in Oct. 2003. Several days into the illness, I broke out with blisters on my chest. I recovered from the "flu", but never felt as good as I had before this incident. (Have been previously diagnosed with fibromyalgia, so granted I haven't felt particularly good for many years, but now felt worse.) I noticed that I had tremors (hands shaking) following the flu-like symptoms, along with exhaustion, confusion, and increased depression. It was approximately six months later before the itching began and another six months before the cysts and lesions started. Hope this adds to the shedding of any light on the subject.
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Post by kranny2 on Aug 28, 2005 15:04:55 GMT -5
I understand the "6 months" comment. I became very ill with flu-like symptoms, fever, aching, etc, in Oct. 2003. Several days into the illness, I broke out with blisters on my chest. I recovered from the "flu", but never felt as good as I had before this incident. (Have been previously diagnosed with fibromyalgia, so granted I haven't felt particularly good for many years, but now felt worse.) I noticed that I had tremors (hands shaking) following the flu-like symptoms, along with exhaustion, confusion, and increased depression. It was approximately six months later before the itching began and another six months before the cysts and lesions started. Hope this adds to the shedding of any light on the subject.
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Post by skytroll on Aug 30, 2005 13:24:25 GMT -5
This is outdoors. This is everywhere. If this is a bioweapon, Why is it being done? Who gains? Who is going to live through it? Who will be left standing? Why do only certain people get it? When will the govt come clean? Who has the power to stop this? What is the ultimate answer? If weather control by the USAF is in our future, or now, being passed in Congress? Bill put out by Hutchinson of Tx. Where is it in Congress? What gives the USAF the right to own the weather? Do they also have the ability to create the weather? If they are so smart, why didn't they stop the hurricane from the devastation in LA, MS, AL, Fl? There is another brewing. Are they going to try to stop it? Or can they? Or won't they? Or are they creating it? Which is of Natural consequences and which is of Synthetic generation? What is the Ultimate goal? Who is covering whom? I could write this book as fiction, or I could write it a common sense approach, or I could find all the studies, trials, disinformation, or dig even more for other things, or I could just throw out the facts. Is truth still here? Sounds more appropiate. I wish I had some of that good ole Founding Father intellect, wisdom and faith to pull this off. I guess I will call up Jefferson, Washington, Patrick Henry, Hamilton, Adams, Franklin. Anyone have their numbers? We are trying so hard to sound the alarm!!!!!!!
Skytroll
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Post by Anony Annie on Aug 31, 2005 14:09:19 GMT -5
A parasitologist wouldn't have a basic knowledge of collembola because collembola were never considered to be parasites..... larvae, pupae, big deal, hung up on semantics are we, have at 'er.........both words mean juvenile or not adult, -- english was his second language, for all you know maybe the same word is used for both in romanian. and it still doesn't change the whole jist of the study, that being collembola was found in patients diagnosed with delusory parasitosis. Both words mean juvenile, but they describe VERY different behaviors in regards to entomology! It's like saying "Cold, flu, we're talking about the same thing!" That's not the case. They found EVIDENCE of collembola in skin of people with DP, not actually collembola! And the collembola was only found after a computer-enhancing technique. We could find ROACHES in people's skin using computer-enhanced pictures. We could find Horton's Whos with computer-enhanced pictures. EVIDENCE of collembola, but they were very careful not to say actually collembola, because .... well, why do you think that would be? Why did they publish in a tiny insignificant journal? Why wasn't the study done double-blind? Why has it failed when they HAVE done it double-blind? Annie
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Post by Spunky on Aug 31, 2005 22:08:04 GMT -5
Annie--Nematodes attract bugs. One parasitic infection invites another. Maybe everyone has some collebola, but we "special" ones attract them (and/or other bugs) in large amounts. That's my take on it. Skytroll--Thanks for sharing the xenorhabdus danforth center site. Thought before it was Strongyloides, but Steinernematids also seem a good candidate. OK, got it now, first Steiner worms were introduced, now chemtrails are being sprayed to eradicate them--wait a minute, that danforth web is dated 2005, so they must still be producing more mutated nematodes! Darn it, brain fogged up. We don't need Plum Island facilities or jihadists, we've already got our own germ warfare----GMOs----and can use them on ourselves, our environment, and our own food supply! How did we ever get so smart? (Maybe that's how we ended up in our current state of political affairs.) Lesco told me they can no longer sell nematodes for insect control to the general public--only to golf courses--and that the EPA restricted their sale several years ago, but I recently found websites that advertise them for sale on the internet. When I went back to check Monsanto's web, I didn't find the information I had originally found on the genetically altered nematodes--not sure if the brain fog was again setting in or if I had been at my computer too long and lost patience. www.nysaes.cornell.edu/ent/biocontrol/pathogens/nematodes.htmlI have read parasitic nematode infections are fairly common and can even be picked up from sand on the beaches of Caribbean. In my opinion, this thing multiplies too rapidly to be "naturally occurring" and has been altered from it's original form. Not sure if it was introduced unwittingly by a corporation (or our own government scientists) with good (but misguided) intent, or driven by dark deliberate diabolical purpose. It's here and now, so must quickly learn to deal. Inception was insidious at first, followed by an exponential multiplication that rapidly took hold of it's host (me). Immunocompromisation (in my case, stress) expedited the process. Once infiltrated, acidosis (low blood and body pH) ensues, bringing further complications with it. I am trying to "alkalize for health"--so far, with some success. Taking BioSil (thanks very much to Spec's recommendation)--even though it is orthosilicic acid (a form of silica), it helps the body absorb Calcium, Magnesium, and other minerals that raise pH. Also taking mineral supplements along with the herbal (Blue Skies John) and silver regimen with diet regulation. The doctor told me today that Tagamet (antacid) makes plantar warts go away, at least has worked for several people. Plantar warts (warts are also known as skin "tumors") are quite interesting in that they have the capability of angiogenesis (forming their own blood supply), just as a tumor does. It is claimed that warts are caused by a virus--I happen to believe our illustrious medical community has it backwards; warts are encysted parasites, and/or a way in which parasites are vectored further into the body, bringing virus (and/or bacteria) in with them. Parasites cause acidosis. As the web below explains, acidosis may ultimately result in cancer. Plantar warts also have a number of black dots in them, reportedly from the pinpoints of the blood supply. I have another theory for the black dots--can you guess what it is? A home remedy for warts is to break and rub a vitamin A gel cap on the wart in the morning, followed by a drop of castor oil in the afternoon (BB swears by this to eliminate "critters" in the ears), and a drop of lemon juice in the evening. I think I may try this on the now fading Morgellons areas I believed to be "nests" on my skin--strangely enough, the ones located near the skin's surface looked very close to a wart or a mole. www.alkalizeforhealth.net/salivaphtest.htmwww.jarrow.com/brochures/biosil_brocure(060104).pdfPlease write your book Skytroll--it would be truly legitimizing, at least for me, to have this phenomenon and our plight on public record. Then, maybe Hollywood would call for the movie rights (a bonafide horror), you would get rich, could buy the Rife to beat all Rife's, and treat all of us out here in Morgellonland (heard the Radiant Life Technologies model with plasma tube can treat an entire room without even touching it). Sound good? One thing we all must have in common is to be in tune enough with our bodies to know when something is truly wrong, no matter what we have been told by the medical experts. Think of the poor souls who trustingly believe every word of their doctors and dutifully take the meds that might even make them worse. Your collection of thoughts and words must be put to pen and ink--if this turns out to be an insidious, yet potentially cataclysmic, disease that inflicts others en masse, we have the moral obligation to share the knowledge in our quest to find the way back--to health. Slow but steadfast to recovery, Spunky
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Post by skytroll on Sept 1, 2005 9:42:39 GMT -5
Thanks Spunky,
You have encouraged me so much here. I am sick with the colitis thing, now, but, and trying to treat it the best I can with whatever products suggested by the natural docs. I gather info, have websites galore. I think I have enough info to now start the sorting out.
Thank you so much for the encouragement.
skytroll
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Post by adapted on Sept 1, 2005 12:10:07 GMT -5
Several stealth virus infected patients and animals have been noted to excrete ACE-pigment-like materials in perspiration. As in the stealth virus cultures, conglomerates of fine materials can form visible structures that can assume irregular ribbon and thread shapes and can display varying colors. Patients have reported seeing such structures on bed sheets and in bath water. They can also be seen and felt attached to hair strands and sometimes misidentified as lice. Patients are sometimes led to believe they are parasites because of the tendency to show marked electrostatic attraction and repulsion. The particles are typically auto-fluorescent and contain various minerals when examined using energy dispersive X-ray (EDX) analysis. They have electron donating and electron accepting properties. A patient support group has encouraged the use of the term Morgellon skin disease to refer to similar unusual skin lesions (http://morgellons.org). Belated apologies are probably due to many patients accused of being delusional because of sensing and observing ACE-pigment-like particles within their skin. Electrostatically active, auto-fluorescent fine particles can occasionally be observed in patients' blood samples. Similar structures were likely misidentified by earlier investigators, such as Antoine Bechamp, Virginia Livingston and Gaston Naessens, as pleomorphic microorganisms, especially when seen in association with ribbon and thread-like materials. ACE-pigment-like threads can also be collected from environmental sources adding to the confusion of their origins and underlying nature. The performance of diagnostic stealth virus cultures was prohibited by the Federal Government in late 2002 on questionable grounds (a copy of correspondence relating to the inspection process is available at www.s3support.com ). Efforts to develop clinical assays for ACE-pigments and for stealth virus infected bacteria were also stymied by Federal Regulations. These actions have delayed progress in addressing an important Public Health issue. The Nation is facing a growing incidence of chronic illnesses with characteristic neuro-psychiatric symptoms. Among these illnesses, are nearly 20,000 cases of encephalitis diagnosed annually within United States hospitals (14). Even when subjected to detailed diagnostic procedures, no etiological cause can be identified in over 60% of patients with encephalitis (15). Autism rates are increasing nationwide and childhood learning and behavioral problems are overwhelming the educational facilities. The concept of stealth-adaptation is not particularly difficult to grasp, and the published data, including findings in animals inoculated with these viruses are compelling (16). The conclusive finding that several of these viruses were derived from African green monkey simian cytomegalovirus (SCMV) has implicated their origin from live polio vaccines (17-18). These vaccines were grown on kidney cells from SCMV contaminated monkeys and virus DNA was present in licensed polio vaccines (19-20). The argument that FDA investigators are unable to culture virus from contaminated vaccines is unconvincing especially given the argument that they cannot release any of the vaccines for independent testing because of proprietary restrictions. FDA has also argued in legal proceedings against a mother wishing to have the polio vaccine tested that her child had received prior to developing a severe and eventually fatal neurological illness. Efforts to test for stealth-adapted viruses in illnesses such as autism and learning disorders in children, psychiatric illnesses in adults, and neurodegenerative diseases in the elderly has been steadfastly avoided by Public Health officials. Arguably, members of the family described in this paper, as well as other individuals with brain damaging illnesses, etc, ought to bring legal suits to compel Public Health testing for infectious agents. Such action may help protect other members of society and will surely lead to the development of more targeted therapy, including the use of natural products with ACE-pigment-like activity. To combat this problem, see this information about the BioPhysics Institute endorsed alternative cellular energy formula: www.rhinoed.com/cellyte.htmFor this entire article see: www.rhinoed.com/john's_questions___.htm Complex Multi-system Illnesses Occurring Within a Family: Presumptive Evidence for an Infectious Disease Process. W. John Martin, M.D., Ph.D. Center for Complex Infectious Diseases Rosemead CA 91770 (Sweat it out)
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Post by Anony Annie on Sept 1, 2005 15:45:41 GMT -5
Annie--Nematodes attract bugs. One parasitic infection invites another. Any of a phylum (Nematoda or Nemata) of elongated cylindrical worms parasitic in animals or plants, or free-living in soil or water. All nematodes attract bugs? All nematodes are parasites? What nematodes are you talking about? Current count of Nematoda (Roundworms): 12,000 described species I could say "a microbe" or "a nematode" is causing my problem.... or say there is "a blade of grass in my front yard."
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Post by Spec on Sept 1, 2005 16:43:23 GMT -5
Hello Skytroll,
About the angle on your book, not to confuse the issue more.
What audience will you want to reach with the book, then will this audience do what you want them to do?
Is this something Mothers will be most concerned about? But do we want all the children across America to catch wind of it? They are not ready to deal with this mess! Lots of people will just say, oh that is going to happen here!
Will a publisher pick it up the type of book you will write? Or will you have to post sections of it on-line to pull interest?
We need brave professionals to come forward and admit that what they see, so you can quote them in the book. They know this is something.. my doc says the specimens I have look like a parasite. He even removed one from a lump himself and sent it to the State lab, asked specifically for a digital image from them, and they did not produce one. (They claimed to me that they would not make one if they did not see a parasite)
My doc is not a speculator though, he is very grounded, and at the same time openminded. He is willing to treat what is known, and to be open to the possibility that we will learn what it is.
hmm.. maybe this would be a way to write a documentary-in-the-making. An investigative "voyage" documentary. this is what we KNOW, WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES??
Ethical Dilemma, is the big word on college campuses today. as in,"We can't go by the book, because it isn't written what to do in this situation, it is gray area, we must think about the dilemma that is presented everyday. Ask the questions,such as, "Would I want this on the front page of the newspaper tomorrow?" before proceeding.
Maybe this would be a way to get on a current trend and get published. "The Ethical Dilemma for the medical community attempting to treat Morgellons", (and/or even Lyme) since the LLMD gets shut down for too many antibiotic scripts.
Doctors also face discipline to their boards if they do something outside of the standard. No doctor wants this!!
I am in a business program, but I know the ethical dilemma with the genetics, science, etc. Is also very big in those programs and "seemingly" more closely related to Morgellons.
After all, we do not know if this is a medical phenomenon, a political/governmental scheme, a financial/pharmaceutical scheme, ALL3??.. or a huge blunder.. is there government involvment.. and if there is monetary reasons why this epidemic and others are spreading.
I will try to find out the name of a film I saw in my business ethics class. Showing the coux that was developed by Rockefeller, I think, that involved the "Oil on the Brain" etc. It really explained well the mastermind of this operation and how it came to be held by one family.
LOTs of unethical behavior and lots of justification.
sorry but these days my mind is pretty mushy and don't express myself as well as I once did.
I'm sorry you are still so ill. I can't believe you function so well mentally inspite of!! Good for you!
spec
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Post by skytrollguest on Sept 1, 2005 20:14:42 GMT -5
I look at each day as a new day! I am trying to put it in a way that I will not trash any government entity, but will ask questions that need to be asked. That Rockefeller thing does intrigue me though, because the Rockefeller Institute has and is doing a lot of newer things now, for the good? I don't know. I hope so. I would like to see that film.
I am sort of taking a few angles like is this an emerging disease, a renewing of an old disease? Or the vaccines given years ago, are now causing the very diseases they were to prevent, need a section on vaccines, history of diseases similar to this, etc. then the govt. entities, NIH, USGA, FDA, DOE, DOD, etc and bioweapons, then the EPA and biocontrol, and bioremediation efforts that may actually be hurting us more. agricultural gmo's etc, spray planes, that to me is not normal at all, I have info on what is in them. dead microbiologists, did they know something? Did they genome something that got out of the lab? Who knows, some of this is speculation. I do have access to some Nature articles from that magazine, The Scientist, Biomed Central, Nano tech info, Both sides to present a scenario, or to help prove or disprove certain theories.
I would like scientists, doctors, biologists, microbiologists, nutritionists, nurses, hospital personnel, physicians assistants, local health dept officials, Congress, psychologists, psychitrists, since they treat us so much, All academia pertaining to health, medicine, pharma, physics, parasitologists, a lot of Academia, to prove me wrong, if I am wrong. I would like a wide audience, but, some I can put on internet, I have some connections to worldnetdaily, drudge reports, even msnbc is more open to a lot of this. I have pitched Fox news for many articles on this and I receive no response. I tried some mags. So, I do think a book that is hair raising at the beginning and a good title will bring them in. then break it down into different theories, some very factual, some not so much, I do not want to merely speculate. On some theories, I may, but, some are very factual, because the evidence, the studies, the drugs being used are valid. Delusional parasitosis is not a valid diagnosis of something that is factually on our skin, but, no tests are done. If one did a complete scan, I bet, one could see many things going on inside of us. The technology is there, but, for some reason it is not being used. All these things I want to put in.
I have pictures of bacteria, fungi, algae, of bugs, of parasites, of products that carry bacteria, bugs, nematodes in them, to put on products we eat. There are deformed foods, that have been altered at the seed level. There is so much info out there.
I want people to read it and think, to read it and talk to colleagues about it, I want people to take this disease seriously, without attacking all of the medical community, because, I do believe if most know about this and how contagious it is, they will want to do something about it. I will go into the suffering, the losses, the physical pain, the diagnosis that we are given, the dismissals by those educated in these matters, the failure of the CDC, even though now they are attempting to, the NIH and what has happened in the past, we can forgive them, especially if they will help us now and not send us off somewhere else. The HHS Dept. should be on top of this. We need to hold them accountable. Our health is at risk here, as is the health of medical personnel, teachers, and others around lots of people. skytroll
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