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Post by TonyM on Aug 15, 2005 20:52:28 GMT -5
Man, after reading that all....my brain is officially fried!!!!...LOLOL
That's funny, messaging yerself - HAHAHAHA!!!!!!
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Post by Tara on Aug 16, 2005 3:40:36 GMT -5
Skytroll I could not agree with you any more on getting this out I have sent e-mails and letters out to my state senator and health Dept and I am in the middel of writing to all the news channels out here in Vegas next letter I am writing don't know if he ( the president) will ever get it but maybe someone the in the white house will get the letter and be able to put it in the right direction. In fact I was thinking a shot in the dark what do you think about some kind of paper with peoples names and issues and location getting as many as possible to show that this is not just a simple health issue at hand that can be over looked that this is and will eventualy take over peoples health as well as products we grow and so forth. Also the fact that if people are getting so sick they can't work and this is going to probably pass to others( I think maybe I am wrong ) faster then AIDS did. So to point that out to someone up as high as we can get just might get someone on the ball and get the proper attention on this matter. worse case maybe send a little bug in the mail to show them, First let them know there is one in the envelop Yehaaaaaa see how fast they open that bad boy bet ya they wont. No I wont do that knowing them they would lock me up and throw away the key.
Yeah I'll be honest and say I get depressed and worried sometimes ok ok well everytime I have to step out in the world looking like such crap. But for the most part I am teed like noe one could believe I had to watch my cat suffer till I had to put her down after seeing how what ever was eating her insides and exposeing to me her bones. I look at my 2 year old and my 9 year old and get teed off that they may have this or get this and then what will happen to them.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO those pesky varments
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Post by adapted on Aug 16, 2005 6:33:23 GMT -5
May I respectfully interject that it seems we aren't taking into consideration that while we share so many distinct similarities, that the course and the severity of symptoms may be an individual thing that could depend upon the overall state of one's general health?
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Post by skytroll on Aug 16, 2005 10:28:53 GMT -5
Anyone read Tom Bearden's report? This explains a lot. I can tell you up front, it is long reading, it is why the NIH will not help us, and it is why we have chemtrails. There are answers. The whole scientific community and medical communities need to get honest, folks. Zero point gravity. www.cheniere.org/articles/Yakuza%20threat%20including%20tsunamis%20-%20final%20w%20edits%201%20website%20a.docmycoplasmas, but there are answers to this. Keep hope alive and as John Wayne told Barbara Walters about being the first top woman anchor of news. "Don't let the b.........ds get you down." Don't let this scare you, but, I think if we really want to get well, one has to counter this with electrical magnetic force. It is not doomsday unless we let it. Fight, fight, fight.................There has got to be some smart folks out there, we just have to find them. Skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Aug 17, 2005 10:55:38 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I have read through Bearden's report and what he says makes a lot of sense. If you go to the report, you will see on pg 33-44 why the NIH will not help us, scientistists refuse to believe this, but please do consider that the French troops who were not given vaccinations of any kind in the FIRST Gulf War in 1991, did not get Gulf War Syndrome. The French, even though the media has demanded that we dislike them, have the answers. Get the anger of them not going to war this time out of your systems and listen. We know why they refused to go this time. They are not stupid. They do know science. They have both schools of science, Pasteur and Bechamp, however Bechamp's ideas were put under the rug. Pasteur stole his idea of pleomorphs. It derserves attention now, if we are to heal. Mollicutes are being studied as another name for mycoplasmas. Put in search engine and look what you'll find. here is an example: roadback.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/education.display/display_id/106.htmlWe need to go back to many things. I do believe there are folks out there actually looking at this, but, need to be secure in many ways. I will keep on digging. Bearden explains how many diseases, many pathogens can walk right into a spread immune system and those with it can be contagious. So we may be contagious. I think a letter to the President, the VP, Hastert and Frisk is in order here and I mean we need to be very forceful. Maybe, Kerry can help us after all. Maybe, Gore can. Maybe McCain can. Maybe, the young fellow running for democrat seat in Congress who was an Iraqi War II survivor can shed more light on this. He survived, even though he was given all those vaccinations. That reporter who died over there of Deep Vein Thrombosis (Bloom) was given vaccinations. We need to hold this government accountable. The NIH, The MIC, The TIGER(genoming program and cloning program of insects, bacteria, plant pathogens etc), Academia, this president, other presidents, especially president of 1,000 lights. Need I say more. Incidently, JFK knew about the zero point gravity, the energy from the vacuum, and knew it could heal people and wanted the general public to be aware of it. Need I say more. There is history to this, and if we do not look at history, we will only repeat. Go back to the founding fathers, a lot of French philosophy was discussed when the Declaration of Independence was written, when the Constitution was written, and when the Bill of Rights were written. Must we always bash them? Closed minds never did a d.....m thing, only perpetuate the complacency in a population. If thinking is needed, plus taking the road back a little bit, to gather information that was put under the rug, like so much dirt, discarded and not used to heal people, then think, act, demand answers is what is needed. I have one life to live and I will not go down that dark road of insanity. Skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Aug 17, 2005 11:48:19 GMT -5
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Post by skytroll on Aug 17, 2005 11:54:21 GMT -5
Protists versus protits( of which Bechamp talked about) I guess it depends on if you believe in evolution or natural design. skytroll ps. www.euamericanhealth.com
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Post by skytroll on Aug 17, 2005 11:57:21 GMT -5
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Post by skytroll on Aug 17, 2005 12:00:34 GMT -5
Do I have enough for a book or not?
Skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Aug 17, 2005 13:52:49 GMT -5
Please go to Mgellorrorism Event Thread, I put a flyer together. Made a copy and will start posting it places. I am not afraid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God is my Pilot.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so sick of hurting. My back is a mess and do not know what to do for it, but, put heating pad on it. With a sprained ankle and feet itching, I am just getting by sometimes. I am so glad for these boards. You fire me up!!!!!!!! Skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Aug 17, 2005 19:15:19 GMT -5
What shall I title my book on Morgellons. Anyone have a funny to put in it?
skytroll
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Post by rickndebby on Aug 17, 2005 21:34:12 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you should title your book but I do wonder if the publishers will want to sell it as fact or fiction.......Selling it as we know it to be factual might just be the start of public awareness........So get with it....Thanks for all of your posts Skytroll....Rick of rickndebby
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Post by Betsy on Aug 17, 2005 22:21:53 GMT -5
I think we need a lab where samples can be sent and tests performed to determine what we are dealing with. Perhaps there could be a way to keep the fees for sending samples in a modest range we could afford.
Because many of us see a wide or differing variety of environmental specks and fibers, there should be an open attitude that encourages participation even if a sample turns out to be nonproductive. After all, in the Oklahoma study 2000, it was first thought 18 out of 20 participants only had extra debris on their skin. It took a second and more powerfully detailed look to determine collembolla (sp).
I think a research lab (getting scientists involved ) is a very important need. This disease or condition has not yet been scientifically identified. There are few if any ways of testing a patient for Morgellons (which most doctors have never heard of any way). I understand that fibers from an active lesion can be cultured for identification. However, there are probably no more than 1-5 doctors in the US who have ever cultured fibers. I think Dr. Schwartz has done this. I don't know if anyone else has. Another possible ID marker is testing positive for Lyme. I also think sputum (sp) can be culturesd for S. maltophilia bacteria. We need more tests.
Since crawling sensations can't be seen or felt by doctors, nor can they test or measure them, it is much simplier to assume the patient has a psychological problem. And, in the case of many sufferers, after so much stress of suffering, there can develop some emotional and psychological fixations that parallel or even overlap psychological disorders.
To avoid this misdiagnosis, we need research to identify the "bugs" and develop lab tests to assist doctors in making a diagnosis. Once a valid body of information is developed, it needs to be spread out into the medical community as quickly as possible including research and teaching hospitals.
Meanwhile, we need help and answers for all who suffer now. That seems to be what Dr. Schwartz and nurse Savely are both independently working to accomplish. I think there is a great need for more doctors and nurses to join them. I also think it is essential that information on patient cases can be shared by doctors, nurses and researchers in order to more quickly create a body of knowledge about this condition. Similarities, differences, successes as well as failures could all be tracked to help create a profile.
Lastly, we need to attract a wealthy benefactor. Perhaps we need a skilled writer within the Morgellons Foundation to present a dignified and compelling overview of the hithertofore unidentified disease. W e then need a PR liason to help us reach celebrities and other likely donors. Money talks. Attracting one celebrity could provide tremendous help.
Another possibility is applying for a research grant (if our overextended federal government has any funds still left).
Meanwhile, I love what you are doing on this strand, listing all the possible ideas, etc. Keep up your fine work. I'm sure everyone appreciates your leadership. Betsy
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Post by rickndebby on Aug 17, 2005 23:06:19 GMT -5
Dear Betsy, You hit the nail directly on the head...Sending samples to different labs in some ways sounds like the thing to do....however if we could get with 1 lab that will look at all the samples in the same way... just maybe this is the way to go...It also seems to me that the need for certain protocals to be established as far as what this " disease " isn't...Since mainstream medicine won't recognize this as a non-delusional problem then maybe the need to identify what it IS NOT should be started...God Bless Dr. Schwartz and Nurse Savely for having open minds and actually realizing that it's real and not delusionary.....I don't wish for anyone to aquire this but unfortunately it will probably take a celebrity or some famous person to get the ball rolling as far as jump starting research.....A government grant sounds nice but the government seems to think that we are all delusionary...Betsy you are right about what this web site has done....It provides hope for those who desperately need to believe that help will be on the way......We hope and pray everyday...but most importantly we believe that help WILL come....We have to keep a positive mindset....Thanks ...Rick of rickndebby
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Post by Betsy on Aug 17, 2005 23:48:27 GMT -5
I certainly wish we had a way to analyse the air inside our apartments and homes. Mine was so bad I had to fle to a hotel for several months. I'm still there trying to rehabilitate the home environment.
I wonder if we could get some testing going for indoor air if enough people agree that we have a problem with indoor air. I keep much of my body covered when returning to the apartment due to things in the air that ping against my skin. The face gets it no matter what. Betsy
P.S. I wrote a long entry earlier but must have hit the wrong button because it disappeared from the postings.
I like the way you are listing symptoms and trying to reason out the data we have. My homeopathic practioner thinks this thing is weird. Sometimes he picks up parasite, sometimes bacteria, sometimes toxins, sometimes yeast and sometimes combinations of two together. He thinks it switches somehow. He certainly doesn't rule out a bioengineered or modified bug/s. Betsy
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Post by Betsy on Aug 17, 2005 23:52:14 GMT -5
oops--just found my long entry and the nice response immediately below it.--Thanks Betsy
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Post by Orion*** on Aug 18, 2005 2:11:06 GMT -5
What an excellent link on latent acidosis. These morgellons do like a poluted acid environment. The more trash, the better it grows>>>>take heed.
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Post by Spec on Aug 18, 2005 7:27:01 GMT -5
I would think that there would be a graduate student iinterested in conducting a study on this disease as a thesis.
The college itself would have to be open to the idea though, because the college must approve the thesis, and if they don't like what a student proposed well, they can go suck an egg.
spec
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Post by Anony Annie on Aug 18, 2005 9:05:06 GMT -5
After all, in the Oklahoma study 2000, it was first thought 18 out of 20 participants only had extra debris on their skin. It took a second and more powerfully detailed look to determine collembolla (sp). Hi Betsy, Thats not true. The first look found nothing, not debris. And it was not a more powerfully detailed look, but a computer-enhanced look, to find "evidence" of collembola, not actual collebola. Loves, Annie
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Post by QuestionHair1 on Aug 18, 2005 10:00:15 GMT -5
It is good to read the report directly - where there are pictures, statistics, information on how the information was gathered, the conclusion, etc: www.headlice.org/report/research/jnyes.pdf(Note: this is a pdf file - opens with Adobe Acrobat) or, go to the NPA site to access it directly. QH
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