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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 19, 2012 15:33:41 GMT -5
Thanks Dianna. Sorry that you have this too.
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 19, 2012 9:37:10 GMT -5
Did not know where to post this ( again another interesting)article. NANOTECHNOLOGY: IS IT IN NEED FOR A PARADIGM SHIFT? tinyurl.com/7fsty57
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 17, 2012 18:04:44 GMT -5
It sure is. I have emailed it to dr. Willem Vloten too ;D
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 17, 2012 17:44:19 GMT -5
Screw those wankers. This is Elizabeth Rasmussen explaining how they "diagnose". Those "professionals" need professional help ( Perhaps some of you already know this presentation.) www.thecehf.org/debunking-dop.html
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 16, 2012 18:06:45 GMT -5
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 13, 2012 14:23:10 GMT -5
Hi Lynn. If your amalgams are oke and not bother you, don't replace them. I know mercury is very toxic, but mercury is bound in the other metals and don't "leak" as hard as the plastics. The danger from the uncured plastics ( resins) is their viscosity. This makes it very sensitive for accidents. If you need treatment with these kind of materials ask your dentist for a rubber dam. Not sure if this will protect in case of root canal fillings. The bone cements are also composites made of similar ingredients, and also leak particles into the body. Did you had the hip replacement before or after the fillings? I have noticed that lots of sufferers had some kind of orthopedic surgery. ( spinal, joints, bones, knees etc.) I have seen microscopic pictures from bone cements and the fibers/particles that leaks out, look very familiar..... Something else... I have read some DOP literature/ cases. I wonder if this really ever exist and if those cases weren't actually Morgies...We all know how easily doctors give their "diagnose". The first literature I could find was from 1946. Acrylates/ plastics are on the market since 1938. What if they are wrong for all that time? The cases all had skin issues.....These poor people may have been diagnosed with DOP, while something completly different was going on.
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 11, 2012 16:56:19 GMT -5
Hi pdidit.
No, I found this picture on the internet. Your picture reminded me of fungus or spores that I've seen on pine trees. As a child ( 100 years ago ;D) we use to go camping a lot and hang out in the forest. The pictures that Toni posted from the jelly fungus look a lot of what I've seen on the trees.
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 11, 2012 14:44:38 GMT -5
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 11, 2012 11:03:56 GMT -5
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 9, 2012 15:26:01 GMT -5
Hi Ibzahp. I can imagen that you don't want to give this up, and you shouldn't. Morgellons has stolen enough from us....Just be carefull. Perhaps you can protect your hands with latex gloves?
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 9, 2012 4:21:43 GMT -5
Hi 22122. Long time no see. How you doing? The point about the dental materials is that a lot of "accidents" happended and I believe that this is the thing that has to be covered up to avoid lawsuits against dentists and/or FDA( they are the one that allow/forbid what is on the market) The plastic ( nano) materials are all in a liquid state before curing and therefor sensitive for accidents in case of inaccuracy. ( using syrenge instead of microbrushes.) The uncured materials are highly volatile ( solvents, which CDC ignored in their so called crap study) ; a syringe can easely get clogged. When a filling, roothcanalfilling, crowns, brackets etc. is done in a proper way people won't get sick, tho lot of people have allergies for the plastic materials; 20% to plastics against 1% to amalgams. It is always better to do a biocompatible/allergie test to rule out the bad ones. But there is more to it. When I started to read and learn about these materials and the fiber plague I have noticed that some sufferers also have implants ( artificial joints, titanium pins, breast/testicles implants etc.) Silicone implants/packaging "sweat" particles. Joints and pins are mostly screwed and glued in/on to the bones. The glues ( bonecements) leak (nano)particles into the body for years, so in case of a dental "accident" on top of that, you are screwed ( glued is a better word) Morgies really need to stay away from acrylics/acrylates/solvents because I believe it can trigger the whole thing again and again and again. I hope I make some sense with my kindergarten English? ;D tinyurl.com/7qweohkpfff,I'm in modify mode www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22192249Dent Mater. 2012 Jan;28(1):23-40. doi: 10.1016/j.dental.2011.08.595. Predicting clinical biological responses to dental materials. Wataha JC. SourceDepartment of Restorative Dentistry, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195-7456, United States. jwataha@u.washington.edu Abstract OBJECTIVES: Methods used to measure and predict clinical biological responses to dental materials remain controversial, confusing, and to some extent, unsuccessful. The current paper reviews significant issues surrounding how we assess the biological safety of materials, with a historical summary and critical look at the biocompatibility literature. The review frames these issues from a U.S. perspective to some degree, but emphasizes their global nature and universal importance. METHODS: The PubMed database and information from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, International Standards Organization, and American National Standards Institute were searched for prominent literature addressing the definition of biocompatibility, types of biological tests employed, regulatory and standardization issues, and how biological tests are used together to establish the biological safety of materials. The search encompassed articles published in English from approximately 1965-2011. The review does not comprehensively review the literature, but highlights significant issues that confront the field. RESULTS: Years ago, tests for biological safety sought to establish material inertness as the measure of safety, a criterion that is now deemed naive; the definition of biocompatibility has broadened along with the roles for materials in patient oral health care. Controversies persist about how in vitro or animal tests should be used to evaluate the biological safety of materials for clinical use. Controlled clinical trials remain the single best measure of the clinical response to materials, but even these tests have significant limitations and are less useful to identify mechanisms that shape material performance. Practice-based research networks and practitioner databases are emerging as important supplements to controlled clinical trials, but their final utility remains to be determined. SIGNIFICANCE: Today we ask materials to play increasingly sophisticated structural and therapeutic roles in patient treatment. To accommodate these roles, strategies to assess, predict, and monitor material safety need to evolve. This evolution will be driven not only by researchers and manufacturers, but also by patients and practitioners, who want to use novel materials in new ways to treat oral disease. Copyright © 2011 Academy of Dental Materials. Published by Elsevier Ltd. All rights reserved. PMID: 22192249 [PubMed - in process]
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 8, 2012 3:46:44 GMT -5
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 5, 2012 11:16:18 GMT -5
Hi Toni.
This was exactly what I meant earlier about the doctor. I know ( my experience with the dental materials) that he is right, but that he is making lots of money over sufferers misery. There is nothing wrong with making money, but not like this. Beside that, there have to be more causes. I think dental materials are just one of many. But......perhaps this news will have a snowball effect in the medical world. Let us hope so.
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 4, 2012 17:45:24 GMT -5
Thank you , Simone
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 2, 2012 5:08:46 GMT -5
Can someone post a link to the show please? Thank you
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 1, 2012 14:01:14 GMT -5
You know, I always wish the best for all people, but I hope these idiots will have their piece of Morgellons some day. Wonder what they will say then...... If I did not have toothache I would help Toni to chew their pissing heads of. Cliff and Jan, you go for it tonight. Elizabeth et al ;D
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Post by elizabeth67 on Feb 1, 2012 4:31:50 GMT -5
Well said, Cliff. I don't get this. The study says this: Also,we found that over 75% of case-patients reported some exposure to solvents during hobbies. The prevalence of such exposures in the general population is unknown and we did not gather specific information regarding the types and duration of solvent exposures. WHY NOT ?!! And why didn't they looked in to peoples dental records. There is plenty of information to find.... tinyurl.com/6mjl2eotinyurl.com/7uwyfe9emedicine.medscape.com/article/1175276-overviewI am so P.O.
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Post by elizabeth67 on Jan 31, 2012 5:11:37 GMT -5
Hi Ibzahp. I think sufferers have to be very carefull with acrylates/acrylics. I use to be creative, loved to work with polymer clay (fimo) untill I saw something happening when I forgot to clean up a plastic bowl. After a couple of days the clay melted a hole in the plastic bowl. That can't be healthy....
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Post by elizabeth67 on Jan 30, 2012 5:23:19 GMT -5
Hi Sage It definitly was the trigger for my symptones, but I also believe there is more to it. There is a lot going on in Europa/ The Netherlands at the moment about injectables. ( permanent wrinkle fillers i.e. Bio-Alcamid and Derma Live) They are forbidden in the US for a couple of years, but they still are being used in Europa. I don't have them, but I was wondering if victims also have fibers coming out of their skin or if this was ever checked. I am also wondering how many dental workers, orthopedic surgeons, nail stylist etc. are suffering from Morgellons. ( We really have to change that name; I hate it )
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Post by elizabeth67 on Jan 30, 2012 3:41:40 GMT -5
Hi Lynn.
Silica is one of the many additives . The dental plastics are mostly acrylates. Your filling should not feel like rubber. My front teeth also feel rubbery. Like there is an elastic film on them.( all my teeth feel like that after the spill, the oral mucosa/ palate also) Did you ever had the feeling you've swallowed a rubber band? My mouth had a lot of sores also. Every time something happens to my teeth/ fillings ( small pieces breaking ) my mouth becomes painful with sores and the fibers comes out. I know exactly what is happening ( crazing) , but Í have troubles to explain in English. I have a feeling that lots of dentists have "accidents". They won't tell you if they do/did. If my dentist did not react the way he did back then, I probably never knew what came over me. You also have bone cements ( joint replacement) or did they only use screws? These dental, medical and cosmetic acrylates are harmful. I wonder if CDC did a research on that. They should have looked into sufferers dental records. Their research is a farce/ cover up. Perhaps we could do a poll, asking sufferers if they have been in contact with materials like this, because I truly believe they have a lot to do with it.
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